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03/07/2007 11:22 AM  
Well, what can you build?  He looks pretty good, but I've seen some others say that they aren't convinced he's belongs at the top of the competitive bands.

Do you disagree?

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03/07/2007 1:38 PM  
His epic stats look really good, to me. I think he'll make a good showing in epic. I don't know if his standard stats justify the price, though. Maybe. He does have a lot going for him, but is it 93 points good?

93 Strahd
35 Chraal
18 Sacred Watcher
33 Duergar Champion
15 Dark Moon Monk
03 Warrior Skeleton
03 Kobold Miner

I don't know about the Sacred Watcher, but it would help vs. other bands with undead. Strahd can auto-rout one (which probably is auto-eliminated with his commander effect) and the Sacred Watcher can work on another. It could even help vs. a SWarm band, against which Strahd should be sweating. Cursed Spirits would be nice, but I'm not sure what I would drop to fit them in except the Watcher, and that just makes you more vulnerable to SWarm.

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03/07/2007 3:42 PM  
Yoiu cant use Sacred watcher with Non-Epic Stradh his Warband Building says "CE undeads" and Epic- Stradh says "Any undead".... As I know, Im not sure

Excuse me about this question, Why you try to search an competative warbands with this "Junk"?, Stradh good to the pile of Junk of LE... Im not sure about LE future, all factions was have his own "Gold Age" but LE dont... I waste about 6 years of my life waiting to see LE in the Top warbands. I still win with LE...

Sorry about my antipathy ...

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03/07/2007 4:08 PM  
Nobody wants to try this?

Strahd
Lord Soth
Warrior Skeleton x3



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03/07/2007 4:22 PM  
Strahd and Soth? Now only if Soth's problem was damage instead of hitting.

Ryoga, I'm looking at the Strahd's card and both sides say "WARBAND BUILDING: Undead of any alignment are legal in your warband."


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03/07/2007 4:29 PM  
Posted By Nobody Important on 03/07/2007 4:22 PM
Strahd and Soth? Now only if Soth's problem was damage instead of hitting.

Ryoga, I'm looking at the Strahd's card and both sides say "WARBAND BUILDING: Undead of any alignment are legal in your warband."

At last Good news.... its very good to know this!!! Thanks Nobody, nice to see you, long time that I dont read you post.

Still Stradh its not competative...

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03/07/2007 5:47 PM  
Posted By Vrecknidj on 03/07/2007 4:08 PM
Nobody wants to try this?

Strahd
Lord Soth
Warrior Skeleton x3



Dave


Oh if I get Strahd you bet I'll try it. 'Cept with goblins just because

Maugs are another attractive possibility since the aren't messed up by Strahd's commander effect, which essentially makes running living beaters something of a liability- although passing on undead torch is somewhat annoying, since +10 damage is nothing to sneeze at, particularly in LE with its shortage of damage boosting effects. Hmm...anybody thought of using the spectre with Strahd? I could see the +10 damage pushing him up towards playability, though I'm still not sure that he's got what it takes. Strahd + DK Deathknight is another idea, since having him swinging away for 30 damage at those bonuses is pretty scary, and his effective HP are pretty similar to those of Kord, but he'd be doing twice the damage.


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03/07/2007 6:12 PM  
i've played a band similar to the one faragdar mentioned except I had a zak rak in place of a champ. having at least one watcher is a must I think as I've gotten great mileage out of it. 2 might work ok for a point-denial strategy, 3 and I think you're pushing it.

My only problem with strahd is bloodstar. I prefer vlaakiths spells as they all will do something...bloodstar seems best left for times when you have nothing else better to do.

For a core, i'd probably never sway from :

strahd
sacred watcher
bat familiar


whether or not he's competitive remains to be seen, but I think his fun-factor is high.

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03/10/2007 7:15 AM  
I finally got around to looking through the pieces for a Strahd band. This one looks like a solid hitter band.

Strahd
Chraal
Duergar Champion
Sacred Watcher
Cursed Spirit
Dire Rat
Goblin Skirmisher x2

And, if you've got the stomach for higher-variance, and want to pester your opponents, these look fun.

Strahd
Beholder Lich
Cursed Spirit x3
Dire Rat
Goblin Skirmisher x2

and

Strahd
Beholder Lich
Sacred Watcher
Cursed Spirit x2
Goblin Skirmisher

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03/10/2007 7:22 AM  
Can't stop makin' 'em!

These two look particularly wicked. I like the idea of a Bat delivering a 50 hp spell.

