hexus
Skirmisher
24 Posts
    
Winchester, VA
 | | 02/01/2007 4:00 PM |
| I'm trying to decide what to pick up for my collection, but alot of figs seem obsolete or atleast easily replacable with some figs from more recent sets (Githyanki Dragon Rider vs Red Dragon for example). Any incite to this would be appreciated.
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Faragdar the Wise
Commander
3547 Posts
Albuquerque, NM, USA
| | 02/01/2007 4:45 PM |
| It's probably easier to list some older figs that I think are not obsolete:
Tiefling Captain
Orc Champion
Red Samurai
Eye of Gruumsh
Orc Warrior
Ogre Ravager
Drow Sergeant
Orc Druid
Orc Brute
Fomorian (epic only, of course)
Abyssal Maw (hasn't seen much play in a long time, but it probably should)
Cleric of Gruumsh (maybe--hasn't seen much use in a long time, but the right synergy would make it a player, again, I think)
Githyanki Fighter (maybe--dimension door puts it right on the edge of playability)
Umber Hulk (maybe--Orc Wardrummer and removal of speed 2 rule put it on the edge of playability, and that's while uncommandable)
Clay Golem (borderline because of speed)
Lich Necromancer (borderline--doesn't like Sacred Watchers or Helmed Horrors) | |
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hexus
Skirmisher
24 Posts
Winchester, VA
| | 02/01/2007 5:03 PM |
| all these orcs ='{, I like the more techy side of CE then run up and bash (figs like vlaakith and Death slaad (green as well). I keep hearing about orce . . . how necissary are they for CE to win?
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Faragdar the Wise
Commander
3547 Posts
Albuquerque, NM, USA
| | 02/01/2007 5:24 PM |
| They (orcs) aren't necessary (except, perhaps, the Orc Wardrummer). There are quite a few non-orc CE pieces that are quite good. I listed 16 pieces from the first 4 sets, 6 of which were orcs. I think part of the reason for that relatively high percentage is the fact that there were just an awful lot of orcs in CE in the early sets. I didn't talk about anything recent because I thought you were looking for data only on the old stuff.
You do need to have something that can run up and bash things, though. Some recent pieces do that well at the high end, like the Hill Giant Barbarian. In the mid-range, I think the big 3 remain the Red Samurai, Orc Champion and Ogre Ravager (only one of which is an orc). Some folks put the Eye of Gruumsh in the same category (if you use him, it just makes sense to go heavy on orcs in your warband).
If you like techy, why play CE? Why not LE? | |
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hexus
Skirmisher
24 Posts
Winchester, VA
| | 02/01/2007 5:30 PM |
| I like the models ='{, I also hear CE is the faction in need of the most love atm. I also only want to put in around $200 mothly, I want to itemize based on what I will get the most use out of (I just have a Death Slaad and Vaalkith so far for CE rares). All the LE band I seem to see are Beholder/Forge giant titan bands or quad hitters.
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Sirohk
Commander
3938 Posts
USA
| | 02/01/2007 6:09 PM |
| A few other "oldies" that still have some usefulness:
Hyena (Harbinger, a nice VPgrabber)
Small White Dragon (Dragoneye, semi expensive VP grabber, worst paint job ever)
Cursed Spirit (Archfiends, poor mans Sacred Watcher, nice with Vlaakith, VP grabber)
Blue Slaadi (GoL, slightly useful in a Slaadi warband)
Minotaur Skeleton (GoL, might be useful with Strahd?)
That's about all I can come up with.Â
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
| | 02/01/2007 7:09 PM |
| Get one of each of the following:
Orc Warrior
Hyena
Troglodyte
Cursed Spirit
Orc Wardrummer
Tiefling Captain
Red Samurai
I'd probably come up with more if I weren't so tired.
Dave | |
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Damien the Bloodfeaster
Sergeant
885 Posts
Portland, OR
| | 02/01/2007 7:33 PM |
| | I like Vreknidj's list best. Cursed Spirit in particular is one I still use all the time when I run CE. | | | |
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Trackrunner56
Skirmisher
8 Posts
| | 02/01/2007 10:29 PM |
| | Getting a Zombie White Dragon would also be good. Getting 130hp for around 40pts is about as good of a ratio as you'll find in any faction nowadays. Yes, SWs eat it up, but if Beholders start to make a comeback, ZWD will be the piece that allows CE to be a viable faction. | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3938 Posts
USA
| | 02/02/2007 3:15 AM |
| Posted By Trackrunner56 on 02/01/2007 10:29 PM
Getting a Zombie White Dragon would also be good. Getting 130hp for around 40pts is about as good of a ratio as you'll find in any faction nowadays. Yes, SWs eat it up, but if Beholders start to make a comeback, ZWD will be the piece that allows CE to be a viable faction.
