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Hero of Skirmish
doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
    
 | | 06/21/2007 12:10 PM |
| Competitive Pure LG Minis in:
Unhallowed: Cormyrean War Wizard, Shield Guardian
Blood War: Elf Warmage (maybe), Kolyarut (maybe), Solar, Thundertusk Calvary (maybe)
War of the Dragon Queen: Aasimar Fighter, Cleric of Syreth (maybe), Tordek (maybe)
War Drums: Arcane Ballista, Arcanix Guard, Sacred Watcher, Warforged Bodyguard, Warforged Scout Competitive Pure CG Minis in:
Unhallowed: Air Mephit (maybe), Asura, Cleric of Sune (maybe), Dwarf Battlerager (maybe), Virtuous Charger, Wild Elf Warsinger
Blood War: Bralani Eladrin, Gnome Trickster, Shadowdancer, Storm Silverhand, Valenar Nomad Charger
War of the Dragon Queen: Small Copper Dragon (maybe), Tavern Brawler
War Drums: Steelheart Archer (maybe) Competitive Pure LE Minis in:
Unhallowed: Duergar Slaver, Inspired Shock Trooper, Ultroloth
Blood War: Greenspawn Sneak, Fire Giant Forgepriest, Kobold Monk, Pit Fiend (maybe)
War of the Dragon Queen: Blackguard on Nightmare (maybe), Large Green Dragon
War Drums: Inspired Lieutenant (maybe), Large Duergar, Shuluth (maybe), Zakya Rakshasa Competitive Pure CE minis in:
Unhallowed: Large Black Dragon, Thraal of Blackrazor, Vampire Dire Wolf (maybe), Werewolf Lord
Blood War: Marilith (maybe), Vlaakith the Lich Queen (maybe)
War of the Dragon Queen: N/A
War Drums: Hill Giant Barbarian (maybe), Orc Wardrummer, Quaggoth Slave, Troglodyte Thug So...
Unhallowed
LG: 2
CG: 3 (6)
LE: 3
CE: 3 (4) Blood War
LG: 1 (4)
CG: 5
LE: 3 (4)
CE: 0 (2) War of the Dragon Queen:
LG: 1 (3)
CG: 1 (2)
LE: 1 (2)
CE: 0 War Drums:
LG: 5
CG: 0 (1)
LE: 2 (4)
CE: 3 (4)
So if you include only the hard-core definitely competitive minis you get...
LG: 9
CG: 9
LE: 9
CE: 6
A pretty even spread across the factions with CE getting the least. Which shouldn't be too surprising as CE has been shafted for a long, long time until recently. If you include the borderline, probably competitive pieces..
LG: 14
CG: 14
LE: 13
CE: 10 Then LE is in slightly worse shape than the good factions, but CE is still the clear loser. Now lets take Night Below into the equation...
LG: Champion of Dol Dorn (maybe), Delver Sergeant, Large Gold Dragon
CG: Dire Tiger, Halfling Tombseeker (maybe), Hierophant of the Seven Winds (maybe), Warpriest of Vandria (maybe), Wulfgar
LE: Aspect of Loviatar (maybe), Assassin, Exarch of Tyranny (maybe), Greater Barghest, Hobgoblin Marshal, Prisoner (maybe), Skeletal Courser (maybe)
CE: Babau, Dracotaur Rager (maybe), Frost Giant Jarl (maybe), Large Shadow Dragon, Large White Dragon, Orc Banebreak Rider (maybe) So, at least from my perspective, it seems that all the factions except for Lawful Good are getting something with this set. This kind of annoys me as my favorite faction is Lawful Good, and it seems to be in the dumps right now, but I imagine things will turn around again some time soon. Lawful Evil definitely has nothing to complain about. Its not been first place for awhile, but it has been pretty consistently second place up until this qualifier season came about. I see no reason to complain about its current piece selection and prospects.