Strahd
Iron Golem
Sacred Watcher
Cursed Spirit
Bat Familiar
Timber Wolf
Goblin Skirmisher x2

Strahd
Bone Naga
Sacred Watcher
Cursed Spirit
Bat Familiar
Dire Rat
Goblin Skirmisher x2

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03/11/2007 7:24 AM  
I played that last one last night against a band featuring Lord Soth and the Firegiant Forgepriest. The Bone Naga's cone of cold was priceless, and the ability to strip Soth of his Spell Resistance meant my opponent had to be very careful about placement. The Bat Familiar delivered a 50hp smack to the FGFP, and that was very, very worth it for 6 points.

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03/11/2007 7:12 PM  

I used :

Strahd

Deathknight & assorted crap

It was fun and Death did alot of damage.


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03/12/2007 1:53 PM  
Okay, how about this nutty idea:

93 Strahd
81 Aspect of Nerull
12 Bat Familiar x2
09 Goblin Skirmisher x3
05 Timber Wolf

Aspect of Nerull can dish out damage fast to living targets or "heal" Strahd faster. One of those Bat Familiars gives you one extra use of inflict critical wounds--can you ask for more for 6 points? The other can, of course, dish out Strahd's 50 damage/undead hate spell.

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03/13/2007 12:27 AM  
I was playing around with the idea of:

Strahd 93
Duergar Champion 33
Zakya Rakshasa 36
Sacred Watcher 18
Bat Familiar 6
Blue 5
Goblin Skirmishers x3 9
200/9act

Not sure if it is good but it definitly isn't bad....

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03/13/2007 12:54 AM  
Excuse me about this question, Why you try to search an competative warbands with this "Junk"?, Stradh good to the pile of Junk of LE... Im not sure about LE future, all factions was have his own "Gold Age" but LE dont... I waste about 6 years of my life waiting to see LE in the Top warbands. I still win with LE... [Cool]


Ehm, Ryoga, what are you talking about? Ok, non-epic Strahd may be not very competetiv...but what is it always with you about lawful evil? I think, LE at least had its "gold age" when the world champion stomped his enemies with his Chraal band. And besides, every now and again, LE receives top tier1 pieces which change the metagame dramatically: Chraal, helmed horror, duergar champion, ultroloth...
IMO its time to complain about the weakness of the once dominating faction CE! Fortunately CE has received some strong pieces in the latest set (like werewolf lord and thrall) so that MAYBE it could make sense again to bring a CE band to a tourney....
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03/13/2007 7:08 AM  
How about:

198pts
Strahd x2
Bat Familiar x2

Strahd can cast undead torch on each other, they also are not unique and therefore two can be in a warband.



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03/13/2007 7:40 AM  
Posted By greyhaze on 03/13/2007 7:08 AM
How about:

198pts
Strahd x2
Bat Familiar x2

Strahd can cast undead torch on each other, they also are not unique and therefore two can be in a warband.


Interesting.  If the damage output were higher (though with Undead Torch, it ain't too bad), this would be nasty.

It's worth trying, actually.  The activations stink, but, something's gotta give.

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03/13/2007 7:45 AM  
Posted By Faragdar the Wise on 03/12/2007 1:53 PM
Okay, how about this nutty idea:

93 Strahd
81 Aspect of Nerull
12 Bat Familiar x2
09 Goblin Skirmisher x3
05 Timber Wolf

Aspect of Nerull can dish out damage fast to living targets or "heal" Strahd faster. One of those Bat Familiars gives you one extra use of inflict critical wounds--can you ask for more for 6 points? The other can, of course, dish out Strahd's 50 damage/undead hate spell.
You are an evil genius.  With Undead Torch, the Apsect of Nerull is doing acceptable damage at +15/+10.

I don't think it's nutty at all, I think it's viable.

I might, however, use a Dire Rat and second Timber Wolf in place of the three Skirmishers, just to have a better chance at maintaining assault points.  It would drop the activations, but not dangerously.

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03/13/2007 8:04 AM  
Posted By Vrecknidj on 03/13/2007 7:45 AM

You are an evil genius.  With Undead Torch, the Apsect of Nerull is doing acceptable damage at +15/+10.




Unfortunately, you can't use Undead Torch on the Aspect of Nerull since he isn't undead.  I think you've hit the nail on the head though.  To make Strahd viable, he really needs a good undead beater to cast undead torch on.  I think the Devourer is the best we've got in that department, but with only 80 hp with AC 21, I can't see him sticking around too long unless you can get some serious negative damage into the band to heal him.  Of course, with 153 points already spent on those two figs, you just can't do it.

Perhaps Night Below will give us a more suitable target for his undead torch.  Something with at least 2 attacks and decent survivability for its cost.  Wishful thinking, I know.

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03/13/2007 8:30 AM  
Yep, just realized that and came back to post it. I figured somebody would have beat me to it.

Duh, Aspect of Nerull just looks undead.

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03/13/2007 9:04 AM  
Strahd
Cadaver Collector
Warrior Skeleton

It would just be fun to play non-competetively.

