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04/16/2008 9:12 PM Alert 

Zoeskyfarm's Teir 1 Fig List
as of April 25th 2008

from the 3 sets avalable
-Dungeons of Dread
-Desert of Desolation
-Night Below


Champions

Death Knight - Amazing melee, ranged, and champ powers
Eternal Blade - One of the best Champs due to the Champ power and Initive boost
Wulfgar - charge with the horsy
Cleric of Pelor - one of the best Civilization Champs
Delver Sergent - has been doing well with Koa-Toa Whip
Hobgoblin Marshal - cheap champ good powers
Koa-Toa Whip - x 7 look out
Mercenary General - tier 1-1.5 works well with human sellswords! As more figures come into the scene he will be tier 1

The "Meat of the Warband"
Exarch of Tyranny - Bladestorm, good AC and attack bonus
Nightmare - great results with a Mind Flayer Lich
Astral Stalker - well rounded stats, ranged and melee
Champion of Dol Dorn - Defender, good combo with EB, High AC, good powers
Drider - fodder killer (slashing darkness), great tech piece, conceal
Digester - 3 or 4 are deadly, great cone, good ac and cost
Thundertusk Boar - great with Champion of Dol Dorn
Warhorse - great with Wulfgar and Wild Mages
Arcadian Avenger - x 4 w/ Cleric of Pelor
Drow Spiderguard - low cost for great powers, attack and damage bonus
Babau - cheap, and effective in swarms
Howling Hag - great cone, the more hags, the better

Fodder/Filler
Deathjump Spider - Death from above
Boneshard Skeleton - boom, deathburt for 7 pts (but be carefull where you place it)
Merchant Guard - cheap bodyguard
Kobold Archer - great ranged damage, especially with EB power
Darkmantle - Stagger for 6 pts
Farmer - best 3 pts you'll ever spend
Human Sellsword - Killing Blow, attack bonus leaves everyone hanging, goes well with Mercenary General, also sits nice on a warhorse. With the Merc General this is a tier 1 piece.

Runners up/possible teir 1s yet to be determined/counters to the meta

Champions
Mind Flayer Lich - Changes to pit rules have scaled back the power of this. Now Tier 1.5
Frost Giant Jarl - Was very powerful in beta, got nerfed in release, Tier 1.5.
Large Shadow Dragon - Same as FGJ - Tier 1.5 Can win but has to work harder than Tier 1 figures.
Bralani - Tries to fill too many roles, needs better pieces for synergies, tier 1.5
Hobgoblin Marshal - needs better synergies then out there currently. Tier 1.5
Lady vol - (champ) perhaps to expensive, lots of amazing stuff, ac 30, def 28, great attack and damage, but you pay for it.
Vampire Vizier - cool powers, good attack and damage
Dwarf Warlord - Drive Into Peril, good ac, attack bonus, and champ powers, synergizes well with other Dwarves
Dwarf Battlemaster - Rock Solid, +4 DEF (Fort), Champ 3 for 31 pts, good champ power options
Militia Archer - Tier 1.5 very useful tech piece

Meat and Fodder
Halfling Paladin - great healer
Ice Archon - great ac, attack, damage and speed, Solid yet a bit expensive
Warrior Wight - good, when you have good rolls
Visejaw Crocodile - x4 w/ EB
Berserk Flesh Golem - Resist 5 All
Cerebrilith - immune lightning Koa-Toa Whip killer, but can it stand up to the rest of the meta?
Grick - Resist 5 All (fodder)
Gelatinous Cube - Engulf could be sweet, biggest down side is ac 14
Wyvern - sting, decent ac and def, F8
Balhannoth - to unpredictable but interesting powers like Reality Burst
Osyluth - Reaping Claws w/ melee reach, Fearful Presence, good ac, immune fire
Vrock - Mobile Melee Attack, good beater with cool bursts powers, has flight 8, good ac
Drow Enforcer - good ac and great powers
Large Gold Dragon - Tier 1.5 - Can win but has to work hard. Very survivable and hard to take down
Dread Wraith - Tier 1.5 - easy to hit but at 1/2 damage to all attacks it has effective 160 hp. Good synergy with death knight.
Rage Drake - Tier 1.5 - As soon as a good orc hitter comes out thes mount will explode onto the tier 1 scene.
Capricious Copper Dragon - Tier 1 or 1.5 (depending on who you talk to). Hordekeeper is brutal vs high fodder warbands. Good AC/HP/hit/dmg.
Orc Banebreak Rider - Tier 1.5 - ignores difficult terrain!
Yuan-Ti Malison - Tier 1.5 - hasnt really been explored yet but an awesome ranged piece that has some synergies.
Raistlin Majere - Tier 1.5 tech piece can be VERY useful

