Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
    
United States
 | | 03/04/2007 5:19 PM |
| Closed: submissions are no longer being accepted. Look for the pairings soon!
Latest Update: Final submissions will be accepted on noon, Sunday, March 4 EST (i.e. New York time). I will begin putting together the pairings, and I'll post the pairings later that Sunday.
Warband Building Challenge X
Updated with more info: 3/4
Captain/Sergeant -- Each band must begin with exactly two commanders, one is your "Captain," the other a "Sergeant."Â (No piece in your band is required to have the words "captain" or "sergeant," these are just military-esque descriptions.)
The Captain must have a higher commander rating and a more expensive cost than your Sergeant. If your Captain is eliminated, your opponent scores an extra +20 Victory Points.
The Sergeant gains Relay Orders and Willing to Follow. If your Sergeant is eliminated, your opponent scores an extra +10 Victory Points.
There are a handful of additional rules; these have been designed to maximize variety and to prevent some of the old stand-by bands from dominating the WBC.
1) If your Sergeant has Warband Building, you may not use it (this most significantly affects the Couatl).
2) You may not have duplicates of figures in your warband (except certain summoned creatures, see below).
3) You may not have duplicate minions in your warband (poor Snig can't have three Goblin Skirmishers).
4) You may not obtain duplicate summoned creatures from the casting of any single summon spell; however, if a creature has multiple summoning spells, you may end up with duplicates by bringing in a duplicate creature with a subsequent casting of a summon spell.
5) If you include a piece that requires a commander (including variations, such as the Slaughterstone Eviscerator), it must be attached to the Captain.
Please submit your warband to me at this address: davencarol@verizon.net. Please include WBC X in the subject. Tentatively, the deadline for submissions is midnight between February 24 and February 25, Eastern Standard Time US. If I don't have enough submissions to make me happy, I'll extend the deadline, and twist some thumbs.Â
When you submit, please list all the pieces and their cost, the map you're using, and a brief strategy statement so I can post all of that when I post the pairings. Oh, and don't forget to give me your Maxminis username.
I am reserving the right to give a bye to a handful of early entries. This might encourage people to submit their bands quickly. I will only do this if doing so effectively stretches out the number of matches in the second round to a particularly good number of entries (i.e. 8, 16 or 32). Since I'm doing this, it might be good, when you send me the band, to post here that you've submitted your band, so we have a virtual paper trail of who submitted when.
If anyone finds some glaring error, please reply right away and I'll try to fix it before too many people submit their entries.
Dave | |
Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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kdyal
49 Posts
Portland, OR
| | 02/13/2007 2:56 PM |
| 200pt, I assume?
Edit: This is Dave, sorry to take over the thread post. Something goofy happened to this thread and the page order is all messed up. | |
Your outfit might not be a crime against humanity, but it is at least a misdemeanor | |
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Damien the Bloodfeaster
Sergeant
885 Posts
Portland, OR
| | 02/13/2007 3:17 PM |
| Just to be clear: If a Captain has warband building, he may pull a Sergeant in from a different faction using it even though this normally not work with commanders, because the Sergeant is Willing to Follow?
For example, Storm Silverhand (CG, commander 4, 57 points) could use her warband building to take the Village Priest (LG, commander 3, 21 points) as her sergeant? | | | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
| | 02/13/2007 5:22 PM |
| 1) Yes, this WBC is for 200-point bands.
2) Yes, a Captain, such as Storm, that can bring in pieces from other factions can bring in other commanders because they now have Willing to Follow. (This is still subject to the other WBC X rules, of course, and so your example is an excellent illustration of a legal choice.)
Dave | |
Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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SYB
Warrior
328 Posts
| | 02/13/2007 10:10 PM |
| Not that I have any plans to use the Lich Necromancer, but what category does his special ability fall into? Is he a "summoner" and thus able to produce multiples of the same mini? Or does he produce "minions"?
