Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
    
United States
 | | 01/03/2007 6:58 AM |
| Okay, everyone, it seems, is talking LE Quad. So, let's break out the bands. Some of you may not feel like revealing all your secrets, and that's fine, but there are enough of us that see others playing that we can always be bribed.Â
I don't play LE very much, so I don't have a favorite LE quad. But, if I were to play one today, it would probably look like this:
Large Green Dragon 51
Helmed Horror 45
Zakya Rakshasa 36
Duergar Champion 33
Half-Orc Fighter 21
Timber Wolf 5
Azer Raider 5
Dire Rat 4
(I'm going from memory on the points here, if any of them are wrong, I'd have to change up the fodder.)
I am not, however, such a big fan of low command ratings, so, I might swap the Half-Orc Fighter for Urthok and swap the Helmed Horror for another Duergar Champion (and tweak a piece of fodder).
Dave | |
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Autoxdsm
Sergeant
814 Posts
Myrtle Beach, SC
| | 01/03/2007 8:13 AM |
| I don't play LE much anymore but I have used a few different warbands and few really common ones.
Urthok 34
Mezzoloth 44
Mezzoloth 44
Duergar Champion 33
Duergar Champion 33
Greenspawn Sneak 6
Goblin Skirmisher 3
Goblin Skirmisher 3
200/8
I like this one when I am feeling different. I can cloadkill into my own Duergar Champions and other Mezzoloths pretty good damage and maneuverability.
Half Orc Fighter 21
Helmed Horror 45
Helmed Horror 45
Maug 41
Maug 41
Kolblad Miner 3
Kolblab Miner 3
199/7
another different one but not as good. Still that is a lot of fearless hp.
When I want to be normal i will go with:
Half orc Fighter 21
Duegar Champion 33
Duegar Champion 33
Duegar Champion 33
Duegar Champion 33
Zayka Rakashasa 36
+Fodder
^LE Quint
Half Orc Fighter 21
Helmed Horrors x2 90
Duergar Champion 33
Zayka Rakashasa 36
+Fodder
These two are pretty typical/bland LE quads but very effective.
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Ryoga
Underboss
1124 Posts
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 01/03/2007 8:46 AM |
| Penta-Hammer of Course:
5x Duergar Champ
Hobgoblin Sargent
Fodders
Large Green Dragon
4x SoulKnife Infiltrator
Inspired L
Fodders
Orog Warlord
3x Chraals
Dark Moon
Fodders
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Longbow
Warrior
236 Posts
| | 01/03/2007 12:33 PM |
| I like the double Mezzoloth/Duergar-band and the Large Green Dragon with Soulknifes and Inspired Lt., really cool. The fearless Maug/HH is also great. You could even replace the HOF with a Kobold Sorceror in that one.
I still like one Chraal in every LE quad (speed 8, cone deathburst, lot of hitpoints).
Human Blackguard 46
Zak Rak 36
Chraal 35
2 x Duergar Champ 66
2 x Greenspawn Sneak 12
Blue 5
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SYB
Warrior
328 Posts
| | 01/03/2007 12:56 PM |
| I usually lead my LE quads with a Rakshasa, but the Red Hand War Sorcerer is so good that I am thinking about switching him in to the driver's seat. It basically requires using a bodyguard, but the Dragonmark's stats are good enough that he is actually a surprisingly good hitter in a pinch.
Tempting:
Red Hand War Sorcerer 34
Dragonmark Heir of Deneith 34
Duergar Champion x4 132
200pts - 6 activations
More likely:
Red Hand War Sorcerer 34
Dragonmark Heir of Deneith 34
Large Green Dragon 51
Zakya Rakshasa 36
Duergar Champion 33
12 pts of fodder
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
United States
| | 01/03/2007 1:01 PM |
| So, what does everyone think? Is one of these LE bands with three hitters and a bodyguard a "quad"? And, are the quint-hitter bands (of which my favorite is Duergar Champ x5 + Urthok), really "quad" bands?
