Zyla
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| Wulfgar has willing to follow Unique commanders, meaning it can gain fearless and Flight from storm.
Raistlin has perfect targeting and can remove 5 HP to boost its spells, so it can Boost its spells and then get healed, and also gain fearless. | |
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| | 06/10/2007 4:07 PM |
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| | 06/10/2007 5:45 PM |
| Posted By Zyla on 06/10/2007 3:17 PM
Wulfgar has willing to follow Unique commanders, meaning it can gain fearless and Flight from storm.
Raistlin has perfect targeting and can remove 5 HP to boost its spells, so it can Boost its spells and then get healed, and also gain fearless.
110 HP, Fearless, Flying, and doing 25 magic per swing, and only a cost of 54 points (111 with Storm).Â
CG getting better and better with every piece in this set.Â
Very scary indeed.Â
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Autoxdsm
Sergeant
814 Posts
Myrtle Beach, SC
| | 06/10/2007 9:07 PM |
| too bad he is a commander, but does it really matter because he can gain 2 amazing commander effects from Drizzt or Storm.
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SYB
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328 Posts
| | 06/10/2007 9:13 PM |
| Ironically, having Storm in the same army as Wulfgar makes Wulfgar's CFX much less useful.
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Autoxdsm
Sergeant
814 Posts
Myrtle Beach, SC
| | 06/10/2007 9:24 PM |
| Ironically, having Storm in the same army as Wulfgar makes Wulfgar's CFX much less useful.
I don't think anyone will care.
Wulfgar adds the extra commander for rallying if strom doesn't have LOS. | |
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Elgaardian War Wizard
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| | 06/10/2007 10:38 PM |
| Fear not, Storm makes Wulfgar fearless and does cancel his commander effect. BUT not if you play it right. Lead with Wulfgar (flying etc) and one other front line piece... keep storm back to start (likely she will be behind if she has to cast fly twice (once with bat)... Virtuous charger often outruns her at the start of a game... but its a little too fast for this tactic. now if your other frontline piece is out of storm's commander effect but still has LOS to her she can help it pass the morale save nad get the bonus attack... if it fails she can auto rally it after...and heal it before it reenters the fray.Â
Still going to work out well, just balance your synergy very carefully. OR use storm to bring in a Standard bearer and copy wulfgars effect for himself? or will that not work because he only follows unique commanders?   even without SB, the bonus attacks are still likely. | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1669 Posts
Portland OR
| | 06/10/2007 10:40 PM |
| Depends on exact wording of Wulfgar's cmd effect...
But Storm+ Wulfgar + Raistlin= 137 with a lot of room to spare...
Other fun trix: Storm takes raistlin hits then healed by bat or lightening dmg... Wulfgar takes raistlin hits healed by various means... Ebrek, Devis, little tordek or other low cost iconics takes raistlin hit after usefulness is used up with no healing needed...Phalanx spell casting occurs between CWW and Raistlin...
Wulfgar+ skyfire captain...
CG gets good stuff again!!!
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121 Posts
Canada
| | 06/12/2007 11:38 AM |
| | Does anyone think CG is getting too many power creep minis since Blood War or is it just me? | |
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Newtoncain
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| | 06/12/2007 11:51 AM |
| Posted By Bring_it_On_DDM on 06/12/2007 11:38 AM
Does anyone think CG is getting too many power creep minis since Blood War or is it just me?
2004-CE wins via Kiddock
2005-LE wins via Fenris
2006-LG wins via Derry
2007-CG is poised to win
So power creep for CG is A Ok w/ me. Then Desert of Des can reset the playing field.
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Michael
Warrior
230 Posts
Sydney, Australia
| | 06/12/2007 1:31 PM |
| Storm, Wulfgar and Raistlin sounds great indeed.
My first warband with knowledge of the Wulfgar and Raistlin stats was the following:
Drizzt
Wulfgar
Raistlin
Nebin
Devis
Ialdabode
A concealed Drizzt, Wulfgar and Raistlin could last some time. I know, it's probably never going to happen, but what if you base a titan with Wulfgar and Drizzt and then use sleep or hold person against it? That would be 5 auto-crits for 75 (Drizzt) and 110 (Wulfgar) damage!
