iluvxtina
Underboss
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Spain
 | | 11/23/2006 10:26 AM |
| my favourite piece in BW is elf warmage.I do not mind she is not tier 1 or not competitive,I will play her because I like her a lot.Which pieces could help her?I think inspiring marshall is a must but my doubt is: the rest of my warband must to be "all hitters" (like rikka,kord,berserk....) or i can add more tech (like spellscale I love it).Thank you for your help | |
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calvar
Warrior
226 Posts
| | 11/23/2006 10:46 AM |
| | I think you must include Storm in order to take her to CG. | |
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814 Posts
Myrtle Beach, SC
| | 11/23/2006 12:44 PM |
| | Good thing she is awesome with Storm or it might be a problem. | |
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Faragdar the Wise
Commander
3547 Posts
Albuquerque, NM, USA
| | 11/23/2006 4:36 PM |
| Posted By calvar on 11/23/2006 10:46 AM
I think you must include Storm in order to take her to CG. Yup, because she's an LG piece.
She's an interesting but difficult piece to use. Her spells are awesome, but they're all effective at short range. That makes it tough to get the most out of her spells. It might seem strange, but I think she needs a bodyguard. The Dragonmark Heir of Deneith works nicely (and can be pulled into CG, too, if you go with Storm CG). It means probably not using the ring of blades spell, which goes against most people's impulse, but I just don't think ring of blades is worth the trouble against most of the toughest bands out there. With a bodyguard, though, she likely gets a chance to use several spells, instead of one or two, which are brutal even if you get in her face (maximized shocking grasp). | |
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iluvxtina
Underboss
1501 Posts
Spain
| | 11/24/2006 12:21 AM |
| | I was thinking a bout a CG warband with gnome trickster making unseen both storm and warmage.The unseen warmage can do her empowered ring of blades without loosing unseen (causing huge damage without risk) and storm can gain 10 hp every turn with one cast of Call lightning spell.Sounds interesting for me | |
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tundrin
Sergeant
424 Posts
Randolph, NJ
| | 11/24/2006 4:56 AM |
| | Casting a spell will end the invisibility.
If she casts it before becoming invisible, then that is ok, which is a nice strategy - cast blades, make her invisible, then put her next to a target. When he activates to attack her, he takes damage, then even if he hits, he has to pass conceal 11. Then if he moves away, dont take an aoo, just double move to get next to him again. When he gets low enough in HP, use the shocking graps - come out of invisible, but he will still ake damage when he tries to hit her again, or move away.
I have also played aainst people hat maximize th ring of blades. that way you can get the extra 10 damage multiple times if you are lucky. Depends on who you are facing. | |
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iluvxtina
Underboss
1501 Posts
Spain
| | 11/24/2006 5:03 AM |
| Exactly.You have said it.Maybe not a tournament winner strategy but....sounds interesting at least,uh?An empowered ring of blades/unseen warmage can be strong.Even if you can hit her one time,you will have to face the same problem again and again and when she cast shocking grasp,probably you are dead.And more...much more.I have heard unseen archmage? | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
| | 11/24/2006 5:57 AM |
| One question to ask when considering her (in LG, in particular) is, when will she be a better piece in a band than a Couatl would have been?
I'm glad that she's 8th level, because she'll be making a morale check at some point, and it might be before she's gotten off as many spells as you'd like. I was thinking that giving her Conceal 6 might be advantageous, but it is a bit expensive to do this in LG. In CG, it's a little easier, but then you have to have Storm in the band, and that's even more expensive.
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greyhaze
Warlord
7716 Posts
| | 11/24/2006 6:35 AM |
| Posted By tundrin on 11/24/2006 4:56 AM
Casting a spell will end the invisibility. If she casts it before becoming invisible, then that is ok, which is a nice strategy - cast blades, make her invisible, then put her next to a target.
Imagine this with 3 Elf Warmages, and maybe 1 or 2 figs to block against Blindsight/Blind-fight opponents. Could be devistating.
Does it fit? Hmm...
Storm 57pts
Elf Warmage 42pts
Elf Warmage 42pts
Gnome Trickster 27pts
32pts remaining, tempting to put in Medium Copper for that slow activation cone... so tempting... but only 5 activations would really hurt.
only 2 maximized warmages with rings (40 dmg potential just for opponent activating)...
Small Copper is okay at 15pts
Hunting Cougar (awesome invisible tile grabber), Or Arcanix Guard as blocker
Sage 5pts (20hps fearless blocker)
Xeph Warrior 3pts (tile grabber) or Man At Arms 3pts (both die in 1 hit, one is faster, the other becomes fearless and can't be chased off...)
