Autoxdsm Sergeant
 814 Posts



 Myrtle Beach, SC
 | | 01/28/2007 8:39 PM |
| Final of WBC IX! Vote who you think would win. You don't have to be a contestant to vote. Who ever wins gets to arrange the next one. Good luck to both bands.Â
A. blue 5 crow shaman 26 duergar champ 33 elf warrior 4 fire giant forge priest 84 green spawn sneak 6 healer 12 inspiring marshal 29 map: mushroom cavern
strategy is use crow shaman to beef up ac on giant and doogie, maybe marshal and elf warrior (mainly for ranged bonus). sneak for victory area points, blue can have a chance for 5 damage each turn for support from the back, fire giant moves into battle and gets SS from crow shammy, duergar finds a way to fit into the battle, possibly going around to opponents back lines. healer stands next to FGFP and heals. Elf warrior might move away to shoot at their victory area fodder, possibly with blue as well. marshal GMA is ussed at critical time to get the 2 hitters into the right spot to kill, and with melee reach 2 and cleave with a 30 damage attack on FGFP you can get into some nice spots. Crow shammy w/ FGFP should be near 90 damage a round and if he cleaves on his turn and on shammy's turn that would be 150 damage a round, then doogie as a back up hitter means massive damage output. Chastise spirits can be used on SWarm.
N. Quaggoth Slave 10 Regdar, Human Fighter 6 Skeletal Legionnaire 4 Tordek, Dwarf Champion 59 Urthok the Vicious 34 Vlaakith 79 Wolf 5 Xeph Warrior 3 Map: Keep of Fallen Kings I I figure commander 5 ought to get me my map often enough. The strategy is to get to the central victory areas and hold my own while preventing my opponent from holding his. With Urthok and Vlaakith near Tordek, Tordek is a monster. Additionally, the Quaggoth Slave becomes a terrifying prospect against paralyzed foes. The early fireball could help reduce my opponent's VA grabbers, and the near-guarantee of 30-damage from the disintegrate means I can whittle a titan down to size before Tordek engages. | | Champion of the Brainstealer Dragon Desert of Desolation Called Shot: Medium Brown Dragon ***Winner of WBC VIII and XII*** | |
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Nobody Important Sergeant
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 | | 01/28/2007 8:56 PM |
| | N. Tordek and Vlaakith should definitely worry the other side. | | | |
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SkYlyn3 Warrior
 222 Posts



 Williamsburg, Virginia
 | | 01/29/2007 12:12 AM |
| | Vlaakith scares the hell out of me. Tordek is a beast as well. N. | | Champion of Mohrg
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Janos M. Underboss
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 Hamburg / GErmany
 | | 01/29/2007 12:28 AM |
| If A loses map initiative he can place his figures good enough, that the fireball only hurts the Giant or a fodder piece. With the GMA he has a greater strike range and Vlaakith will be the first target. After her death Tordek and the Giant are a tie in Melee. So the Shaman will make the difference.
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Sirohk Commander
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 USA
 | | 01/29/2007 3:14 AM |
| My vote - N
Vlaakith and Tordek are too deadly of a combination.Â
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 Faragdar the Wise Commander
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 Albuquerque, NM, USA
 | | 01/29/2007 6:45 AM |
| | N - if Vlaakith could handle the last FGFP band with a DHoD, she can certainly handle this one, which will suffer mucho electricity damage | | "Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish." - Albert Einstein Champion of Myopic Half-Orcs Winner, WBC X | |
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Raland Sergeant
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 | | 01/29/2007 7:08 AM |
| | N for sure, now I don't feel so bad for losing to it in round one | | Champion of the Kender ckissee - "providing TPK's since 2007" Albert Einstein never once said that if the bees disappeared, "man would have only four years of life left" but the theory is a scary prospect. | |
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Low Key Underboss
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 | | 01/29/2007 7:15 AM |
| | N, definately. Tordek can pretty much hold off the Forgepriest by himself and on top of that, he has Vlaakith doing some serious autodamage to the opposing warband. | | Champion of the Sarrukh | |
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Duke of Spoils greyhaze Warlord
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 | | 01/29/2007 7:37 AM |
| | N. (I think that Tordek and Vlaakith have a minor advantage. With Vlaakith able to threaten at range and area effect the weaker members of warband A, N will be forced to stay spread out or lose all of it's tech support. When it comes down to the Disintegrate it'll hit the Duergar or FGFP and it'll 40% deal full 60 damage. Then there's the Morale, Tordek definately wins that one. A has the healer, GMA and SS (but they might all get roasted). In the end I think it'll go to N.) | | Greyhaze's DDM Spoilers Champion of a Medium Dog & then a Darkenbeast , Raistlin Majere, Nightmare WDQ25/60, Warduke WD60/60, Anti-Champion of Guns, "Knight of Bugbears", and Joke Champion of Venger. Called Shots: Frost Giant in Dangerous Delves. | |
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nycfarmkid Underboss
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 Wadsworth, OH
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 Vrecknidj Warlord
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Autoxdsm Sergeant
 814 Posts