However, Wulfgars CFX would be wasted since there are not beaters to profit from it.
So to fully profit from Wulfgar and Drizzt the best band would probably be a beater band. Rikka or a combo of Krusk and Ember might work pretty good.
However, the combo with Storm seems more powerful.
Just one question on this: If Drizzt would cost 57 points (or Storm 87), whom would you chose? Leave alone, Storm and a Corm. War Wizard adds up to 86 points compared to Drizzts 87....
Conceal on Storm and Wulfgar via Nebin might be a good thing. Along with Raistlin and Rikka there would be plenty of uniques for Raistlins companion, and a lot of healing abilities for the mighty barbarian. That would be 186 for 5 activations. So many options to build my beloved unique-chaotic-good bands. 
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greyhaze
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| | 06/12/2007 1:51 PM |
| | iirc only the first attack against a sleeping opponent is a crit, after the first hit it wakes up. | |
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Temysry
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| | 06/12/2007 2:17 PM |
| Posted By greyhaze on 06/12/2007 1:51 PM
iirc only the first attack against a sleeping opponent is a crit, after the first hit it wakes up.
That is (mostly) correct. He does wake up after taking any damage, but the attack is not a crit, it's double damage. In this case it doesn't make a difference but it's something many people miss. | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3747 Posts
USA
| | 06/12/2007 3:20 PM |
| Posted By Bring_it_On_DDM on 06/12/2007 11:38 AM
Does anyone think CG is getting too many power creep minis since Blood War or is it just me?
Nope, there are lots of us (see how many folks are Qualifying with CG warbands) agree that CG is getting way too powerful (for their own britches) since Blood War. It would indeed be sad if if CG is being set up to win via power creep, but I do not think so.Â
I hold out final reservations until I see all of the LE pieces in Night Below.Â
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| | *sigh* why CG? why cant it be the suxysux faction again? | |
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| | 06/12/2007 4:05 PM |
| Looking good...
And van, trust us, at one point, it was the "suxysux" fcation
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Ryoga
Underboss
1118 Posts
Colombia - Bogota / Italia
| | 06/12/2007 4:39 PM |
| I agree Bring_it_On_DDM you are not alone in your observation...
CG is getting too powerfull because WoTC is fulling this faction with dirty tricks...
What happend inside WoTC??? no one knows...
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WakeXX
Warlord
10128 Posts
Edinboro PA
| | 06/12/2007 5:41 PM |
| | I agree that Raistlin and Wulfgar provide interesting options for CG. | | | |
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Michael
Warrior
230 Posts
Sydney, Australia
| | 06/13/2007 12:49 AM |
| | Thanks for clarifying greyhaze and Temysry! | |
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Kissmykiester
Sergeant
521 Posts
| | 06/13/2007 2:00 AM |
| Storm Silverhand
Wulfgar
Raistlin
Virtous Charger
Graycloak Ranger
Wolf (tile grabber)
Bat (with a cure moderate for Charger or Rasitlin)
Xelph War (secondary tile grabber)
200 pts - 8 activations - Map Frost Fell
Rasitlin with his perfect targeting goes hog wild with his magic missiles doing 10 points of damage with the graycloak shooting at whatever fodder an opponent uses to shield his tougher units.
Bat or Storm to heal Rasitlin when required. This will force your oppenent to close with you as soon as possible...to his detriment.
Wulfgar has pretty good range too if enemy closes, also with 110 hp he can absorb what damage Rasitlin takes.
Charger acts as a fearless wall or to charge when enemy closes.
If an opposing unit flys over the Charger to engage it gets to face Storm and Wulfgar - lots of damage there.
Yup...CG rules.
Edit: Does Wulfgar cost 53 or 54 points? If it's the latter than the above warband would costs 201 pts...in that case switch the bat for Jozan and another wolf. | |
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Thenameless
Warlord
8644 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 06/13/2007 2:48 AM |
| I agree that CG is getting more powerful at the moment. It's my favourite faction, so it doesn't bother me too much, as I would like CG to win at GenCon in August.