Here is what is obvious right now (to me) and by all means, add to the list i wont get them all. Or argue to have some taken off. I realize that this might be a brutal attempt at getting the teir 1 stuff right it is a bit to early to be saying what is what, its just my opinion. And i would like this list to getting better with everyone's reasonings. This of course will change with each release of old stats and the qualifiers.

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04/16/2008 10:39 PMAlert 
i would rather use a Bulette over a Dire Tiger personallu, the Dire Tiger is good, but it doesnt have alot of battle field control


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04/16/2008 11:15 PMAlert 
You,re missing a lot of tier 1 minis like LShD,Dol dorn,Astral stalker,Drider,etc,etc...And I think boneshard,kobold,eye flame and mindflayer are tier 2

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04/17/2008 1:08 AMAlert 
I think that looking at the Qualifier dat will get you an idea which minis are tier 1. Dungeon of Dread is not yet clear which pieces are tier 1, it is too early to tell.

The following pieces on your list are definitely Tier 1 (in the right warband ofcourse)
Eternal Blade
Mind Flayer Lich
Farmer
Wulfgar
Astral Stalker(not on your list but should be there)
Darkmantle (also not on your list

possibly:
Deathknight
Large shadow Dragon? it seems absent on qualifier lists...
Wild Mage
Exarch of Tyranny (?)
Howling Hag

I think I'm missing one or a few but it's still too early here. I need more coffee first

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04/17/2008 5:49 AMAlert 
The Eye of Flame is nerfed in the errata, now tier 2 maybe.

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04/17/2008 6:17 AMAlert 

I don't think fodder should be considered Tier1 (esspecially since nearly every sub-8pt piece is listed).
 
Maybe fodder is 'teir'1 but it needs a different catergory. (couldn't help myself!)


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04/17/2008 7:57 AMAlert 
Posted By mege on 04/17/2008 6:17 AM

I don't think fodder should be considered Tier1 (esspecially since nearly every sub-8pt piece is listed).
 
Maybe fodder is 'teir'1 but it needs a different catergory. (couldn't help myself!)


You have a good point, and I agree.

I thought I'd just list the good ones (IMO) for reference



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04/17/2008 5:41 PMAlert 
deathjump spider needs to be on that list for sure.

Wildmage should be on your list too...

Wulfgar is tier 1.98 or so... He should be on there too.

MFL is still tier one... He'll be better in the next few sets.

There are a ton of tier 1.75 pieces right now.

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Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless

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04/18/2008 2:34 AMAlert 
For me, fodder pieces can be tier 1 perfectly.The best example is (obviously) the farmer.It is tier 1 because you cannot find another piece better than it for its cost.It is the same than the orc warrior wich always has been tier 1 in 1.0 minis.It is all a matter of usefulness.And I have seen four farmers killing an osyluth so...tier 1 without any doubt

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04/19/2008 2:50 PMAlert 
I like WUlfgar's offensive options with the attacks extra. He's weaker defensively, but has 90 HP.

Deathjump Spider...what a mean beast!


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04/20/2008 6:19 AMAlert 
Add;
Cleric of Pelor;
Halfling Paladin
Thundertusk Boar
Warhorse
Bralani (easiest way to beat multiple LShD)
Delver Sargent
Hobgoblin Marshal
Drow Enforcer
Cleric of Pelor; Gotta love anything which heals my own units when they attack, particularly when it can be in the same warband as Wulfgar.