Also, I'm thinking that it would be contructive to make some lists of LE quad bands by commander. Urthok Quad, Rakshasa Quad, etc.
Dave | |
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 01/03/2007 1:29 PM |
| | I think the heir counts as a hitter, sure. She has a potential 40 points of damage output, after all. | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3930 Posts
USA
| | 01/03/2007 3:05 PM |
| My favorite Quad LE warbands are too numerous to count.Â
But here are a few I kinda like:
Human Blackguard
x2 DC
Efreeti
Chraal
filler (usually a T Wolf & x2 Warrior Skellys)
Urthok
DC
DC
DC
DC
Green Dragon
x2 Goblin Skirmishers
Rakshasa
DC
DC
DC
Zakya Rakshasa
Snig
x3 Sniglets
Dire Rat
Dark Naga
Gauth
DC
DC
DC
Snig + x3 Sniglets (optionally x3 Kobold Zombies + x3 Goblin Skirmishers)
Ogre Mage (who cares if he gets snuffed, get off the Sleep & Cone and see what happens)
HH
HH
HH
Dark Moon Monk
x2 Warrior Skeletons
A nice variety to play around with. And I have not even gotten around to figuring out how to best make use of the new pieces.Â
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Knight of the Rahshasa's
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greyhaze
Warlord
6879 Posts
| | 01/03/2007 4:16 PM |
| The LE Quad I've had been enjoying was pretty similar to the OPs...
Urthok
Large Green Dragon
Zakya
Duergar Champ
Bloodghost
Greenspawn Sneak
Warrior Skeleton
But I found the Bloodghost to be more of a liability, so now I'm considering the Chraal or Dragonmark. | |
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Called Shots: Frost Giant in Dangerous Delves. | |
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djtool
Sergeant
584 Posts
Crystal MN, USA
| | 01/03/2007 5:38 PM |
| I haven't played a quad in forever. but I've been meaning to play the following for fun:
red hand sorcerer x 2
duergar champ x 4
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Lord_rock
Underboss
2019 Posts
Portland OR
| | 01/03/2007 6:40 PM |
| My new favorite is
Inspired Lt
HH
Maug
soulknife
soulknife
darkmoon
greenspawn sneak or 2x kobold miners
HH flanks for maug and can set up the double sneaking, smiting, flanking, charge of +16 for 30 from the soulknifes... sidestep out next round after two atts and do it again with the other one... dire bear down in 2 rounds! Lovely
You can sub out the maug and inspired Lt for urthok and green dragon too... that works very well as well... SYB has the right idea to start for me...
I think the bodygaurd is interesting... want to try it out in "qaud" but don't know how yet
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Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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djtool
Sergeant
584 Posts
Crystal MN, USA
| | 01/03/2007 9:11 PM |
| I think the inspired lt. is the best commander to run the bodyguard with. Her biggest flaw has been her desire to get into melee vs. her survivability. The bodyguard just oozes synergy with hostile empathetic transfer, receives a nice commander effect, and is the same speed. I've found recall agony to be extremely useful. I was using two LGD's with those two instead of a quad, but i'm sure it doesn't effect the dynamic between them. The couple of times I didn't end up on the lizard-pit map they proved very effective in combat (mind you I had the flanking bonus from the LGD'S as well).
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MAURIZIO
Sergeant
951 Posts
Lima, Perú
| | 01/03/2007 10:48 PM |
| IL
DC x4
fodders
or
HOF
DC x5 | |
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Low Key
Underboss
1231 Posts
| | 01/04/2007 11:34 PM |
| I've always likeh the core of;
Duergar Champ
Duergar Champ
Efreeti
Chraal
Sure, its a little outdated these days, but back in the day it gave nice balance to your warband. You got cones, blockers, cleave, auto damage from range, flying, conceal...etc. | |
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froffenhoffer
Sergeant
702 Posts
| | 01/05/2007 6:31 AM |
| I like:
Efreeti,
Horror,
Gauth,
Naga
Fodder, though the naga is only a hitter if you play him aggro.