CG seems to have pieces that bend if not break the rules. Most creatures have to make morale checks, but with Storm Silverhand you can make it so that key pieces are fearless. Most area of effect damage is hampered by two things: 1) an element type which can be resisted and 2) a save DC for half damage. Storm's Silverfire offers none of these weaknesses. Most warbands can rely on commander effects to help out when the slug-fest begins (eg. +2 to hit, improved critical) but Storm's countersong stops that.
Now we have Wulfgar. Most commanders that are willing to follow are low cost creatures. Wulfgar is high cost, and can still benefit.
Wild Elf Warsinger's bonus to charge damage "seems" like a commander effect, but we all know that its mechanics are far superior to those of a commander effect.
Virtuous Charger. Most things can only attack once after moving. This guy can "side-step" 12 squares.
Now we have that new CG leader that gives archers side-step. A perfect remedy for their uselessness after being based.
And Raistlin. The HP aren't as low as an Elf Pyromancer's AND he has a way of boosting his HP total artificially. Plus, perfect targeting is really more of a total rule-breaker, and not just a rule-bender.
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Sirohk
Commander
3747 Posts
USA
| | 06/13/2007 3:04 AM |
| Posted By Thenameless on 06/13/2007 2:48 AM
I agree that CG is getting more powerful at the moment. It's my favourite faction, so it doesn't bother me too much, as I would like CG to win at GenCon in August.
CG seems to have pieces that bend if not break the rules. Most creatures have to make morale checks, but with Storm Silverhand you can make it so that key pieces are fearless. Most area of effect damage is hampered by two things: 1) an element type which can be resisted and 2) a save DC for half damage. Storm's Silverfire offers none of these weaknesses. Most warbands can rely on commander effects to help out when the slug-fest begins (eg. +2 to hit, improved critical) but Storm's countersong stops that.
Now we have Wulfgar. Most commanders that are willing to follow are low cost creatures. Wulfgar is high cost, and can still benefit.
Wild Elf Warsinger's bonus to charge damage "seems" like a commander effect, but we all know that its mechanics are far superior to those of a commander effect.
Virtuous Charger. Most things can only attack once after moving. This guy can "side-step" 12 squares.
Now we have that new CG leader that gives archers side-step. A perfect remedy for their uselessness after being based.
And Raistlin. The HP aren't as low as an Elf Pyromancer's AND he has a way of boosting his HP total artificially. Plus, perfect targeting is really more of a total rule-breaker, and not just a rule-bender.
I love it!
::sigh::
And don't forget the Heirophant of the Seven Winds bringing in Elementals and Magical Beasts into CG.Â
The faction to beat in GenCon 2007.Â
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Thenameless
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8644 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 06/13/2007 3:14 AM |
| | I haven't really thought of Elementals and Magical Beasts being brought into CG yet. Anyone already see some strong ideas? | |
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Commander
3747 Posts
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LSD Ruler
Skirmisher
35 Posts
| | 06/13/2007 3:28 AM |
| Maybe CG will be very strong after the NB-Release, but don`t forget about CE with all it`s dragons... Shadow Dragon with LBD will be a very dangerous combination... And, of course, the LGD with Cleric of Order could be a very tough band to beat, especially if you place a fodder piece in your own cone and get +5 dmg with it from an early point of the game for only 3 points... | | | |
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Wraithborne
Commander
3440 Posts
West Virginia
| | 06/13/2007 7:41 AM |
| Posted By Newtoncain on 06/12/2007 11:51 AM Posted By Bring_it_On_DDM on 06/12/2007 11:38 AM
Does anyone think CG is getting too many power creep minis since Blood War or is it just me? 2004-CE wins via Kiddock 2005-LE wins via Fenris 2006-LG wins via Derry 2007-CG is poised to win So power creep for CG is A Ok w/ me. Then Desert of Des can reset the playing field.
Â
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iluvxtina
Underboss
1471 Posts
Spain
| | 06/13/2007 9:08 AM |
| | silverhand+wulgar sounds brutal...but I prefer raistlin.I cannot wait to see in practice what this guy can do. | |
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froffenhoffer
Sergeant
702 Posts
| | 06/13/2007 9:08 AM |
| Posted By Autoxdsm on 06/10/2007 9:24 PM Ironically, having Storm in the same army as Wulfgar makes Wulfgar's CFX much less useful. I don't think anyone will care. Wulfgar adds the extra commander for rallying if strom doesn't have LOS.