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Wraithborne
Commander
4490 Posts
The Red Light District
| | 06/21/2007 12:33 PM |
| | The main issue for me with LE is not getting good pieces, but pieces that are not just good on their own but actually synergize to form a stronger, coherent group. LE has a lot of "almost there" pieces that could "be there" with the right synergy and they have a ton of possibilities dangling in the wind. | |
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Draxx
Sergeant
376 Posts
| | 06/21/2007 12:42 PM |
| CE and CG have much easier synnergies whereas the typical LE commander effect is: +hit, tyranical moral, or near useless (rakshasa, yugoloth, soth (with abberations)). also the typical LE beater mold is centralized upon the deurgar champ/chraal model whereas the chaotic beaters baseline is much more attractive to people, fast lvl 7-9, hits for 20-30, high hp.
my main gripe is the shift in what LE has become since my departure from the game after underdark. when i joined LE was the cool special abilities faction. with the beholder, mindflayers, destrachan, gauths, hexblades, and wherewithall. now its this more melee orientated faction and CG is picking up the flavor that i desired with the CWW and other casters. hopefully lady vol and the alhoon (those black tentacles better be damn good, or else) and give that feel back. its not that I dislike melee bands but the Pitfiend/hextor and Ultraforge bands are too brutish in execution for my tastes. that being said, high inquisitor with ogre executioner is more of what im talking about, its ticky LE. | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3930 Posts
USA
| | 06/21/2007 12:50 PM |
| Posted By doubtofbuddha on 06/21/2007 12:10 PM A pretty even spread across the factions with CE getting the least. Which shouldn't be too surprising as CE has been shafted for a long, long time until recently. If you include the borderline, probably competitive pieces..
LG: 14
CG: 14
LE: 13
CE: 10
Then LE is in slightly worse shape than the good factions, but CE is still the clear loser.
Now lets take Night Below into the equation...
LG: Champion of Dol Dorn (maybe), Delver Sergeant, Large Gold Dragon
CG: Dire Tiger, Halfling Tombseeker (maybe), Hierophant of the Seven Winds (maybe), Warpriest of Vandria (maybe), Wulfgar
LE: Aspect of Loviatar (maybe), Assassin, Exarch of Tyranny (maybe), Greater Barghest, Hobgoblin Marshal, Prisoner (maybe), Skeletal Courser (maybe)
CE: Babau, Dracotaur Rager (maybe), Frost Giant Jarl (maybe), Large Shadow Dragon, Large White Dragon, Orc Banebreak Rider (maybe)
So, at least from my perspective, it seems that all the factions except for Lawful Good are getting something with this set. This kind of annoys me as my favorite faction is Lawful Good, and it seems to be in the dumps right now, but I imagine things will turn around again some time soon. Lawful Evil definitely has nothing to complain about. Its not been first place for awhile, but it has been pretty consistently second place up until this qualifier season came about. I see no reason to complain about its current piece selection and prospects.Â
Nice analysis.Â
And I agree whole heartilty. It looks like LE is getting some pretty decent pieces in this set even with the dissappointment of the Dread Wraith stats. Furthermore, although LE is getting some decent pieces in this set (and in previous sets), I agree with others that LE seems to lack some synergies that might make all those almost pieces more compentitve.Â
And I agree that overall CE has really not got any lovin in a long time until the Large Black Dragon.Â
And further LG does not seem to be getting pieces that are keeping up wth the meta and the power creep. Could this be because of LG winning the Championship last year?Â
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greyhaze
Warlord
6920 Posts
| | 06/21/2007 12:52 PM |
| I'm gonna agree with Wraithborne, there just doesn't seem to be the right synergy. Some of those that are deemed good in LE just don't stack up due to cost, they are often just too costly for what they do.
The Zakya's a good piece, but it's unreliable, so you compensate with a high commander rating, but to get that you need to spend points...
the pit fiend costs so much you can only fit in 2 moderate hitters and fodder... the greater barghest will make a little difference at least, but two Zakyas were too weak to screen by themselves.
the fgfp was the first real titan in a long time, and it's killer, but fitting a warband in with it is difficult to the point where only a few combos are viable... either ultroloth + doogie or ultroloth + dragonmark.
I'm not trying to whine cause there have been many good LE pieces, just sharing my PoV. I played LG at the qualifiers and on the VWC, because the only two viable LE warbands appeared to multi-Doogie's or FGFP, and everyone was playing schmirnoff or PORC, and I didn't want to go there. Oft times it also depends what you face in the meta as to what makes a strong piece. | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3930 Posts
USA
| | 06/21/2007 1:04 PM |
| A little more on LE and synergies:
Lacking Synergies:
Ultraloth and what other Yugaloth's?Â
Inspired Lt and what other Psionic creatures? Tsucora? Inspired Shock Trooper?