 Myrtle Beach, SC
 | | 01/29/2007 8:07 AM |
| I want to say the FGFP could handle Vlaakith and Tordek but it wouldn't. Vlaakith will lay down spells before the other band gets close then they will just beat the FGFP down. The Quaggoth Slave will add a few hits just for insault thanks to the +2 from Urthok.
Seems like this is a popular thought. I vote N. | | Champion of the Brainstealer Dragon Desert of Desolation Called Shot: Medium Brown Dragon ***Winner of WBC VIII and XII*** | |
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nycfarmkid Underboss
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 Wadsworth, OH
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Low Key Underboss
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 | | 01/29/2007 9:31 AM |
| Posted By nycfarmkid on 01/29/2007 8:30 AM This is looking like a route. And to think I discounted this warband in the first round as not having enough offense. Guess im a little off.
I think the high amount of Forgepriests and Hill Giant Barbarians helped it. Tordek can take both down pretty easily. | | Champion of the Sarrukh | |
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nycfarmkid Underboss
 1210 Posts



 Wadsworth, OH
 | | 01/29/2007 10:04 AM |
| I'm not sure I agree there. Tordek only has an AC bonus against the Giants. That makes it harder for them to hit him, but he wont do any more damage. The FGFP will certainly hit less, but it will also hit harder.
Level 10 AC 23 HP 150 +20/+15 (20 magic + 10 fire) Melee Reach 2
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Level 10 AC 22 + 4 = 26 HP 100 +19/+14 (15 magic + 5 electricity)
Average damage for the FGFP per round : ((30 * .7 + 50 * .05) + (30 * .45 + 50 *.05)) = 39.5 damage a round Average damage for Tordek per round: ((20 * .8 + 35 *.05) + (20 * .55 + 35 * .05)) = 30.5 damage a round
Using this data it should take Tordek 5 rounds to kill the FGFP if it were uninjured and only full attacks were taken and morale was passed. Alternatively it would only take the FGFP 3 rounds to kill Tordek assuming the same. When you take MR 2 into account it is possible to skew it even more in the favor of the FGFP.
At this point you you have to take the support figures into account, especially since FGFP is 25 points more than Tordek. In the above case, I'm not sure that the FGFP has the needed support figures to make a difference against both Tordek AND Vlaakith. However, in the last round I was pretty sure that he did. A dragonmark could make him immune to electricity which would drop the damage output of Vlaakith and Tordek considerably, as well as take some of the damage off of him. Guess I should have posted this data back then. :-P
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Low Key Underboss
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 | | 01/29/2007 10:18 AM |
| | Aye, if band A had a Dragonmark, I would have voted for that instead. | | Champion of the Sarrukh | |
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Duke of Spoils greyhaze Warlord
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 | | 01/29/2007 10:30 AM |
| Posted By nycfarmkid on 01/29/2007 10:04 AM Using this data it should take Tordek 5 rounds to kill the FGFP if it were uninjured and only full attacks were taken and morale was passed.
Tordek has a 15 damage, range 6 attack as well, which can widdle down the Giant before engagement.
The FGFP also gets GMA and SS so I guess it could base, then unleash 3 attacks outright skewering Tordek in one round... I think this fight is a closer call than ppl are making it seem. | | Greyhaze's DDM Spoilers Champion of a Medium Dog & then a Darkenbeast , Raistlin Majere, Nightmare WDQ25/60, Warduke WD60/60, Anti-Champion of Guns, "Knight of Bugbears", and Joke Champion of Venger. Called Shots: Frost Giant in Dangerous Delves. | |
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Raland Sergeant
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 | | 01/29/2007 10:49 AM |
| Down with the Forgepriest!! Maybe people are letting their disdain for the fig be shown, hehe | | Champion of the Kender ckissee - "providing TPK's since 2007" Albert Einstein never once said that if the bees disappeared, "man would have only four years of life left" but the theory is a scary prospect. | |
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nycfarmkid Underboss
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 Wadsworth, OH
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Man of Renown Wraithborne Warlord
 5278 Posts