Are you sure about that?
Fearless : Always Succeeds on morale saves.
It never mentions that it doesnt roll a save, just that it always Succeeds. | |
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| | 06/13/2007 2:51 PM |
| Posted By Wraithborne on 06/13/2007 7:41 AM Posted By Newtoncain on 06/12/2007 11:51 AM Posted By Bring_it_On_DDM on 06/12/2007 11:38 AM
Does anyone think CG is getting too many power creep minis since Blood War or is it just me? 2004-CE wins via Kiddock 2005-LE wins via Fenris 2006-LG wins via Derry 2007-CG is poised to win So power creep for CG is A Ok w/ me. Then Desert of Des can reset the playing field. Â
Like a nuclear warhead...
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Sirohk
Commander
3747 Posts
USA
| | 06/13/2007 3:04 PM |
| Posted By Wraithborne on 06/13/2007 7:41 AM Posted By Newtoncain on 06/12/2007 11:51 AM Posted By Bring_it_On_DDM on 06/12/2007 11:38 AM
Does anyone think CG is getting too many power creep minis since Blood War or is it just me? 2004-CE wins via Kiddock 2005-LE wins via Fenris 2006-LG wins via Derry 2007-CG is poised to win So power creep for CG is A Ok w/ me. Then Desert of Des can reset the playing field. Indeed, I hope that it does.
Please noooooooooo!Â
Skewing the game to get a certain faction or another to win a Championship would be horrible. The game and factions appeared to become much more balanced after Blood War, but have become horribly skewed towards CG since then that sadly it appears to be the case this year.Â
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Ryoga
Underboss
1118 Posts
Colombia - Bogota / Italia
| | 06/13/2007 3:23 PM |
| SIROHK: did you really think that after Blood wars factions seem balanced ??? Men... LE units in this set is only great for RPG users, GREAT sculpts but Tier 2 stats.
if each year teh champion ship is destined to an faction this game will fall.... the people (including me) want taht teh game has teh same chance.... LUCK, RANDOM, Tactic.... for each faction...
I promise... If CG win this year I will....
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Sirohk
Commander
3747 Posts
USA
| | 06/13/2007 3:35 PM |
| Posted By Ryoga on 06/13/2007 3:23 PM
SIROHK: did you really think that after Blood wars factions seem balanced ??? Men... LE units in this set is only great for RPG users, GREAT sculpts but Tier 2 stats.
if each year teh champion ship is destined to an faction this game will fall.... the people (including me) want taht teh game has teh same chance.... LUCK, RANDOM, Tactic.... for each faction...
I promise... If CG win this year I will....
Ryoga
LE did get a lot of clunkers in Blood War (ie Horned Devil, Ice Devil), but then again it did get the FGFP and the Greenspawn Sneak. And Urthok, FGFP, x2 DC warbands and variations of this looked pretty solid.Â
Of course CG got Storm, Shadowdancers, Bralani, and VNCÂ and a few others (and access to a number of LG pieces via Storm).Â
Then in Unhallowed CE got the Large Black Dragon and LE got the Ultraloth. While CG got a good number of pieces (CWW, Virtuous Charger).Â
Although in the Qualifiers CG Storm PORC and CE multi LBD showed up the most, LE did do ok and LG made a few top four showings with the Ballista and a few others.Â
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vanrulzz
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2341 Posts
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| | 06/13/2007 3:39 PM |
| WHYYYYYYYY must CG always be good? WHYYYYYYY? can't LE have some love? come on Wizards, give Uncle Van a kiss  (bad memories, believe me) ok but we need better bands than UltroForge, Ultro Champs, UltroHorror, and UltroTroll. (notice a theme with these bands?) | |
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Ryoga
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1118 Posts
Colombia - Bogota / Italia
| | 06/13/2007 3:43 PM |
| If LE continue getting 2 good pieces per set never will be competative ... Other faction looks good....
But 2 decent pieces dont make a good set for a faction... how many good units get the otehr factions in Blood wars? | |
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