All those creatures without Magic Weapon that are darn near useless without it?Â
Almost all Undead being overcosted until maybe the Skeletal Courser (still needs Magic Weapon).Â
Good or getting good synegies:
Pit Fiend is finally getting something in the Greater Barghest.Â
FGFP and Ultraloth.Â
Aspect of Hextor with Bodyguard and Assassin(s).Â
Just a few that I can think of.Â
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doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 06/21/2007 1:08 PM |
| Yeah. Also, with the exception of Chaotic Good, the other factions in general haven't been getting a ton of good, synergistic commander effects. Chaotic Evil is especially guilty of this, as one of the more popular recent bands (Triple Large Black) is run with either the Werewolf Lord (commander effect has no effect) or Ryld (commander effect has no effect.)
And don't even get me started on Lawful Good... | |
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Draxx
Sergeant
376 Posts
| | 06/21/2007 1:17 PM |
| | I guess no one else liked the halcyon days of the gauth =( | |
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Pedro
Commander
3926 Posts
Czech Republic
| | 06/21/2007 1:35 PM |
| Posted By doubtofbuddha on 06/21/2007 1:08 PM
Yeah. Also, with the exception of Chaotic Good, the other factions in general haven't been getting a ton of good, synergistic commander effects. Chaotic Evil is especially guilty of this, as one of the more popular recent bands (Triple Large Black) is run with either the Werewolf Lord (commander effect has no effect) or Ryld (commander effect has no effect.)
And don't even get me started on Lawful Good...
Agreed. But the worst problem with LG is speed 4, which sends a lot of otherwise good pieces into oblivion. Cross it out.
I would also like to see more "tricks" in LE, since it's one of my favourites.
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doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 06/21/2007 1:38 PM |
| | Unfortunately the halycon days of the Gauth were when LE was at its lowest ebb. So its hard to look back at them with fondness. | |
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Draxx
Sergeant
376 Posts
| | 06/21/2007 1:47 PM |
| Posted By doubtofbuddha on 06/21/2007 1:38 PM
Unfortunately the halycon days of the Gauth were when LE was at its lowest ebb. So its hard to look back at them with fondness.
eh, i guess it depended on who/what you were playing. tournement wise i made it pretty far but i guess im just a biased. LE was also a less played faction and an underdog instead of a bandwagon event after chraals. I guess it was just more interesting playing LE back then as opposed to running a titain hitter or champs and running a beatfest. | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3930 Posts
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
United States
| | 06/21/2007 3:12 PM |
| You're right, LE doesn't suck.
And, I believe I've found everything I need in NB to keep LE in the running.
LG used to be my favorite faction too. And, perhaps it still is. But, for now, I think LE can play favorite (if the meta doesn't shift too drastically).
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Sirohk
Commander
3930 Posts
USA
| | 06/21/2007 3:19 PM |
| Posted By Vrecknidj on 06/21/2007 3:12 PM You're right, LE doesn't suck. And, I believe I've found everything I need in NB to keep LE in the running. LG used to be my favorite faction too. And, perhaps it still is. But, for now, I think LE can play favorite (if the meta doesn't shift too drastically). Dave
Dave - What do you have up your sleeve? Come on, fess up.Â
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Draxx
Sergeant
376 Posts
| | 06/21/2007 3:29 PM |
| | well the rakasha's build shows a good selection of things. slide/battering ram, slapping hands (god forbid LE get a snake swiftness), paralisis are all tricky abilities. perhaps benign transposition? and perhaps a figgure with an ability that smites every hit, a la arcanix guard for LE as the high inquisitor is as close to improved countersong as its going to get for LE. perhaps another hexblade? as for improving existing synnergies, maybe a deathkiss? a beholderkin overseer? how about umberhulk slaves... abberations and a beater and get all sorts of crazy benefits from trog captain to the naga. | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
United States
| | 06/21/2007 3:34 PM |
| Posted By Sirohk on 06/21/2007 3:19 PM
Dave - What do you have up your sleeve? Come on, fess up.Â
Anti-NOST.
I've tried flamboyance. I've tried super-synergies. I've tried gimmicks. But, those haven't paid off. The only thing that came close to paying off for me (in this style of play) was the Korducopia band.
