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MuscledDestroyer
Sergeant
435 Posts
    
Prospect Park, Pa
 | | 11/13/2007 8:59 PM |
| I havent seen it yet not really even much of a contribution. Merc Gen alot of talk so far . Mount ; cant find much of a reason to mount and loose an activation. Rage Drake and Eye/Orc Champ? Unproven.
I'm not being sarcastic but I just dont know. i really want to examine this. I'm not seeing much at the tournament and casual play. The boards seem to be drying up prematurely.I'm thinking there isn't much to it. Please what has changed? | |
Champion of Grape Juice. Its delicious. | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1777 Posts
Portland OR
| | 11/13/2007 9:14 PM |
| I don't think we've played enough yet to see real change... add that to 2.0 run up and you're probably not going to see a lot. If I play a game using a new piece, trust me you'll hear about it.
Here are what I see as possible power pieces after my pre release experience and mental exercises...
LG: Dwarves and merchant guards are totally viable options.
CG: Bruenar might be fun in CG too... merchant gaurds are nice here too... cliffwalk archer is totally a ranged threat! Eternal blade may be best CG commander out there... I could see both the merc general and CCDragon making a bit of a splash.
LE: good stuff. Astral stalkers fill out their stable of hitters in a very excellent way (see threads). Sagbaron is an excellent fighting commander with reach, cmd 5 (see threads). Nightmare, osyluth, shadar kai, shadowmastiff, manticore, and spinded devil all are unproven but could change things up a bit.
CE: rage drake sure looks good on paper. Yuan-ti sure look good on paper (see threads). Umber Hulk delver sure looks good on paper. Flame archon: great piece. Kind of piece CE needed before dragons took over thier faction, but still good. Drow starting to look better with new commanders (scarrow and Xendric champs in particular-see threads)
And that's about all I have to say about that. | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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MuscledDestroyer
Sergeant
435 Posts
Prospect Park, Pa
| | 11/13/2007 9:30 PM |
| | I agree about Osyluth. If you get hit with the poison you got a real problem.Just what to use with it? Maybe multiples? | |
Champion of Grape Juice. Its delicious. | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1777 Posts
Portland OR
| | 11/13/2007 11:09 PM |
| | Check out the astral stalker thread in Skirmish... hehehe... makes poisonings HURT even more... | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3779 Posts
USA
| | 11/14/2007 3:31 AM |
| Potential scores from DoD:
Dwarf Maulfighter - solid
Bruenor - decent commander in dwarf warbands (better than BPM IMO)
Elf Conjurer looks very solid in CG warbands.�
Eternal Blade - maybe the best new CG Commander out there
Merc General - a lot of promise
Astral Stalker - in multiples or in LE Quad, a decent addition to LE
Rage Drake - needs testing
Flame Archon - an elemental that does not require commander, very solid
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doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 11/14/2007 9:22 AM |
| | Definitely. I am working on something about that right now... | |
I am not gone. | |
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DinoBen
Sergeant
407 Posts
Based outta Games of Berkeley, CA
| | 11/14/2007 12:42 PM |
| First, I agree with everything above, good call!
Somebody mentioned something about Werewolf Champs w/ Werewolf Lord... let's see how that does. The Champs may be the new "Orc Champs" for those who can't afford or can't find Orc Champs. I mean, +15/+10 for 30 damage after they've taken damage with Bloodlust from the WWLord? Maybe...
If Mounted Rules ever get clarified, the Nightmare is a very solid piece. Just add a dash of Hobgoblin Marshall...
Oh, and who needs a Human Commoner for 3-pt filler now that there's a pig-wielding Human Farmer!!!
My $0.02
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lingster
Sergeant
778 Posts
| | 11/14/2007 1:00 PM |
| Rage Drake I tested last weekend with decent reults.
No one wanted to engage the drake and his Eye. The combo was too much to handle unless I made the first move.
I ended up coming in 3rd. Not bad. Not great either. A little tweaking and the band could have been better I'm sure of it. | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10252 Posts
United States
| | 11/21/2007 10:28 AM |
| I have enjoyed Lady Vol with the Blood of Vol Fanatic, but I don't think it's competitive.
Presently, I'd say that the new options for dwarves are probably important to the meta, and the Capricious Copper is a piece that you have to be able to deal with or you're a goner. That said, the CCD isn't necessarily the best piece in the game, (although it's very good), and it's priced very well so that we're not going to see nothing but that piece.
Dave | |
Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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iluvxtina
Underboss
1497 Posts
Spain
| | 11/22/2007 12:42 AM |
| | By now,I think this set is powered down a lot with only a few pieces being useful in tier 1 skirmish play.The best pieces are astral stalkers,fire archons and rage drake.Maybe the merc general and yuan ti champ too but I doubt it.For me,it is the worst set until date.I hope somebody soon will create a deadly combinationor discover a tier 1 mini with this set.Meanwhile I,ll continue purchasing nightbelow and unhallowed,much more decent sets | |
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MAURIZIO
Sergeant
929 Posts
Lima, Perú
| | 11/22/2007 5:20 AM |
| And what about Angel of Vengance? I think 2 of them can make some damage as tier-1.
I don't have it, but when I saw the stats cards I like it. What do you think about it after some tests? | |
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XAos
Underboss
2382 Posts
London
| | 11/22/2007 6:41 AM |
| Like the Osyluth the Angel of Vengence looks overcosted for it's stats. The Osyluth can casually be shown as overcosted, since it has virtually identical stats to a Helmed Horror & costs 20% more points.
Except the Osyluth can make up some of the cost-efficiency with it's LoS fear effect.
While the Angel's morale save abilities are not really needed in LG warbands.
The most likly tier-1 figure in DoD is the Capriscious Copper Dragon. It looks like it was designed to change the metagame by making it an active liability to include cheap (but otherwise useless) activation fodder in a warband. i.e. the current metagame, where all competative warbands have to be 8+ figures may be obsolete. I hope without the metagame becoming a trivial Rock-Paper-Scissors of;
"Scissors"; CCD warband.
beats "Paper"; pre-CCD warband with 8+ figures
beats "Rock"; anti-CCD warband with less than 8 figures
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Don't worry about the current metagame. It doesn't matter if it's ugly, bad, or the best ever. In 2 years time, set rotation will ban everything. | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1777 Posts
Portland OR
| | 11/22/2007 8:36 AM |
| | hmm... The osyluth is a bit more spendy than one would like, I would have prefered they boost base dmg and poison dc... The osyluth could be more competitive then. As is you hope to get the poison off once and get a failed moral save. Might work well with an astral stalker to trigger hunters claws.
I like the CCD but whose his best friends? Don't know yet.
Maybe play the angel today. I'll let u know if I do. | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10252 Posts
United States
| | 11/22/2007 9:58 AM |
| The Angel of Vengeance is an interesting piece, and it was quite nice for use in the Limited play. However, it doesn't have enough hit points for its cost to be tier-1. I think that there will be some good bands with it, and that it can be a threat. But, I don't think it will be represented in bands that make the top 2 at qualifying tournaments. Just my opinion.
Dave | |
Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1777 Posts
Portland OR
| | 11/22/2007 10:35 AM |
| | He she it fell like a ton of bricks in the ore realease to multi beater bands. Lg has enough bodygaurd options to help with that. Angel + bodygaurds + village priest? Should b good fun. I dont see it as super competitive but I bet it plays a lot like solar builds. | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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