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03/13/2007 6:15 PM  

I finally just read this thread on Strahd Warband ideas.Â

 

I also have not fully read Strahds card.Â

 

Wow, Sacred Watchers can be pulled into LE via Strahd.  That is very nice.Â

 

Therefore, I'll take a stab at a warband idea:

Strahd 93
Sacred Watcher 18
High Inquisitor 49
Duergar Champion 33
Dire Rat 4
Skeleton Warrior 3

Only 6 activations, but the High Inquisitor works well to heal Strahd.Â



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03/13/2007 11:01 PM  
So no Strahd swarms?
Strahd + 5 sacred watchers + cursed spirit + 6pts
Not teh best.
I do liek many ideas above though... have to try and figure something...

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03/14/2007 3:31 AM  
Posted By Bert the Troll on 03/13/2007 11:01 PM
So no Strahd swarms?
Strahd + 5 sacred watchers + cursed spirit + 6pts
Not teh best.
I do liek many ideas above though... have to try and figure something...

I just could not do multi Strahd + multi Sacred Watchers ("SWRAHD").Â


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03/14/2007 5:56 AM  
I think the problem with strahd-swarm is that it lacks the damage output of standard swarm, there's no synergy. I'm actually finding that Strahd actually lacks synergy with any pieces. He costs so much, can only boost 1 undead (which I can't seem to find an appropriate reciprocil for), and his CFX doesn't boost the lame followers he's gonna have. And with most warbands these days, he's seriously in trouble vs constructs. I'm afraid he's gonna sit on a shelf until we get some decent undead beaters that don't also cost 60pts themselves.


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03/14/2007 8:05 AM  
If we get an undead that does 15 magic damage already, and has two decent attacks, and has either a high AC or a fair number of hit points, then we're in business.

If the Death Knight cost 55 points instead of 80, Strahd + Death Knight would be awesome.

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03/14/2007 8:29 AM  
Posted By greyhaze on 03/14/2007 5:56 AM
I think the problem with strahd-swarm is that it lacks the damage output of standard swarm, there's no synergy. I'm actually finding that Strahd actually lacks synergy with any pieces. He costs so much, can only boost 1 undead (which I can't seem to find an appropriate reciprocil for), and his CFX doesn't boost the lame followers he's gonna have. And with most warbands these days, he's seriously in trouble vs constructs. I'm afraid he's gonna sit on a shelf until we get some decent undead beaters that don't also cost 60pts themselves.

Strahd have on of the most disapointed Cfx that I never see..... Im completly agree with GreyHaze, if Strahd's Cfx gives bonus to undeads instead this stupid +4 Speed!!!

I hate this.... With Silver, Drummer, Black Dragon and a lot of undeads and constructs, this Cfx is completly useless.....

just dont try to cosntruct competative with Strahd, only let him go to the forgotten ark of LE.... (That is already FULL!! of Junk!)

Thats the worst set for LE,

LE WoTC designer needs to be fired quick, other factions upgrade quick and LE stills in the past with Duergar Champions.... thats stupid....

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03/14/2007 10:06 AM  
What about:

Count Strahd Von Zarovich, Vampire
Duergar Champion
Flameskull
Sacred Watcher
Sacred Watcher
Bat Familiar
Dire Rat
Goblin Skirmisher

The FS takes Undead Torch and hits at +18 for 15 damage. Plus, the FS is immune to Fire, Cold and Electricity...all very common types of energy damage. Oh, and it has Conceal 6 - not bad for 25 points!

Bat sticks someone with Night's Caress. Nuff said.

DC and SW fill out the meat of the band, while the rat tile grabs and the goblin for 3 pt. fodder.

What Count lacks in CFx, he makes up for with his CDR 7. 93 points is lot of points though. Would love to play test this - if only I could freakin figure out Vassal....

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03/14/2007 3:31 PM  

Strahd is just way too expensive.  He should cost about 20-25 points less and his speed should be about F7 or F8, then he would be competitive. Â

His first round activation is going to be casting 'torch on an ally and crawling six spaces.  His second round activation is either casting a spell on an enemy and crawling, or moving twice.  He can't fly and only moves six which makes for the slowest vampire ever.Â

After two rounds, either your entire army is waiting with Strahd and you are behind on victory points, or half your army is getting owned by the opponent while Strahd gets ready.  Behind on victory points is not a good place to be with a Strahd band since it destroys the opposition in a decidedly slow fashion. 

If you are hoping to be competitive with Strahd, your opponent better have a big undead creature so that you can tell it to leave the battle area forthwith. 

 


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03/14/2007 3:54 PM  
Sad but true gregorkhan. No flight bites worse than strahd does. And the commander effect would be much better if it was like undead torch, and he had a immediate spell send people off running.

Still, one day his warband building will be useful. One day we will have undead worthy.