We'll see, when the cards are in my hands. But I think that LE has some very nice, very low-tech options this year.
But, like I said, it depends rather heavily upon what else we see. I'm kinda hoping Storm is still raging this year....
Dave | |
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Pedro
Commander
3926 Posts
Czech Republic
| | 06/21/2007 3:43 PM |
| Posted By Vrecknidj on 06/21/2007 3:34 PM Posted By Sirohk on 06/21/2007 3:19 PM
Dave - What do you have up your sleeve? Come on, fess up.Â
Anti-NOST. I've tried flamboyance. I've tried super-synergies. I've tried gimmicks. But, those haven't paid off. The only thing that came close to paying off for me (in this style of play) was the Korducopia band. We'll see, when the cards are in my hands. But I think that LE has some very nice, very low-tech options this year. But, like I said, it depends rather heavily upon what else we see. I'm kinda hoping Storm is still raging this year.... Dave | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
United States
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Draxx
Sergeant
376 Posts
| | 06/21/2007 3:46 PM |
| | what exactly defines anti-NOST? is it its-self NOST? | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 06/21/2007 4:35 PM |
| Posted By Draxx on 06/21/2007 3:46 PM
what exactly defines anti-NOST? is it its-self NOST?
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
United States
| | 06/21/2007 7:03 PM |
| By "Anti-NOST" I meant that there wasn't anything secret or techy about the band idea I have.
Presently, I'm thinking along the lines of generic DDM -- hit stuff, kill it.
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Ryoga
Underboss
1124 Posts
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 06/21/2007 7:06 PM |
| Posted By Sirohk on 06/21/2007 1:04 PM A little more on LE and synergies:
Lacking Synergies:
Ultraloth and what other Yugaloth's?Â
Inspired Lt and what other Psionic creatures? Tsucora? Inspired Shock Trooper?
All those creatures without Magic Weapon that are darn near useless without it?Â
Almost all Undead being overcosted until maybe the Skeletal Courser (still needs Magic Weapon).Â
LE has alot fo interesting units but lacks of decents tech, spell casters and Cfx that cna be really interesting....
You cant count if an faction sucks only by Tier 1 amount of units.... LE needs new tech unique spells and tech...
I continue saying that LE = Sucks
Still you do nice analisis Buhda.
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warty_nosed_goblin
Underboss
1384 Posts
| | 06/21/2007 7:34 PM |
| Posted By Ryoga on 06/21/2007 7:06 PM Posted By Sirohk on 06/21/2007 1:04 PM A little more on LE and synergies:
Lacking Synergies:
Ultraloth and what other Yugaloth's?Â
Inspired Lt and what other Psionic creatures? Tsucora? Inspired Shock Trooper?
All those creatures without Magic Weapon that are darn near useless without it?Â
Almost all Undead being overcosted until maybe the Skeletal Courser (still needs Magic Weapon).Â
I agree Sirohk about lack of synergi. LE has alot fo interesting units but lacks of decents tech, spell casters and Cfx that cna be really interesting.... You cant count if an faction sucks only by Tier 1 amount of units.... LE needs new tech unique spells and tech... I continue saying that LE = Sucks Still you do nice analisis Buhda. Ryoga
I'm very confused here, why can't you tell if a faction sucks or not by the number of combative pieces it can field. Let's face it, Ultroforge is one of the most powerful titan warbands the game has ever seen, ultrochamps might loose out to ultroforge, but is still quite a compitant multi-hitter warband, pit fiend + the new bhargast is good etc. LE might lack a unifying pieces like Storm Silverhand or the Large Black Dragon/Werewolf Lord, but its far far away from sucking. I played LE when it sucked, and its current state is a far cry from those days. | |
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MuscledDestroyer
Sergeant
435 Posts
Prospect Park, Pa
| | 06/21/2007 8:08 PM |
| | LE doesn't suck but it sure feels like it does sometimes. It enjoys Ultroforge but Ultro synergizes with nothing. I cant count how many times I've seen LE commanders and said they must have something coming in a future set because there's nothing now. They also dont have support pieces except Dragonmark(Kobold sorceror? You get burned for Com 1). I dont think too many people put together warbands to counter LE. War Troll should have been given 2 magic attacks. | |
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Sergeant
951 Posts
Lima, Perú
| | 06/21/2007 9:27 PM |
| Sinergy is the Key word for LE. the only nice commander effect is attack bonus, tyranical morale, and Rakhasa commander effect, no others, for the most warbands, Ultroforge don´t benefice for Ultroloth CFx.