Or this band with did vey well:
DC
DC
Efreeti
HH
Rakshasa
KM
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Phantom77
Skirmisher
12 Posts
| | 01/05/2007 10:20 AM |
| Urthok
Hook Horror
DCx2
Chraal
Dolguant Monk
Greenspawn Sneakx2 | | | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
2019 Posts
Portland OR
| | 01/05/2007 5:36 PM |
| | fun to see the hook horror out there... I loved my dual hook horror band back in abberation days... | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
United States
| | 01/05/2007 6:41 PM |
| Posted By froffenhoffer on 01/05/2007 6:31 AM
I like:
Efreeti,
Horror,
Gauth,
Naga
Fodder, though the naga is only a hitter if you play him aggro.
Really?
Dave | |
Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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Wraithborne
Commander
4461 Posts
The Red Light District
| | 01/06/2007 7:18 PM |
| 4x DC
Urthok
Snig
Sniglet x3
Acheron Goblin
Greenspawn
199/11
Or, for super crazy activation control, swap Urthok for the Grim Necromancer. Morale is a bit dicey, but 13 Activations.
There are so many good Quads....Hard to choose a fave...
As for the Quint
Half Orc Fighter
DC x3
Zak Rak
Chrall
TWolf
Dire Rat | |
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Myth Master Jr
Sergeant
418 Posts
| | 01/07/2007 6:32 PM |
| Are you guys still playing these bands and having success. I'm a huge LE Quad lover. That was all I used to play until WotDQ came out and everything seemed to shift a bit. Haven't played it in a while but have really been considering going back. Heres an old fave of mine:
Orog Warlord
2x Chraal
HH
Snig
Sniglets | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
6879 Posts
| | 01/07/2007 8:26 PM |
| | I'm tempted to go more titan these days with LE, but quad is always great. | |
Greyhaze's DDM Spoilers
Champion of a Medium Dog & then a Darkenbeast , Raistlin Majere, Nightmare WDQ25/60, Warduke WD60/60,
Anti-Champion of Guns, "Knight of Bugbears", and Joke Champion of Venger.
Called Shots: Frost Giant in Dangerous Delves. | |
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elder_basilisk
Sergeant
410 Posts
| | 01/07/2007 8:41 PM |
| For fun games:
Blackguard on Nightmare
4x Duergar Champ
For more traditional games:
Urthok
Chraal
Zakya Rakshasa
2x Duergar champs
Snig
Timber Wolf
warrior skeleton (because I've only got three goblin skirmishers)
And in the if I weren't short 60% of the figures:
Human Blackguard
4x Zakya Rakshasa
Dire rat
goblin skirmisher x2
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soloforst
Skirmisher
23 Posts
| | 01/08/2007 8:46 AM |
| Â Okey,I love LE very much.And I usually lead my LE quads with a Inspired Lieutenant.The IL is so good.
Greenspawn Sneak x3
Chraal x2
Duergar Champion x2
Inspired Lieutenantx1
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Ryoga
Underboss
1124 Posts
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 01/08/2007 9:08 AM |
| Posted By soloforst on 01/08/2007 8:46 AM Â Okey,I love LE very much.And I usually lead my LE quads with a Inspired Lieutenant.The IL is so good.
Greenspawn Sneak x3
Chraal x2
Duergar Champion x2
Inspired Lieutenantx1
Dave
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Dealing with new life... new country and life without DDM :(
Some day I will be back in board | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3930 Posts
USA
| | 01/08/2007 3:25 PM |
| Posted By soloforst on 01/08/2007 8:46 AM Â Okey,I love LE very much.And I usually lead my LE quads with a Inspired Lieutenant.The IL is so good.
