Posted By Autoxdsm on 04/10/2007 5:43 AM
Something just tells me that LBD x3 is going to dominate the qualifiers I could be wrong.

Posted By Autoxdsm on 04/10/2007 5:43 AM
Well then why are all the good dragons not that good? I don't see triple large brass dragon rolling around. Oh wait because he is worse in every category except AC. Something just tells me that LBD x3 is going to dominate the qualifiers I could be wrong.

Posted By Zyla on 04/10/2007 3:31 PM
Alot of figures are over costed on purpose, its to prevent them from making a broken combo like the Drider Sorceror. Also, the LBD by itsself isnt really that competative, especially against high AC, its what you pair it with that makes the diffrence.

Posted By Chairman7w on 04/10/2007 1:21 PM
I agree iluvxtina, and I'll take it a step further: Why can't all the pieces be balanced?

I know it's an old Complaint, but it's one that we've never gotten an official answer to. "Why can't pieces be more accurately costed?"

It's not even the undercosted figs that bother me (Large Black Dragon, anyone?), it's the Overcosted, unusable figs that get on my nerves. I mean, there are pieces that NOBODY EVER plays. Ever. It's sad.

And I don't buy the argument that Development doesn't catch it. If that's the case, they're sadly lacking in that department and should expand it.

Every four months, when the Spoiler Stats come out for the new sets, it's not even MINUTES until the firsts posts show up noticing that certain pieces cost too much. "Nope - that piece sucks. It's be great if it were 10 pts less, but not at this cost."

If the community can see that right away, why can't the developers? I can only think they DO notice, but for some reason, it's part of their plan to make SOME pieces not as playable. Why? Lord only knows.... I've seen an article about this thing concerning Magic Cards, but I don't see the connection here. Why would it hurt the game to have more properly costed figures?

Posted By TLorin on 04/10/2007 2:27 PM


One other consideration might be the casual gamer.  When I first started playing, we never used victory areas and simply slugged it out.  The Gold Dwarf Soldier was one of the best figures in this type of game, and the dwarves in general won the day due to their high AC's, solid HP's and level, and decent damage.  Their speed 4 generally keeps them from being competitive in skirmish play.  However, although many speed 4 creatures seem 'overcosted' to competitive players to the point of being unplayable, to the casual player not playing assault format, they might be just right.

Posted By Longbow on 04/11/2007 1:07 PM
Triple Chraal seems to be a good opponent for the LBD, with Ultroloth as a commander. Almost the same hp and breath weapon, the deathburst, DR and good AC. Just protect the Ultroloth from melee attacks.

Posted By Mandavar on 04/11/2007 1:54 PM
They need about 5-6 successful attacks and/or lines... 3 LBD should do that in about 2 rounds.

Posted By greyhaze on 04/11/2007 2:13 PM


Ultroloth is immune acid, so the lines won't work.  They'll have to get their paws dirty, and he also has DR5.  So, iirc 6 successful attacks are required (requiring morale check passed of course).

Posted By Thenameless on 04/11/2007 2:33 PM
This match-up isn't too bad for LE. After some nerfing it could get really tight for the Large Blacks. It might take a while, but the Large Blacks should still be able to pull it off in the end against Ultraloth/Chraals.

Posted By SkYlyn3 on 04/17/2007 11:11 PM
Actually, many of the Warbands coming into the Qualifiers have lower ACs, making them easier to hit. However, most of the bands coming out on top or in top 4 have higher ACs and can withstand a couple of BWs from the dragons. Ultaforge, UltraChamps, and some Storm variants are picking on triple black bands all over. Only 5 out of the 20 top 4 bands (so far reported) contained Large Black Dragons. I think a lot of people are expecting to face this and using that to help decide what they are going to play.

Posted By SkYlyn3 on 04/18/2007 7:24 PM
Virtuous Charger is a band that has been flying well under most people' radar for some time now, and it is winning in spades. Ultra-quad is also a force to be reckoned with. Ultra-forge was made to beat LBDs, and if you happen to face a LBD band, you will se why they should shake your hand and move on to the losing table almost immediately. But, Quad and Chargers are playing at a higher level and those should be the bands that EVERYONE should be watching, as they have a favorable matchup with most everything.