-SYB | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
| | 02/14/2007 5:51 AM |
| Posted By SYB on 02/13/2007 10:10 PM
Not that I have any plans to use the Lich Necromancer, but what category does his special ability fall into? Is he a "summoner" and thus able to produce multiples of the same mini? Or does he produce "minions"?
-SYB His ability lies outside the rules I created. So, if you want to end up with a small army of Gnoll Skeletons, that's fine.
Dave
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Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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vanrulzz
Commander
2778 Posts
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| | 02/14/2007 2:47 PM |
| | PM'ed you | | | |
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Faragdar the Wise
Commander
3547 Posts
Albuquerque, NM, USA
| | 02/14/2007 5:55 PM |
| | An oddity just occurred to me, since we've never had a commander with both Willing to Follow and Relay Orders. A commander cannot benefit from it's own commander effect, so the sergeants will only benefit from their captain's commander effect if they are within 6 of the captain. I mention that just in case anyone was considering a strategy that relied on their sergeant benefitting from the captain while way out front. For example, let's say the Pit Fiend could have an outsider sergeant. You might be thinking you could run the sergeant and some outsider troops way out front to be fireball magnets. Might be a good idea, but only if the sergeant is inherently immune to fire. | |
"Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish." - Albert Einstein
Champion of Myopic Half-Orcs
Winner, WBC X | |
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Faragdar the Wise
Commander
3547 Posts
Albuquerque, NM, USA
| | 02/14/2007 6:39 PM |
| Man, I have an idea for a captain/sergeant combo that I think will just be awesome, but I'm hesitant to submit it because I figure it'll be really popular. Last time I submitted a Maralith/IM combo and there were at least two others. It's no fun getting trounced by a slightly better tuned "mirror" band. What do you think? Go with my favorite idea and risk facing a lot of mirror matches, or look for something less obvious (that would be good against my favorite idea)?
Oh, another thing to note on strategy is that if your captain is Willing to Follow, he can get his own commander effect back if you keep your sergeant close.
(Only reason I'm posting again instead of editing my old post is because I'm using crappy IE7, so editing posts sucks, while using "quick reply" is easy. | |
"Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish." - Albert Einstein
Champion of Myopic Half-Orcs
Winner, WBC X | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
| | 02/14/2007 8:10 PM |
| Faragdar, you're really putting a lot of thought into this. That's great! I'd like to see your cool idea, but I certainly don't want you to post anything that would ruin your chances.
I've been looking at some of the Captain/Sergeant combos too, to try to anticipate what will show up.
Dave | |
Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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Autoxdsm
Sergeant
814 Posts
Myrtle Beach, SC
| | 02/15/2007 3:22 PM |
| | I had an awesome idea but I can't get it to work. If there was a creature to bring Copper Samurai into LG (via warband building and the Copper Samurai gaining Willing to Follow) then combine them with Gitzeryai Monks!!! Beat down like crazy. | |
Champion of the Brainstealer Dragon
Desert of Desolation Called Shot: Medium Brown Dragon
***Winner of WBC VIII and XII*** | |
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Damien the Bloodfeaster
Sergeant
885 Posts
Portland, OR
| | 02/15/2007 6:43 PM |
| GAS won't work anyway--you can't have more than one Githzerai Monk in your warband.
