Ryoga
Underboss
1116 Posts
    
Colombia - Bogota / Italia
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Kobold Trap Maker
Lawful Evil, 10 Points
L/S:4 S:6 AC:14 HP:15
Melee: +1 (5)
Ranged: +0 (5)
Type: Small Humanoid - Kobold - Reptilian
Special Abilities:
Jittery
Set Trap [][] (Replaces attacks: Place a trap counter in an adjacent
square; on its turn, any creature that moves into the counter's square
or any square adjacent to the counter, or that activates within these
squares triggers the trap's effect; once it is triggered, remove the
counter from the battle map) Crushing Stone (20 damage to triggering
creature, DC 15 negates) | |
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GuJiaXian
Sergeant
636 Posts
Holladay, Utah
| | 06/18/2007 12:56 PM |
| | Excellent. I can always use more targets...er, kobolds for my roleplaying campaign. | |
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Ryoga
Underboss
1116 Posts
Colombia - Bogota / Italia
| | 06/18/2007 12:59 PM |
| | DC 15 negates kill this unit.... sad soo sad | |
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warty_nosed_goblin
Underboss
1384 Posts
| | 06/18/2007 1:53 PM |
| | Against all but fodder yes, but the traps could be used pretty creatively to prevent enemies from being able to flank I suppose... | |
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Pedro
Commander
3775 Posts
Czech Republic
| | 06/18/2007 3:13 PM |
| | Unusable in skirmish. Would you like to waste 10 points on something, that will maybe kill a Bat? Or would you take Mialee instead and kill it outright? | |
3 No can has other ceiling cat!! U gotz other Ceiling Cat, I shoot yous wit mah lazer eyes.
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Sirohk
Commander
3714 Posts
USA
| | 06/18/2007 3:43 PM |
| Nice piece, but for a cost of 10 points it will see little action.Â Â 
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3754 Posts
Adelaide
| | 06/18/2007 4:05 PM |
| I hates it
Stop with wards, traps and the like.
Over complicates skirmish which is getting complicated enough with different map terrians without needing more counters subsituing for effects on the map. And with impending mounted rules to throw into mix.
/rant
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Pedro
Commander
3775 Posts
Czech Republic
| | 06/18/2007 4:12 PM |
| | I like the trap idea, well, at least useful trap idea, not this | |
3 No can has other ceiling cat!! U gotz other Ceiling Cat, I shoot yous wit mah lazer eyes.
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greyhaze
Warlord
5473 Posts
| | 06/18/2007 4:12 PM |
| Posted By Pedro on 06/18/2007 3:13 PM
Unusable in skirmish. Would you like to waste 10 points on something, that will maybe kill a Bat? Or would you take Mialee instead and kill it outright? Mialee can't be pulled in to LE. I think the best use of the trapmaker is to provide a little protection to your back yard, and the second is to run it up and drop a trap directly ontop of a low save beater before it activates and hope for the 20 damage. It's not a great piece, and I agree, imo overcosted, but these'd be the two best uses I could think of (other than trapping an enemy only VA). | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3754 Posts
Adelaide
| | 06/18/2007 4:17 PM |
| Needed scout  | |
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Pedro
Commander
3775 Posts
Czech Republic
| | 06/18/2007 4:19 PM |
| Posted By greyhaze on 06/18/2007 4:12 PM Posted By Pedro on 06/18/2007 3:13 PM
Unusable in skirmish. Would you like to waste 10 points on something, that will maybe kill a Bat? Or would you take Mialee instead and kill it outright? Mialee can't be pulled in to LE. I think the best use of the trapmaker is to provide a little protection to your back yard, and the second is to run it up and drop a trap directly ontop of a low save beater before it activates and hope for the 20 damage. It's not a great piece, and I agree, imo overcosted, but these'd be the two best uses I could think of (other than trapping an enemy only VA).
It was just an example, but otherwise you are correct. | |
3 No can has other ceiling cat!! U gotz other Ceiling Cat, I shoot yous wit mah lazer eyes.
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scruffydude7
Underboss
1196 Posts
Rock Hill, SC
| | 06/18/2007 4:26 PM |
| | I kinda like it. It might take a bit of creativity to use it, but I think it could be useful in some circumstances. What I want to know is how the Kobold avoids setting off his own trap the round after he sets it. | |
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Autoxdsm
Sergeant
814 Posts
Myrtle Beach, SC
| | 06/18/2007 4:37 PM |
| What I want to know is how the Kobold avoids setting off his own trap the round after he sets it.
I was thinking the same thing. | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3754 Posts
Adelaide
| | 06/18/2007 4:39 PM |
| | Place trap and move, dont move and place trap. | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1550 Posts
Portland OR
| | 06/18/2007 6:27 PM |
| I like the wards and traps!!! brings back the ability to control the battle field that tiles used to have... I'm hoping/thinking Evards tentacles will use it too.
complex piece to work and not kill yerself... too bad he's not immune to his own traps... by the wording it looks like they are thinking more traps for the future... interesting...
yet another piece that would probably get used if it wasn't for "save negates" even save reduces dmg to 5 would work...
scout would have made him emmensely more useful... | |
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MAURIZIO
Sergeant
909 Posts
Lima, Perú
| | 06/18/2007 7:21 PM |
| if only this little fellow have speed 10, or scout, to better use that. But if you forgot to setup and run, and do the opposite it was devastating.