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03/14/2007 5:40 PM  

i played the Skyfire captian with Kord and shadow dancers against this strad band and got slaughtered

 

Strad

Beholder Lich

Bat

ZWD - gets the +10damage spell and acts as a meat sheild protecting lich and comm from ranged


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03/14/2007 5:59 PM  
Posted By Bert the Troll on 03/14/2007 3:54 PM
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Still, one day his warband building will be useful. One day we will have undead worthy.

I disagree, I believe that Strahd is bad designed mini that is condened to the past .... to be forgotten... soo sad...

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Posted By Ryoga on 03/14/2007 5:59 PM
Posted By Bert the Troll on 03/14/2007 3:54 PM
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Still, one day his warband building will be useful. One day we will have undead worthy.

I disagree, I believe that Strahd is bad designed mini that is condened to the past .... to be forgotten... soo sad...



I had noticed your dislike for him.

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03/14/2007 7:14 PM  
We are playing an Adventuring Party warband at 500 points. The Party must consist of 1- Fighter, Mage, Cleric & Rogue. I'm thinking of running this one as follows.

Epic Strahd   (Magic User)
Fire Giant Forge Priest  (Cleric)
Mercenary Seargeant   (Fighter)
Wererat Rogue  (Rogue)

Support Pieces:
Vampire Dire Wolf x2
Duergar Slaver
Greenspawn Sneak

Strahd can cast Undead Torch on one of the Vampire Dire Wolves giving it (25 magic +10 + Life Drain),



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03/14/2007 7:29 PM  
How about...

Strahd
Devourer
Cursed Spirit x3
Bat Familiar
Dire rat x2

Put Undead Torch to good use on the Devourer and Bloodstar away on enemy hitters to increase you whole wawrband's damage potential!

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03/14/2007 7:32 PM  
I love the idea of Strahd, but I think Ryoga is right, he is pretty much crap in 200 point skirmish. I thought he was ok in the prerelease if you also pulled either a caller in darkness or a vampire dire wolf, but other than that I don't think he's worth it. I played my Ultraloth/Caller in Darkness/Monolith band against him and after getting ahead on points and sending a ray of enfeeblement Strahd's way, the Caller in Darkness held him off the rest of the skirmish. That's pretty sad for a 93 point figure IMHO. Strahd wasn't able to heal and ten points of possible damage against an incorpreal just didn't phase my band, especially with unlimited scorching rays backing up the Caller.

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03/14/2007 8:48 PM  
I used Strahd during the prerelease and finished tied for third.  Although I was 4-1 before the elimination rounds, I won three very close games, and got completely owned by the two people who finished 1 and 2.  Strahd did not have the punch required to finish anyone off.  In retrospect, I would not have used him.Â

One of the pieces that noone is really excited about is the new Blood of Vol piece.  If there were an inexpensive undead commander, I would run three or four of them together.   

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Coquimbo - Chile / Italia

03/14/2007 8:52 PM  
@ Bert the Troll. My good troll friend... I had hear about Strahd a long time ago, 1 year..., I believe that Strahd will grow up the EPIC level of LE, but Im still waiting to see LE in epic... I was starting to think that WoTC will design a great and well balanced mini with this one, when I see his stats I was really disapointed...
The EPIC play for me is read and see people enjoy his Bahamut, Tordek and Strom Archer... very sad for me.... very fun for they.....

Thats the point because Im very angry with WoTC, they dont want to lets grow up LE in epic.
Even more sad... But What can I do? I write to WoTC, but only few people help me to do something, actually, in my local Meta Im one of the few that play LE.... (only 11 persons for 153, others play LG and CG)
Soo sad for me..... no one whant to do something.... and my letters of complains about this pass without answer...

@ Crow_Shaman, yes you say it.... maybe I will build some FUN (ONLY FUN) with this piece of crap... maybe some wb like:

Strahd 93pts
2x Vampire wolf 48x2
11pts left (2x Gobs, Kobold Monk?)

Activations 6 - 200pts
Quick warband, but Strahd fall for his speed, "hey wolfs, come back here!, NOW! I say".... lol
Damn vampire with Speed 6!!! DAMN!

Keep playing LE!

Ryoga

Dealing with new life... new country and life without DDM :(
Some day I will be back in board

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03/14/2007 10:03 PM  
i think you guys are being a little hard on the count. I don't think he sucks at all. maybe not the greatest piece ever, but he certainly doesn't suck.

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03/15/2007 3:20 AM  
Posted By Ryoga on 03/14/2007 8:52 PM

Quick warband, but Strahd fall for his speed, "hey wolfs, come back here!, NOW! I say".... lol
Damn vampire with Speed 6!!! DAMN!

Keep playing LE!

Ryoga
A Vampire such as Strahd should have at least had Flight 6 for turning into bat form.Â




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