Plus, Strahd will be able to bring in the ZWD to a LE warband with him in it.Â
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Low Key
Underboss
1231 Posts
| | 02/02/2007 7:53 AM |
| Posted By hexus on 02/01/2007 5:03 PM
all these orcs ='{, I like the more techy side of CE then run up and bash (figs like vlaakith and Death slaad (green as well). I keep hearing about orce . . . how necissary are they for CE to win?
Honestly though, CE is not a techy faction. The faction main focus is to hit and hit hard. | |
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Autoxdsm
Sergeant
814 Posts
Myrtle Beach, SC
| | 02/02/2007 8:13 AM |
| Honestly though, CE is not a techy faction. The faction main focus is to hit and hit hard. I agree, neither of the evils are "techy" compared to the good factions. | |
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hexus
Skirmisher
24 Posts
Winchester, VA
| | 02/02/2007 9:50 AM |
| Orc war drummer, Death Slaad, Green Slaad (maybe just more random), Sucubus, Vlaakith, Balor, Warduke (to a lesser extent), King Obould. All of those seem techy to me. It seems CE is going in this direction. I mean sure they dont have Archmage (hopefully Rastlin gets printed with Unhollowed (or L/CE aspect of Vecna or something aswell). I think CE has alot of "trick" potential.
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
| | 02/02/2007 12:38 PM |
| CE does have trick potential, but I think if you play to its strengths, you'll find high speed and high damage to still be the way to go.
Dave | |
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jeremiahcarissa
Warrior
246 Posts
| | 02/02/2007 1:59 PM |
| Here is a band I have been playing to the fullest lately and it has a great record.
Lich queen
Death Slaad
Ogre Ravager or Orc Champ
Cursed Spirit
Trog
T.Wolf
Orc warrior
Orc warrior
This team has alot tricks and with lawful bands coming out more and more the death slaad has a little hammer action for them. Try it on the keep of the fallen kings or the drow outpost. first turn riots are sure to be in store. | |
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Ghendar
Warlord
13073 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 02/02/2007 2:04 PM |
| Regarding what is and is not obsolete.......
Sometimes figures come back from the grave, as it were. The current metagame may render certain figures less optimal, but that doesn't mean those figures wont someday come back to prominence. | |
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vudumumu
Sneak
83 Posts
| | 02/02/2007 4:28 PM |
| Posted By Ghendar on 02/02/2007 2:04 PM
Regarding what is and is not obsolete.......
Sometimes figures come back from the grave, as it were. The current metagame may render certain figures less optimal, but that doesn't mean those figures wont someday come back to prominence.
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joedj
Skirmisher
35 Posts
olympia
| | 02/03/2007 12:12 PM |
| Considering the lists above, maybe I should stop pursuing that elusive Black Dragon, huh!?!
No one mentioned the Worg? Yeah, you can get two T-wolves instead, but the Worg's can VP grab, then come back to bite the enemy in the rear!
And Orc Druid (mentioned above). Does CE have another Snake Swiftness enabler? Hit hard and hit again x3!
I love the new synergies, even if they only enhance for-fun thematic armies.
I'd buy the following:
Ogre Ravager
Orc Druid
Orc Champion (good luck!)
Red Samurai
Eye of Gruumsh
That's probably a good start. | | | |
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Helzapoppn
Warrior
258 Posts
| | 02/03/2007 4:50 PM |
| The Worg's a great old piece, but if you're CE and have 11 points left over you'd probably be better off with a Cursed Spirit, Troglodyte Thug, Small Black Dragon or even a Quaggoth Slave.
That said, you never know what the next set(s) will bring that may synergize with Magical Beasts like Mr. Worg. | |
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Longbow
Warrior
236 Posts
| | 02/04/2007 5:43 AM |
| | What about the Large Red Dragon? Can he still do some stuff for CE? If only Magic Weapon would be cheap to get... | |
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Faragdar the Wise
Commander
3547 Posts
Albuquerque, NM, USA
| | 02/04/2007 12:32 PM |
| Posted By Longbow on 02/04/2007 5:43 AM
What about the Large Red Dragon? Can he still do some stuff for CE? If only Magic Weapon would be cheap to get...
The Large Red Dragon remains a pretty good skirmish piece, but he's even harder to score than the unequivocably good Orc Champion, and the Githyanki Dragon Knight has enough going for it that it's probably worth the extra 15 points and fills a similar role. The Hyena was a good catch, and I came back to add the Troglodyte earlier but was beaten to the punch. | |
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