Support pieces:
Dragonmark Heir of Deneith
Dark Moon Monk
Bone Naga
Night Hag
Beholder
Beholder Lich
Gauth
Witchknife
Half-Elf Hexblade
FlameSkull
Direguard
Snig the Axe (activation control)
Kobold Sorcerer
Goblin Adept
Blue
Destrachan
OK, what of those are Tier-1?
2, 3 maybe 4?
I put just non commander, except for Snig and K.Sorcerer. What do you think, comparing with Good factions, LE don´t have much support. And that´s my friends is what LE faction need. | |
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vanrulzz
Commander
2558 Posts
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| | 06/21/2007 9:30 PM |
| | GO ULTROFORGE!!! LONG LIVE LE!!!!! | | | |
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Thenameless
Warlord
11768 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 06/22/2007 1:30 AM |
| Posted By vanrulzz on 06/21/2007 9:30 PM
GO ULTROFORGE!!! LONG LIVE LE!!!!!
This is a really nasty warband in general terms. A couple of guys have been bringing it regularly to our local tournaments, and doing some serious damage. Today, I brought a Ballista warband with a Couatl and 2 War Weavers. We played on Grotto. I don't think he'll be bringing Ultroforge next week. | |
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Pedro
Commander
3926 Posts
Czech Republic
| | 06/22/2007 1:55 AM |
| Another thing LE lacks is ranged support. There is nothing that is able to shoot an arrow or something and does not move 2 squares per activation. We need something cheap and potent with magic damage, precision shot-like abilities and maybe a sneak attack.
Also, Phantom Threat looks kinda cool, it's a shame the DC's are only 13. | |
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Underboss
1501 Posts
Spain
| | 06/22/2007 4:02 AM |
| LE warbands:ultroforge/champs
Nice LE pieces: helmed horror,duergar champion,fire giant forge priest,zakya rakshasa,dragonmark heir deneith and ultroloth | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
United States
| | 06/22/2007 5:27 AM |
| Posted By MuscledDestroyer on 06/21/2007 8:08 PM
I cant count how many times I've seen LE commanders and said they must have something coming in a future set ...
Indeed.
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djtool
Sergeant
584 Posts
Crystal MN, USA
| | 06/22/2007 8:07 AM |
| No LE doesn't suck in general.
What LE does suck at is trying to balance the need to fly, the need to catch up to speedy pieces, and the need to kick the crap out of dragons sans acid resist all at the same time. So that's why everyone has bad feeling about the faction. | |
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doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 06/22/2007 10:27 AM |
| | I agree that LE might have trouble balancing that, but the other factions have challenges of their own. | |
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MAURIZIO
Sergeant
951 Posts
Lima, Perú
| | 06/22/2007 11:30 AM |
| Posted By Pedro on 06/22/2007 1:55 AM
Another thing LE lacks is ranged support. There is nothing that is able to shoot an arrow or something and does not move 2 squares per activation. We need something cheap and potent with magic damage, precision shot-like abilities and maybe a sneak attack.
Also, Phantom Threat looks kinda cool, it's a shame the DC's are only 13.
They need something in the range attack option, for now we only have War Troll, Greypeak goblin archer and hobgoblin archer, greenspwan Sneak, but not a decent archer with Magic Damage. | |
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djtool
Sergeant
584 Posts
Crystal MN, USA
| | 06/22/2007 5:21 PM |
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They need something in the range attack option, for now we only have War Troll, Greypeak goblin archer and hobgoblin archer, greenspwan Sneak, but not a decent archer with Magic Damage.
It seems the faction prefers its ranged damage to be magic damage. If you incude spells and SA's as 'ranged damage', the faction has quite a bit. | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7675 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 06/23/2007 11:10 PM |
| LE gets by on the efficiency of pieces, like CE did back in the day.
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Lord_rock
Underboss
2023 Posts
Portland OR
| | 06/24/2007 11:00 AM |
| I have been playing Vlaakith in CE just because it plays like LE used to/ I still think it should play: your not going to miss or make all those saves but your going to miss enough to give your opponent an win if he's playing right.