 The Red Light District
 | | 02/01/2007 11:29 PM |
| Gotta go with N for the win. I agree with others that Tordek/Vlaakith is just too much for the Priest. A decently placed fireball nets early activation control, possibly sacrificing the speedy xeph to put it where you want it and puts the Giant at a disadvantage which is compounded by it's lack of a ranged threat. The priest could realistically be forced to check morale before engagement.
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Duke of Spoils greyhaze Warlord
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 | | 02/02/2007 6:48 AM |
| | Maybe I'm confused about what you're saying Wraithborne, but a fireball won't morale check the FGFP ever. | | Greyhaze's DDM Spoilers Champion of a Medium Dog & then a Darkenbeast , Raistlin Majere, Nightmare WDQ25/60, Warduke WD60/60, Anti-Champion of Guns, "Knight of Bugbears", and Joke Champion of Venger. Called Shots: Frost Giant in Dangerous Delves. | |
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Autoxdsm Sergeant
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 Myrtle Beach, SC
 | | 02/02/2007 7:06 AM |
| Maybe I'm confused about what you're saying Wraithborne, but a fireball won't morale check the FGFP ever.
I think he was talking about the fireball creating activation control. | | Champion of the Brainstealer Dragon Desert of Desolation Called Shot: Medium Brown Dragon ***Winner of WBC VIII and XII*** | |
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ShadowLord XT Commander
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 Plane of Shadow
 | | 02/02/2007 7:48 AM |
| N. Tordek and Vlaakith? Ouch. | | Disipline is the only way to overcome chaos. Champion of Half-Golems Knight of Golems "This world is made for love and peace" - Trigun "anyway..shadow..you've figured women out. KUDOS." - raye_kino16 | |
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Duke of Spoils greyhaze Warlord
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 | | 02/02/2007 7:56 AM |
| Posted By Autoxdsm on 02/02/2007 7:06 AM I think he was talking about the fireball creating activation control. Ah. Indeed it should. Faced a Pit Fiend with an FGFP, Dragonmark x2 and ye old Red Hand. Fire Pro'd the Red Hand and had the pair of them face the Pit Fiend, but I couldn't get anything else close out of fear of those fireball. | | Greyhaze's DDM Spoilers Champion of a Medium Dog & then a Darkenbeast , Raistlin Majere, Nightmare WDQ25/60, Warduke WD60/60, Anti-Champion of Guns, "Knight of Bugbears", and Joke Champion of Venger. Called Shots: Frost Giant in Dangerous Delves. | |
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Man of Renown Wraithborne Warlord
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 The Red Light District
 | | 02/02/2007 4:04 PM |
| Posted By greyhaze on 02/02/2007 7:56 AM Posted By Autoxdsm on 02/02/2007 7:06 AM I think he was talking about the fireball creating activation control. Ah. Indeed it should. Faced a Pit Fiend with an FGFP, Dragonmark x2 and ye old Red Hand. Fire Pro'd the Red Hand and had the pair of them face the Pit Fiend, but I couldn't get anything else close out of fear of those fireball.
Should've been a little more coherent, but I'd just crawled out of bed when I posted that. Fireball for activation control. If the priest fails save vs. disintegrate, Tordek's 1 ranged attack forces morale. | | Eye dun no why youse guys think im not relly a person im jimgang from canada but im moving to cali as soon as i get a master card -Jimgang So, you stand at your grave, Has your soul yet been taken away? So you can't read what's engraved, Is this Heaven or merely Decay? Was there a light, enchantingly bright, A Question, just how did it end? Just let me sift through your calm remains, And tear you away from your skin. -Sumerias Fain. | |
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Damien the Bloodfeaster Sergeant
 885 Posts



 Portland, OR
 | | 02/05/2007 10:39 PM |
| | So any word on when the winner will be announced? | | | |
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nycfarmkid Underboss
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 Wadsworth, OH
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Autoxdsm Sergeant
 814 Posts



 Myrtle Beach, SC
 | | 02/06/2007 7:42 AM |
| | The winner is Vrecknidj!! Looking forward to the next one. Thank to everyone for their participartion. I had a really good time with this. Hope to have a chance to do it again. | | Champion of the Brainstealer Dragon Desert of Desolation Called Shot: Medium Brown Dragon ***Winner of WBC VIII and XII*** | |
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 Vrecknidj Warlord
 10493 Posts


 United States
 | | 02/06/2007 8:49 AM |
| Thanks all.
I honestly didn't think I'd win when I saw all the competition at the beginning.
And, now I can say what band it was that I thought about playing but rejected: it was the Marut/Marilith band. I figured that if I was going to stick to a single letter, that would have been my choice. Wow was I surprised to see someone else came up with basically the exact same band I did!
I've got a few things going on (tests for my students and the like), but I plan to put something together in the next week or so for WBC X!
Dave | | Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing; My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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