8 Activations, 200pts.
Storm 57pts
Elf Warmage 42pts
Elf Warmage 42pts
Gnome Trickster 27pts
Small Copper 15pts
Hunting Cougar 9pts
Sage 5pts
Man At Arms 3pts
Still doesn't address the "if my opponent has blind-sight, I'm pooched" part, but not too shabby. | |
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kumaiti
Warrior
201 Posts
Moscow - Russia
| | 11/24/2006 12:49 PM |
| only 2 maximized warmages with rings (40 dmg potential just for opponent activating)...
I have seen a lot of people consider this strategy, but I've read somewhere that you can't stack Ring of Blades when a creature activates adjacent to 2 casters with it.
Does anyone know the final answer on that? Does the Ring of Blades stack? | |
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Ryoga
Underboss
1124 Posts
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 11/24/2006 2:10 PM |
| The spell need to say that stack with them self, like Mordy's Swords that say "Stack". because Ring of Blades dont say that, they dont stake with other Ring of Blades. The idea to put 2 Elf Warmage only work to increase Empowered Ring of blades area, 2 Warelfmages can theath about 16 squares. invisible Elf warmages sounds good, but my Hellcat will hit that elf too much.  | |
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Faragdar the Wise
Commander
3547 Posts
Albuquerque, NM, USA
| | 11/24/2006 2:35 PM |
| Posted By kumaiti on 11/24/2006 12:49 PM
Does anyone know the final answer on that? Does the Ring of Blades stack? No. It's actually in the official FAQ. There's even a "ring of blades" section for the question.
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iluvxtina
Underboss
1501 Posts
Spain
| | 11/24/2006 11:24 PM |
| | even two ring of blades do not stack themselves,continue being a good idea for me | |
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Ryoga
Underboss
1124 Posts
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 11/25/2006 7:06 AM |
| | Yes is good idea, you amplify Ring of Blades area of effect. | |
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Ack
Underboss
1476 Posts
| | 11/25/2006 8:07 PM |
| IMO the way to get the elf warmage to work is in CG - where you can use big, mobile hitters to force the action where you want it - pieces like the Half-Ogre Barbarian, Wemic, Kord, Frenzied - these are all pieces that your oppenent will spend time to swing at over the warmage - and if they choose to spend the attacks at the elf punish them for it with your mighty swings.
Warmage needs MEAT in front of her - not more tech. Lots and Lots of meat. huge gobs of it. hulking mountains of meat. use her to suppliment the damage you can deal. and yeah - skip the Ring of Blades. and they dont stack in case there was any doubt remaining on that topic | |
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iluvxtina
Underboss
1501 Posts
Spain
| | 11/26/2006 12:21 AM |
| | the problem attacking titans with your empowered ring of blades is that the enemy needs to activate itself in order to receive the auto damage,probably making then a full attack to the mage.Ok,she is invisible with conceal 11 but even with this,there is a huge risk for her.Imagine a fire giant....only one of his swings will obliterate you and surely at least one of them will hit you.43 points to cause 20 damage to a giant?Better try to base as many enemy creatures you can to maximize your ring of blades and then cast shocking grasp on them.Is,at least 70 auto damage and without risk for the girl.Sounds better? | |
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Thenameless
Warlord
12507 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 11/26/2006 8:58 PM |
| | I would agree. It's probably better to use the ring of blades on lesser opponents. Injuring a titan means the titan still pumps out the same damage until it gets killed. Kills give you points, and can still remove crucial enemy tech/tile grabbing pieces. | |
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Janos M.
Underboss
1015 Posts
Hamburg / GErmany
| | 11/27/2006 12:07 AM |
| I think the Warmage is better in LG. With the high commander bonus from cheap commanders (Sword of Heironeus, Cleric of Order) you can get the map of your choice in most cases. Choose one where you can channel your opponents (magma Keep, Keep of Fallen Kings, Broken Demongate, Drow Outpost). Include some ranged units or high-range casters and fill the rest with beaters.
Like:
Cleric of Order 24
Elf Warmage 42
Arcane Ballista 48
WarWeaver 33
Arcadian Hippogriff 37
Standard Bearer 10
2x Human Commoner 6
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Sword of Heironeus 29
Elf Warmage 42
Justice Archon 32
Justice Archon 32
Tordek, Dwarf Champion 59
2x Human Commoner 6
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iluvxtina
Underboss
1501 Posts
Spain
| | 11/27/2006 1:43 AM |
| | That is my doubt:which faction choose?LG or CG for my warmage?The original idea is making her invisible so I,ll go first for CG .But since you can only do that via silverhand (Not sure about tier 1),maybe you are right and she is much more useful in LG.I have to test her.Please!BW in europe!! | |
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