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Da_Chad
Skirmisher
31 Posts
    
 | | 09/22/2007 5:33 PM |
| I like this fig and I want to make it work so I thought of this.
1x Yuan-Ti Abomination 48
2x Clawborn Scorrow 64
1x Large Deep Dragon 67
3x Loth's Sting
Clawborn dc 20 poison check Loth's Sting DC 17 sleep poison large Deep giving them the +3 attack helps out alot but there are better choices but thats what I can think of for right now if you can think of another way to use Yuan-Ti let me know. | | | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1792 Posts
Portland OR
| | 09/22/2007 6:55 PM |
| Large Deep Dragon is definately your point sink here... also three lolth's stings is a bit much...
Yuan-Ti Ab 48
2x Clawborn 64
Wardrummer 19
Yuan-ti Sorc 51
182... as long as your opponent isn't poison immune you'll be alright... Scarrows will hit better when thier opponent is poisoned and the DC is way up with +4 from Abomination and -4 to saves from wardrummer... Venom fire adds acid to poison dmg each round... should be fun!!! | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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maijstral
Underboss
2105 Posts
| | 09/22/2007 6:59 PM |
| I really like the use of the yuan-ti abomination with the scorrows but I think the Deep dragon dosen't bring enough to the warband for 67 points, It is almost useless as a hitter,its breath weapon is probably the weakest of all the large dragons since it won't effect constructs and incorp at all, so your spending 67 points to give the 5 drow a +3 to hit. I think those 67 points could be spent better, if you want a bit better to hit try the drow wizard, not the best costed piece but with two magic weapons you can get a +1 on your scorrows and now they don't have to worry about DR.You can get both of them in round one if you include a bat with he plus,if you want, you still have enough points for a 3rd scorrow and now you have 9 activations.
You could also concider the drow arachnomancer, Venomous works anywhere on the map and now the scorrow's poison does 10 damage per round.
Edit: just read Lord Rocks post and I think you really should include a wardrummer in there somewhere. | | | |
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Da_Chad
Skirmisher
31 Posts
| | 09/22/2007 8:20 PM |
| Yep you guys are right the dragon is just too many points. I like the Archnomancer it is very useful as 10 damage a turn is alot more potent than 5. Spider of lolth poison becomes dc 19 and with a spirit near by this band can be hard to beat or atleast fun to play with.
Yuan-Ti Abomination 48
Drow Archnomancer 52
2x Clawborn Scorrows 64
2x Cursed Spirits 22
1x Spider of Lolth 9
1x Timber Wolf 5
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1792 Posts
Portland OR
| | 09/22/2007 10:17 PM |
| I just wish the 2 Yuan-Ti commanders didn't cost so darn much!!! you can really only afford one or the other and have triple beats. The abomination is pretty decent himself but probably needs some recosting!!! good thing I'm just the man for the job!!!
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Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3812 Posts
USA
| | 09/23/2007 5:07 AM |
| Why not run: Yuan Ti Abomination 48 x4 Claw Born Scorrow 128 Orc War Drummer 19 Hunting Hyena 5 200 points, x7 Activations
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1792 Posts
Portland OR
| | 09/23/2007 8:29 AM |
| 5 large bases is my first thought...
CE is lacking in med sized hitters these days! I tried the Babau but +9 just isn't cutting it... sure +11 with flanking for 25 is great but its not magic and there are just about 1 too many non-sneakables out there these days...
Still worth a shot... Clawborns are pretty tough overall. | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10300 Posts
United States
| | 09/23/2007 4:30 PM |
| Just go crazy with the saves.
Yuan-Ti Abomination
Thrall of Blackrazor
Clawborn Scorrow x2
Cursed Spirit x2
Troglodyte Thug x2
The Yuan-Ti gives a +4 to the poison DC, the Spirit a -2 to the save and the Thug a -2 to the save. That really screws with the opponent's ability to avoid the poison. Top if off with Thrall running lose eating fodder and you've got yourself a blast. If you time the Thug and Spirit right, then if Thrall dies, the save for that is effectively DC 24.