Drop;
Hierophant of 7th wind, he helps beasts a lot. But is himself well below par.
Drakmantle; hide is too easy to ignore.
Boneshard skeleton; Be careful where you set these up, or they might go boom phase-1 while adjascent to your own warband.

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04/20/2008 12:12 PMAlert 
Posted By XAos on 04/20/2008 6:19 AM
Add;
Cleric of Pelor;
Halfling Paladin
Thundertusk Boar
Warhorse
Bralani (easiest way to beat multiple LShD)
Delver Sargent
Hobgoblin Marshal
Drow Enforcer
Cleric of Pelor; Gotta love anything which heals my own units when they attack, particularly when it can be in the same warband as Wulfgar.

Drop;
Hierophant of 7th wind, he helps beasts a lot. But is himself well below par.
Drakmantle; hide is too easy to ignore.
Boneshard skeleton; Be careful where you set these up, or they might go boom phase-1 while adjascent to your own warband.


i agree with everything except the darkmantle as he is not on the list because of hide, but because of, Suffocate (medium or smaller target only) +7 vs DEF(Fort); 10 Damage AND Staggered (save ends), which for 6 points, if it works, can really mess up those cool 50 - 70 point range powers.

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04/24/2008 8:03 PMAlert 
updated lists, what does everyone think of the new list at the bottom?

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04/25/2008 12:17 AMAlert 
Great to have this kind of list again! I'm surprised that Osyluth's not on the list; in addition to having a strong attack capability with easily rechargeable power, it weakens defences of opponents by 2. And no Vrock, nor Young Red :( I could see such creatures working with Blade at least. Can anyone explain why you don't consider them tier 1?

No dwarven champs on the list either :(

Btw, Filler isn't good name for the second category IMHO, wouldn't 'hitter' or 'meat of the band' or something similar work better? In my books Filler = Fodder.

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04/25/2008 7:09 PMAlert 
Posted By Sean-Khan on 04/25/2008 12:17 AM
Great to have this kind of list again! I'm surprised that Osyluth's not on the list; in addition to having a strong attack capability with easily rechargeable power, it weakens defences of opponents by 2. And no Vrock, nor Young Red :( I could see such creatures working with Blade at least. Can anyone explain why you don't consider them tier 1?

No dwarven champs on the list either :(

Btw, Filler isn't good name for the second category IMHO, wouldn't 'hitter' or 'meat of the band' or something similar work better? In my books Filler = Fodder.


I agree that filler means fodder. Will add Osyluth, Vrock, to the list, as well as dwarf champs but i had a hard time finding good reasons to add them, there are just better options in that faction for that point range. However i could not bring my self to add the YRD to the list yet, i played him in a few games and found that he wasn't that game changing and also thought there to be better pieces to choose for that point cost... Does anyone else have any input on the YRD? I do want this to be a group effort.

I to struggled to find the right word for the "filler" part. I thought hitter to be to specific as you may have an amazing ranged or ongoing effect that doesn't do big damage. 

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04/26/2008 2:21 AMAlert 
I agree that filler means fodder. Will add Osyluth, Vrock, to the list, as well as dwarf champs but i had a hard time finding good reasons to add them, there are just better options in that faction for that point range. However i could not bring my self to add the YRD to the list yet, i played him in a few games and found that he wasn't that game changing and also thought there to be better pieces to choose for that point cost... Does anyone else have any input on the YRD? I do want this to be a group effort.

I to struggled to find the right word for the "filler" part. I thought hitter to be to specific as you may have an amazing ranged or ongoing effect that doesn't do big damage. 


Hm, Muscle? Body? Arm?

I guess you're right about Red, too bad... Hopefully we'll get good enough Dragon-booster to make it (and Silver) work!



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05/02/2008 5:24 PMAlert 
Updated May 2nd :)

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05/02/2008 11:44 PMAlert 
The problem with this list is it needs to be broken down into whats good for each faction, because you can not use all those figures in the same warband


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05/04/2008 7:21 PMAlert 
Mind Flayer Lich not tier 1? Our metagame in Brazil prove otherwise for sure, MFL bands take at least 2 respectable tourny... MFL é clearly tier 1 for me because if you don't know how to play against it or be prepared for it you will be in deep trouble and praying for the dice gods

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