I emailed my submission earlier today! | | | |
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Autoxdsm
Sergeant
814 Posts
Myrtle Beach, SC
| | 02/15/2007 7:00 PM |
| | oh yeah I forgot that rule....boooo | |
Champion of the Brainstealer Dragon
Desert of Desolation Called Shot: Medium Brown Dragon
***Winner of WBC VIII and XII*** | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
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Faragdar the Wise
Commander
3547 Posts
Albuquerque, NM, USA
| | 02/15/2007 8:14 PM |
| | Dave, on the subject of rule #5, what if you want to use a Slaughterstone Eviscerator, but your only dwarf commander is the sergeant? Is that okay, since it's "requires dwarf commander" which isn't precisely the same? | |
"Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish." - Albert Einstein
Champion of Myopic Half-Orcs
Winner, WBC X | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
| | 02/16/2007 5:26 AM |
| Posted By Faragdar the Wise on 02/15/2007 8:14 PM
Dave, on the subject of rule #5, what if you want to use a Slaughterstone Eviscerator, but your only dwarf commander is the sergeant? Is that okay, since it's "requires dwarf commander" which isn't precisely the same? Oops, I should have included that too. My intention is that the Captain be the one to whom they're all tied. Since he's already work 20 extra points, this makes him all that more important to protect. So, I suppose I should modify rule 5 to reflect me intention.
Dave
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Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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luckycow515
Skirmisher
36 Posts
| | 02/16/2007 6:12 PM |
| | are there any prizes if you win? | | | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
| | 02/17/2007 6:02 AM |
| Posted By luckycow515 on 02/16/2007 6:12 PM
are there any prizes if you win? The winner earns the right to create, judge (as much as that is necessary) and run WBC XI.
Dave
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Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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Man of Renown
Wraithborne
Warlord
5278 Posts
The Red Light District
| | 02/17/2007 1:35 PM |
| Another loser on the way in.  | |
Eye dun no why youse guys think im not relly a person im jimgang from canada but im moving to cali as soon as i get a master card
-Jimgang
So, you stand at your grave, Has your soul yet been taken away?
So you can't read what's engraved, Is this Heaven or merely Decay?
Was there a light, enchantingly bright, A Question, just how did it end?
Just let me sift through your calm remains, And tear you away from your skin.
-Sumerias Fain. | |
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nycfarmkid
Underboss
1210 Posts
Wadsworth, OH
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Low Key
Underboss
1231 Posts
| | 02/21/2007 2:02 AM |
| | Question: Can we use Unhallowed pieces? | |
Champion of the Sarrukh | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
| | 02/21/2007 6:56 AM |
| Edit: the community has spoken. The answer is "no."
Posted By Low Key on 02/21/2007 2:02 AM
Question: Can we use Unhallowed pieces? Well, the Challenge was made before the pieces were released. So, let me put it to the community. If you've already submitted a band, and would like the opportunity to consider Unhallowed pieces (now that the stats are available), please post. If a majority says "yes" then we'll allow Unhallowed pieces.
I'll give this until Saturday/Sunday at midnight. If the vote by then isn't "yes," then it defaults to "no."
As a result, this may push back the deadline for submissions by a few days.
Dave
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Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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vanrulzz
Commander
2778 Posts
¯\(°_o)/¯
| | 02/21/2007 12:00 PM |
| | i vote no. | | | |
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Man of Renown
Wraithborne
Warlord
5278 Posts
The Red Light District
| | 02/21/2007 12:02 PM |
| | I vote no as well. | |
Eye dun no why youse guys think im not relly a person im jimgang from canada but im moving to cali as soon as i get a master card
-Jimgang
So, you stand at your grave, Has your soul yet been taken away?
So you can't read what's engraved, Is this Heaven or merely Decay?
Was there a light, enchantingly bright, A Question, just how did it end?
Just let me sift through your calm remains, And tear you away from your skin.
-Sumerias Fain. | |
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Faragdar the Wise
Commander
3547 Posts
Albuquerque, NM, USA
| | 02/21/2007 2:17 PM |
| | No unhallowed. | |
"Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish." - Albert Einstein
Champion of Myopic Half-Orcs
Winner, WBC X | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
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Low Key
Underboss
1231 Posts
| | 02/21/2007 3:53 PM |
| Posted By Vrecknidj on 02/21/2007 3:52 PM That was easy.  No it is. No Unhallowed pieces in WBC X. Dave
Oh well, back to to the drawing board.  | |
Champion of the Sarrukh | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
| | 02/23/2007 5:09 AM |
| I have seen some interesting submissions. Several people have emailed me privately with their own hunches about what to expect, about some "killer combos" and the like.