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1792 Posts
Portland OR
| | 09/24/2007 4:44 PM |
| | I like the wardrummer for save nerfs then the flexibility to shift to moral in CE. Devoting 4 acts to save nerfs seems a bit much when you can get the same out of 1 piece and for less than half as much. Wardrummer + one cursed spirit is probably enough... and besides, wardrummer becomes a big target and the cursed spirit is just annoying and a great screener. | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Thenameless
Warlord
9043 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 09/24/2007 7:24 PM |
| Posted By Lord_rock on 09/22/2007 6:55 PM
182... as long as your opponent isn't poison immune you'll be alright... Scarrows will hit better when thier opponent is poisoned and the DC is way up with +4 from Abomination and -4 to saves from wardrummer... Venom fire adds acid to poison dmg each round... should be fun!!!
Note, that the Orc Wardrummer will not drop a creature's save versus the poison DC. Intimidating drum beat is only a -4 to enemy morale checks. | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1792 Posts
Portland OR
| | 09/24/2007 9:45 PM |
| one word:
Do'h!!! | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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pana1999yote
Skirmisher
18 Posts
| | 09/25/2007 6:33 AM |
| The Large Deep Dragon is OK, and is good with Scorrows and drow in general of course. It's breath weapon is not as bad as some make it out to be - those same constructs and incorporeal creatures aren't going to be affected by poison either. I don't buy the argument that the Yuan-ti Abomination or Drow Arachnomancer are better choices than the L. Deep Dragon.
I've played this with good success:
Ryld Argith 55/55
Large Deep Dragon 67/122
Clawborn Scorrow 32/154
Mounted Drow Patrol 27/181
Hunting Hyena 5/186
Orc Brute 8/194
Gnoll x2 6/200
Map: Hailstorm Tower (the one with the central sacred circle victory area)
In my opinion, the Scorrow needs to hit in order to work well. So the deep dragon is very good, and the scorrow can get to the sacred circle in the second round, where it gets another +2 to hit and magic damage. Throw in some flanking, and you almost can't miss with Grab and Sting, which is a much more potent ability than poison.
The deep dragon's breath weapon is powerful (about as good as a Large Black Dragon's.) It is pretty hard to kill (100hp, AC 20), and if you can get it into the sacred circle, it does quite well.
Ryld and the Drow Patrol also benefit from the LDD. Ryld helps you win this map. The fodder benefit from Ryld's commander effect. The Hyena grabs first turn victory points. | | | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1792 Posts
Portland OR
| | 09/25/2007 4:47 PM |
| But the only thing that the Deep Dragon is bringing to the band is the +3 to hit... go with a lg black and get +2 moral (which the scarrow also needs), better dmg output, better bw, and just flank with it for +2 to att! at much much fewer points.
Yes Lg deep can net you +5 to att in the same way but I don't feel it's a good buy at 67... It's probably one of the dragons that will get voted into allstars as it is not likely to be resculpted/rereleased without it.
But the whole point of the thread was to make the Abomination work, not the scarrow. The abomination just happens to pair so well with the scarrow.
Yuan Ti Abomination 48
Yuan Ti Sorc 51
Scarrow x2 64
Xendric champion 23
bat familiar 6
Hyena x2 8
200pts, 8 acts, cmd 4
The sorc envenoms the xendric's att and the Abominations cfx make it dc 20... the Scarrows hit +14/14/12 for 20/20/15 vs. poisoned foes. Then the bat delivers venomfire and flanks to top it all off. Pretty nasty really. Hyena's tile grab, flank, and activate.
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Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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DinoBen
Sergeant
407 Posts
Based outta Games of Berkeley, CA
| | 09/27/2007 3:04 PM |
| | Check out PREVIEW 4, there's a new and fairly reasonably costed Yuan-Ti you could add to your band... | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1792 Posts
Portland OR
| | 09/27/2007 4:04 PM |
| Came here to talk just about that very thing!
It sounds like another commander from DoD will take place of one of the Yuan ti cmders. Is the Drow Spider Priest a common commander!?!?!?
It doesn't have the abomination but:
Yuan Ti Sorc 51
Champion of Zehir 36
Scarrow x2 64
Xendric champ 23
Bat 6
180... room for that common cmd maybe too! But the new commander sounds like it will do the job of both Yuan-ti cmders in one and is definatelly going to be cheaper... | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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MAURIZIO
Sergeant
930 Posts
Lima, Perú
| | 09/30/2007 10:45 AM |
| | Use champion of Zehir, is good for my beloved Yuan-Ti Abomination. | |
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