... Loads of tricks... Fireball, disintigrate, auto dmg, and paralysis all in one piece with good efficientcy... if LE could get all that in 79 pts... wow...
To hit cfx are nice now and again but two of the best ones are easy to get already (urthok and inspired LT). They need new cfx that are viable... Duergar slaver is a great example... good cfx horrible to execute and costly to include... Still so many CFX running around waiting for cool abilities to show and still so many cool abilities running around for good cfxs!!!
Spellcasting in LE comes at a price... pieces are fragile!!! or DC based... both bad... How about some war priests that make the good guys cry a bit... that can't be hit by the choatics with any regularity (and can take more than one hit!)... Getting closer but still not there...
Support... LE needs support... a little cheap and viable ranged support... a little speed... they have some of the best fodder options in the game by far but that won't get you everything!!!
Too many big hitters with one att and too many 30+ cost pieces with half the dmg output of similar costed pieces in other factions!!! then theres the 60+ club!!!
They have so many good pieces that don't work together... so many options and few viable combinations... that could change with this set a bit...
My Duergar psychic warrior would help a lot...
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Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3930 Posts
USA
| | 06/24/2007 1:35 PM |
| Posted By Lord_rock on 06/24/2007 11:00 AM
My Duergar psychic warrior would help a lot...
I like that idea and remember seeing it in another post.Â
A better Duergar Commander, other than the Duergar Slaver, would be real cool. Soemthing that made the DC a little bit better.Â
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Lord_rock
Underboss
2023 Posts
Portland OR
| | 06/25/2007 11:56 AM |
| Well if someone would fly me to gen-con and I win and it was a mini we got to make this year then I might go with my Duergar psychic warrior... or my really badarse undead so LE could have a decent undead piece (probably make him NE though)... thats a few too many ifs...
But really duergar psychic warrior would rock...
LE didn't get as much this set after all looking down the newest spoilers... | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
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doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 06/25/2007 1:02 PM |
| Revised Night Below Competitive Pieces List.
Lawful Good:
Strong Potential: (4) Delver Sergeant, Earth Mephit, Large Gold Dragon, Greyhawk City Militia Sergeant
Some Potential: (5) Arcadian Avenger, Champion of Dol Dorn, Deep Legionnaire, Shadowbane Inquisitor, Raistlin Majere
No Potential: (5) Brass Golem, Guard of Mithral Hall, Guardian Naga, Kalashtar Bodyguard, Valiant Calvary
Chaotic Good:
Strong Potential (4): Delver Sergeant, Greyhawk City Militia, Dire Tiger, Wulfgar
Some Potential (4): Darkmantle, Giant Eagle, Halfling Tombseeker, Hierophant of the Seven Winds
No Potential (5): Digester, Greater Basilisk, Verdant Reaver, Warpriest of Vandria, Wild Mage
Lawful Evil:
Strong Potential: (5) Assassin, Greater Barghest, Hobgoblin Marshal, Noble Salamander, Kreshnar
Some Potential: (6) Aspect of Loviatar, Exarch of Tyranny, Ice Mephit, Lady Vol, Prisoner, Skeletal Courser,
No Potential: ( Bluespawn Ambusher, Dread Wraith, Greenspawn Zealot, Kobold Trapmaker, Medusa Archer, Mind Flayer Lich, Trained Carrion Crawler, Lifeleech Otyugh
Chaotic Evil:
Strong Potential: (6) Kreshnar, Babau, Clawborn Scorrow, Dracotaur Rager, Large Shadow Dragon, Large White Dragon
Some Potential: (5) Beserk Flesh Golem*, Cerebrilith, Frost Giant Jarl, Kuo-Toa Hunter, Orc Banebreak Rider
No Potential: (7) Lifeleech Otyugh, Carnage Demon, Drow Enforcer, Gnoll Claw Fighter, Kuo-Toa Whip, Large Chaos Beast, Shadow
*Pending Additional Spoiler Information
How does this show that LE didn't get as much this set? Granted it had a lower percentage than the other factions, but in sheer mass of minis, it got more pieces than either of the good factions and about as much pieces with potential as Chaotic Evil.
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I am not gone. | |
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