Greenspawn Sneak x3
Chraal x2
Duergar Champion x2
Inspired Lieutenantx1
Dave
I don't think tying 2 Chraals to the IL is too bad of an idea. But for more energy damage variety how about:
IL
Chraal
x2 DC
Efreeti
Greenspawn
x2 Goblin Skirmishers
The Efreeti adds fire and ranged spell damage.Â
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Knight of the Rahshasa's
And Crusader of the Zakya, Ak'chazar, Naztharune, and Naityan Rakshasa's | |
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Nate_666
Sergeant
801 Posts
Midwest
| | 01/08/2007 3:30 PM |
| I always try to get 1 HH into my LE quads, 95 fearless HP, flight,
construct traits, and good damage vs most of the softer targets
that i would be sending him in to assassinate. If the other guy
decides to send in 1 or 2 hitters to deal with him then he has 3 of my
other hitters attacking more freely in the front lines.
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
United States
| | 01/09/2007 6:35 AM |
| I remember when Underdark came out and I thought that the Helmed Horror was basically this unbeatable piece. The designers were wise to not give it magic damage, and to make it cost 45 points (which I thought was cheap at the time).
I agree that the Helmed Horror needs to be considered in every LE Quad. It will often be abandoned for a lower-cost piece, but it has to be considered.
Dave | |
Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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iluvxtina
Underboss
1501 Posts
Spain
| | 01/09/2007 12:53 PM |
| | for me,the best LE creature is the helmed horror.In 200 points mode triple helmet works great.Even in epic mode this creature shines because its abilities.Duergar champion is the second one for me.And the third one is the chraal.oh,a question:nobody play gauth nowadays?I play it a lot and continue making differences (but not so useful like in the past,indeed). | |
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Nate_666
Sergeant
801 Posts
Midwest
| | 01/11/2007 1:32 PM |
| I went 3-0 in a local tourney last night with:
Urthok
Doogie x2
Efreeti
Helmed Horror
T-Wolf
Dekanter Goblin
kobold miner
The goblin was there for his regen 5 while camping in a VA so that he would be hard to kill, it was a trial with him but it went fairly well, opponents always had to put some kind of effort, even if it was just a fodder mob on him to take him down. I stopped using efreeti for awhile but im in love with it again now, gaining activation control w/ spells, being able to do 15 auto damage to most targets w/ being adjacent allowing my other creatures to base, and flight w/ a 20 damage attack makes me love him again.
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Sirohk
Commander
3930 Posts
USA
| | 01/11/2007 2:55 PM |
| Posted By Nate_666 on 01/11/2007 1:32 PM
I went 3-0 in a local tourney last night with:
Urthok
Doogie x2
Efreeti
Helmed Horror
T-Wolf
Dekanter Goblin
kobold miner
The goblin was there for his regen 5 while camping in a VA so that he would be hard to kill, it was a trial with him but it went fairly well, opponents always had to put some kind of effort, even if it was just a fodder mob on him to take him down. I stopped using efreeti for awhile but im in love with it again now, gaining activation control w/ spells, being able to do 15 auto damage to most targets w/ being adjacent allowing my other creatures to base, and flight w/ a 20 damage attack makes me love him again.
That's not too bad of an idea - the Dekanter Goblin. I like the thought of getting him to a Victory Area and camping him there and then any 5 pt dings regenerate. It will take a little more effort to knock him off. All for only a cost of 5 pts.Â
The only drawback I can see is his 4 speed is a little too slow.Â
For the same cost and speed 10 you can have a Timber Wolf ay 20 HP.Â
Intersting to think about though.Â
Thanks.Â
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Sirohk, the Bard of Heartstone
Knight of the Rahshasa's
And Crusader of the Zakya, Ak'chazar, Naztharune, and Naityan Rakshasa's | |
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thepwner
Skirmisher
42 Posts
| | 01/14/2007 1:04 PM |
| i like
4x Duegar champs
snig
sniglets
kobold miner or other fodder piece
inspired lt
strong commander with 10 activations no 1st round tile grabber tho unless you get lucky with the kobold | | | |
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djtool
Sergeant
584 Posts
Crystal MN, USA
| | 01/14/2007 2:06 PM |
| For the same cost and speed 10 you can have a Timber Wolf ay 20 HP. Intersting to think about though. Thanks.Â
I'm becoming a pretty big fan of the kobold monk. he's fast enough to be a decent tile grabber and his AC vs. a ranged attack has the potential to be awesome.
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