Here's what I've found so far.
1) The bands are way more varied than some of you might have guessed.
2) There are some really cool combos that people have missed (or decided against, I suppose).
Dave
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Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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SYB
Warrior
328 Posts
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Faragdar the Wise
Commander
3547 Posts
Albuquerque, NM, USA
| | 02/23/2007 9:57 PM |
| | Okay, I sent mine in. I'm very interested to see what sorts of bands folks have put together. Variety is awesome. (Did my spreadsheet miss any combos? There were plenty of choices, some of which were very cool, but most probably still aren't competive, even in this format.) | |
"Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish." - Albert Einstein
Champion of Myopic Half-Orcs
Winner, WBC X | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
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Longbow
Warrior
236 Posts
| | 02/26/2007 3:01 PM |
| | I´ve sent my entry, hope it´s not too late (although my warband isn´t very original). | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
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tomas
Sergeant
531 Posts
Spicer, MN
| | 03/02/2007 1:08 PM |
| | I'm interested to see what everyone comes up with. I'm also too much of a novice to submit my own, so I'll wait this one out. | |
Have/Want list: http://maxminis.com/hwlist.asp?user=tomas
Reference thread: http://maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6938
Trades Completed(51):Unearthed Arcana, arcabious(x2), Noghri, phrennzy, jgsugden, BigBC, maniacal_mini_monger, cyderakk, Chaotic Good, symbiotesx2, Nixlord, dagonet(x2), Red Ranger, Zaukrie, Thatoneguy, Schooly_D, arbados(x2), scottbis, Thailfi(x2), Chiaroscuro, dumdragon, jedijon, DrX, ckissee, time bandit, the1ring, scallamander, sttmxn, Lance H, qstor, Thor, glumag, Urban Druid, xuthal, jaidenshea, Ghendar, Nurvel, raymo13, ickthegreat, Primarch, WakeXX, kyrin, Crisisman,desiderata, smetzger, Vrecknidj, Frostrune
Trades Pending():
BAD TRADES(3):Satsujin Kingyo, Wraith, Yo Hon
Email: thompmar@hotmail.com | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
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Faragdar the Wise
Commander
3547 Posts
Albuquerque, NM, USA
| | 03/02/2007 2:13 PM |
| | Hey, if anyone is struggling to find good captain/sergeant combos, I'll be happy to send you an Excel spreadsheet that I created to see what teams are possible. Just grab a pair that looks interesting to you and throw in some solid pieces to fill out to 200 points. Generating a band is pretty easy if you don't get bogged down worrying about submitting something ultra-competitive (like I did ). Sometimes the winner comes out of left field. | |
"Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish." - Albert Einstein
Champion of Myopic Half-Orcs
Winner, WBC X | |
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Dagaron
Sneak
146 Posts
Indiana, USA
| | 03/02/2007 3:22 PM |
| | Well, I'm no expert.. but I put together a little band that I think is fun and may just be decent depending on what you guys submit. | |
Champion of Dagaronzie, Green Dragon
DDM Have/Want List
DDM Trade History & Feedback | |
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SYB
Warrior
328 Posts
| | 03/03/2007 4:36 PM |
| As an entertaining note, I believe that there is one commander (and only one commander) that cannot be part of this competition. The Balor at 95 pts and 0 commander rating is more expensive than any other CE commander. I looked really hard, but I couldn't find any other commander that was impossible to include.
-SYB | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
| | 03/04/2007 4:51 AM |
| I thought that maybe there were more commanders that were "impossible," but, it's first thing in the morning and so I can't think too straight yet. If I remember, I'll post them later. (Or, I could just be wrong.)
Had a late night at the pre-release, but I'll still try to get the postings up soon.
Dave | |
Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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