DC 15 negates is the worst of all. | |
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Draxx
Sergeant
376 Posts
| | 06/18/2007 10:17 PM |
| heres a thought, can a single square be trapped multiple times? at dc15 its a rather low save but what if a creature was forced to take 2 traps, now what if the kobolds were to trap subsequent squares so that an area like the keep? if all 4 victory area squares are covered it could be amusing. the other thought is on a map like hellspike, a quare can make turn 1-2 tilegrabbers a more risky option in that the 2x2 or other area is unsafe as the trap threatens adjacent squares.
anywhoo just saying might be more depth to this mini
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WakeXX
Warlord
10122 Posts
Edinboro PA
| | 06/18/2007 10:44 PM |
| | I don't think this will see much play.... | | | |
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SYB
Warrior
328 Posts
| | 06/18/2007 10:46 PM |
| It is easy for the trapmaker to avoid the trap. The wording on the trap is "on its turn ...... moves INTO the trap square or an adjacent square". Since the trapmaker is adjacent when it places the trap, it just needs to back away from the trap after placing it. Or alternately, place it adjacent to an enemy that has yet to activate that round. If you are feeling really froggy, you can "motivate" him with the Marshal to get him out of Dodge.
Overall, I think this piece has potential. It costs 10 points, which is the same amount as one turn worth of victory points. And, the trap has a very good chance of preventing your opponent from getting victory points for at least one round (tile grabber goes boom!). If played on maps with far away victory areas (but close to the other side), it can be very easy to trap the victory area before an opponent's tile grabber gets to it. Also, 20 damage is not something easy to ignore. Storm PORC is flush with mid to low level pieces, making a DC 15 reasonably dangerous. Finally, after the traps are layed, the little guy can run around taking pot shots with his ranged attack. Sure, it isn't likely to hit, but it gives him something to do and doesn't require him to risk himself while doing it.
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Autoxdsm
Sergeant
814 Posts
Myrtle Beach, SC
| | 06/19/2007 12:22 AM |
| | If he has to place the trap and move then he is REALLY bad because there is no way it would be effective. | |
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Pedro
Commander
3775 Posts
Czech Republic
| | 06/19/2007 4:41 AM |
| Posted By SYB on 06/18/2007 10:46 PM
It is easy for the trapmaker to avoid the trap. The wording on the trap is "on its turn ...... moves INTO the trap square or an adjacent square". Since the trapmaker is adjacent when it places the trap, it just needs to back away from the trap after placing it. Or alternately, place it adjacent to an enemy that has yet to activate that round. If you are feeling really froggy, you can "motivate" him with the Marshal to get him out of Dodge.
-SYB
Set Trap [][] (Replaces attacks: Place a trap counter in an adjacent square; on its turn, any creature that moves into the counter's square or any square adjacent to the counter, or that activates within these squares triggers the trap's effect; once it is triggered, remove the counter from the battle map) Crushing Stone (20 damage to triggering creature, DC 15 negates)
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3 No can has other ceiling cat!! U gotz other Ceiling Cat, I shoot yous wit mah lazer eyes.
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Wolfgang
Underboss
2328 Posts
Milton, Ontario Canada
| | 06/19/2007 8:41 AM |
| | I can't see this being used in skirmish at all | |
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warty_nosed_goblin
Underboss
1384 Posts
| | 06/19/2007 2:50 PM |
| | One interesting note is that it appears that the trap will effect something no matter if its flying, burrowing, incorporeal or what have you. Another is that it is apparently legal to trap a pit square. Probably will never be done, but still worth noting. And finally, I'm just waiting for the story of how somebody killed a Bahamut with one of this little guy's traps in epic...ones, they happen- even to gods. | |
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juanchoquinche
Sneak
161 Posts
colombia/bogota
| | 06/19/2007 3:45 PM |
| | thank you for the spoiler RYOGA | |
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Wraithborne
Commander
3427 Posts
West Virginia
| | 06/19/2007 6:59 PM |
| | As I feared, useless........ | |
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MAURIZIO
Sergeant
909 Posts
Lima, Perú
| | 06/21/2007 12:14 AM |
| Posted By Wraithborne on 06/19/2007 6:59 PM
As I feared, useless........
You still can use it in RPG, or use it in 50 points format in a kobold warband against Gobos =)
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iluvxtina
Underboss
1443 Posts
Spain
| | 06/21/2007 1:02 AM |
| | Probably another skirmish useless creature but...what did you espect?It is a common monster.RPG masters will have another kobold (we do not need more but...it is ok).It could be funny in drow outpost if you put the mini in the narrow path.but dc negates makes this kobold useless | |
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Wraithborne
Commander
3427 Posts
West Virginia
| | 06/21/2007 2:40 AM |
| | I likely won't want it for RPG either, as it's a very niche piece. | |
Hey Woman, Hey Woman!! Listen here. Since your ol' man ain't got no heart, maybe you'd like to see a real man. I bet you stay up late every night dreamin' you had a real man, don't ya'? I tell you what, bring your pretty little self over to my apartment tonight and I'll show you a real man!
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greyhaze
Warlord
5473 Posts
| | 06/21/2007 7:50 AM |
| | rpg-wise, I kinda picture this guy as a kobold that's working on something, he could fit in to a village scenario fairly well, but as a common - that's just plain too many of em. | |
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