Posted By Thenameless on 02/17/2007 1:06 AM
The problem in our area is Bahamut.

Im a great devote of evil factions, but Im very tired about this.... WoTC dont want to balance the meta...... Im very near to go off of this game about this boring situation, The problem is that Evil faction dont have posibilities in EPIC play.

Posted By kumaiti on 02/17/2007 10:55 AM


You are probably new to the game, aren't you? One year playing? Two years?

Each faction has some time to shine while the others are put aside for a while: there was the time for CE-quads, Berserkers, Maruts, Kords, Helmed Horrors and so on and so forth
That is how it seems WotC balances the game on the long run.

Posted By Ryoga on 02/17/2007 4:43 AM
Yeah Bahamut is lot of pain too..... but you understand that I trying to say about Skyfire Captain???

Good Purple Worm can ba an option but if tordek or bahamut have an Bodyguard he can prevent to be ate or poisoned by the worm..... Bodyguard can block the worm seriously.......and the worm is too fragile....

I cant found the way.......

Posted By Wraithborne on 02/17/2007 2:20 AM
Purple worm can solve your Bahamut problems as well. Use him in CG and run Aramil as well. Ray of Enfeeblement and a very failable DC 25 poison save and Bahamut is swinging at +16/+11/+11 for 10 magic damage. Toss in Nebin or a spellscale for some blur and it could get even worse for our favorite Huge Silver Dragon proxy.

Posted By Thenameless on 02/17/2007 1:06 AM
If you guys are seeing way too much of Tordek in your epic tournaments, then just bring a Purple Worm or two. Once your enemies have been insta-killed a couple of times, they'll be too scared to bring Tordek. Believe me, it works.

Tordek, being a slow titan, is also susceptible to multiple Archmages.

The problem in our area is Bahamut.

Posted By Ryoga on 02/17/2007 9:48 PM

Posted By warty_nosed_goblin on 02/20/2007 5:13 PM
Actually as far as I can tell, the only faction really getting shafted at the moment is CE, although that may be changing now...also check out the number of pieces with nerfing abilities anymore- LG can drop a creature's attack by a considerable amount, LE can nerf 10 off of damage with half elf hexblade and ultraloth, and also has access to slow via beholder and curse of impending blades from grim necromancer. As far as I can tell, if a player wants to invest in nerf stuff, its definately on hand, and with the increasing importance of buffing, may become more important itself.

Posted By md3 on 02/21/2007 9:20 AM
Ryoga,

I agree with your list the Good gets. We just expect players to run these things and make due with what we can in Evil to beat Good. It doesn't always work, but we try different things to hack on Good. It just depends on the player piloting skills. I've seen a hodge podge CE band take out GAS with ease. The player who played the GAS band was bragging that he had won 3 tournaments with his build. The player who ran the CE band hadn't played in months but they got paired together and the battle was over in less than 30 minutes.
I've seen Tordek and Bahamut win and lose. Each has their strengths and weaknesses. I've seen an invisible Tordek win a tournament and it sickens me, but I've also blasted an invisible Tordek with 5 breath weapons from Tiamat to leave him anything but living after a full attack by Tiamat. I've seen Bahamut run like a chicken. These figures are good, but not everyone has to run them. I've used 3 Blue Barneys to tear through Bahamut and his friends.... including 2 Coautl.

Posted By md3 on 02/21/2007 11:33 AM
I'd bet if you came up with a good solution to defeat these two you would change your meta because people would stop playing them as often.