wicked cool
Underboss
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| | werewolf lord gives bloodlust to certain creatures such as animals and shapechangers. what animals/shape changers would have a benefit from this that would make them viable/competive | |
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TheDarklion
Sneak
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| | 01/25/2007 8:38 AM |
| | I think this will highly depend on whether he has warband building or not. Tho I'll put 1 stab out there. I think that Longtooth Barbarian is one that could be a nice 4th hitter if he can join the WW lord. | |
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Gohu
Sneak
80 Posts
| | 01/25/2007 9:16 AM |
| if with warband building then:
Shapechanger:
Longstride ranger (kind of odd match)
Werebear (not bad)
Weretiger
Animal:
Dire Bear (best choice i think)
And if with beastmaster
Dire Lion
Dire Ape
well not much of good choice here.... but all we got !!
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Low Key
Underboss
1231 Posts
| | 01/25/2007 9:18 AM |
| | Rather then Warband building, I'd say that being a Beastmaster will be more important. Timber Wolfs and Dire Bears are both available for CE and are nice Bloodlust targets. | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
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| | 01/25/2007 10:39 AM |
| Sharn Cutthroat? - CG
Dire Bear - ANY
Hunting Cougar - CG
Timber Wolf - ANY | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
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| | 01/25/2007 11:37 AM |
| Dire Bear looks good, and perhaps some of the other animals. The werewolf stinks, so I don't see that being helpful, but, there may be some nice allies in the new set (would make sense for strong Limited bands to be able to be assembled this way).
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Sirohk
Commander
3938 Posts
USA
| | 01/25/2007 4:07 PM |
| Werewolf Lord's CFX- Bloodlust: Animals and shapechangers gain Bloodlust (makes a creature Fearless if it destroys an enemy with a melee attack). This could make some potentailly old and dusty miniatures useful if they can be used in the Werewolf Lords warband via warband building.Â
Could be interesting. 
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Faragdar the Wise
Commander
3547 Posts
Albuquerque, NM, USA
| | 01/25/2007 8:12 PM |
| | I'm just not seeing any good options for followers to take advantage of that commander effect. And I wonder about how this commander effect will work. I imagine the follower has to be under the effect of the commander effect at the time that it gets a kill for the bloodlust to kick in. Will the follower then keep bloodlust for the remainder of the match, no matter where your Werewolf Lord is, or does he still need to stay within 6 to remain fearless? | |
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Temysry
Sergeant
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| | 01/26/2007 8:24 AM |
| Posted By Faragdar the Wise on 01/25/2007 8:12 PM
I'm just not seeing any good options for followers to take advantage of that commander effect. And I wonder about how this commander effect will work. I imagine the follower has to be under the effect of the commander effect at the time that it gets a kill for the bloodlust to kick in. Will the follower then keep bloodlust for the remainder of the match, no matter where your Werewolf Lord is, or does he still need to stay within 6 to remain fearless?
Like all commander effects, I would assume he still has to remain within 6 of the commander. The way I see it, when benefitting from the CFX, a creature gains bloodlust which states that if it has killed a creature, it has fearless. If he moves so that he no longer benefits from the CFX he loses bloodlust, so it doesn't matter if he's killed anything or not. | |
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Faragdar the Wise
Commander
3547 Posts
Albuquerque, NM, USA
| | 01/26/2007 8:54 AM |
| Posted By Temysry on 01/26/2007 8:24 AM
Like all commander effects, I would assume he still has to remain within 6 of the commander.
Except that's not true. With some commander effects (Lord of Blades and Alusair Obarskyr), the follower merely has to start their turn within 6 to gain the benefit of the commander effect, so there's precedent for a commander effect to have a lingering effect on the follower. We'll just have to see how it's written on the card and see what clarifications Guy has to offer. I also wonder how it'll interact with countersong. | |
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Temysry
Sergeant
518 Posts
| | 01/26/2007 4:28 PM |
| Posted By Faragdar the Wise on 01/26/2007 8:54 AM
Except that's not true. With some commander effects (Lord of Blades and Alusair Obarskyr), the follower merely has to start their turn within 6 to gain the benefit of the commander effect, so there's precedent for a commander effect to have a lingering effect on the follower. We'll just have to see how it's written on the card and see what clarifications Guy has to offer. I also wonder how it'll interact with countersong.
Actually - that's not quite correct either. Alusair and the Dragon Totem Hero both have the caveat that a particular ability is gained if a follower activates within 6 squares of their commander, but their effects are deal with movement for that particular turn. The Lord of Blades CFX only applies to creatures that are within 6 when damage is dealt.
Regardless, an ability like bloodlust and being fearless for the remainder of the match, at least IMO, is a very different thing. | |
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Faragdar the Wise
Commander
3547 Posts
Albuquerque, NM, USA
| | 01/26/2007 7:55 PM |
| Posted By Temysry on 01/26/2007 4:28 PM
The Lord of Blades CFX only applies to creatures that are within 6 when damage is dealt.
Regardless, an ability like bloodlust and being fearless for the remainder of the match, at least IMO, is a very different thing.
That's right. I forgot they worded his CE differently than Alusair's. Kind of a pain. And yes, I realize a CE like Alusair's and the possibilities I've suggested for the Werewolf Lord's CE are different. I'm just suggesting that, because there's already the precedent for a "lingering" commander effect (even if it linger's only for that turn), there are several different ways the CE could be implemented, and we don't know which it'll be, yet. One would be almost useless, but one would be powerful:
1) (useless) Follower must be under the influence of the CE when it gets a kill and remains fearless only while under the CE.
2) (powerful) Follower must be under the CE when it gets a kill but gains bloodlust for remainder of skirmish.
3) (acceptable) Follower who gets a kill anywhere is fearless while under the CE. | |
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Temysry
Sergeant
518 Posts
| | 01/27/2007 4:54 AM |
| Posted By Faragdar the Wise on 01/26/2007 7:55 PM
1) (useless) Follower must be under the influence of the CE when it gets a kill and remains fearless only while under the CE.
2) (powerful) Follower must be under the CE when it gets a kill but gains bloodlust for remainder of skirmish.
3) (acceptable) Follower who gets a kill anywhere is fearless while under the CE.
I agree. If I had to guess, it would be #3. Seems the most consistant with current CFXs out there and probably the easiest one wording wise.
Of course - we've certainly been suprised before. | |
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