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Zoeskyfarm Sneak
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 EDMONTON - CANADA
 | | 04/16/2008 9:12 PM | Alert | Zoeskyfarm's Teir 1 Fig List as of April 25th 2008
from the 3 sets avalable -Dungeons of Dread -Desert of Desolation -Night Below
Champions Death Knight - Amazing melee, ranged, and champ powers Eternal Blade - One of the best Champs due to the Champ power and Initive boost Wulfgar - charge with the horsy Cleric of Pelor - one of the best Civilization Champs Delver Sergent - has been doing well with Koa-Toa Whip Hobgoblin Marshal - cheap champ good powers Koa-Toa Whip - x 7 look out Mercenary General - tier 1-1.5 works well with human sellswords! As more figures come into the scene he will be tier 1
The "Meat of the Warband" Exarch of Tyranny - Bladestorm, good AC and attack bonus Nightmare - great results with a Mind Flayer Lich Astral Stalker - well rounded stats, ranged and melee Champion of Dol Dorn - Defender, good combo with EB, High AC, good powers Drider - fodder killer (slashing darkness), great tech piece, conceal Digester - 3 or 4 are deadly, great cone, good ac and cost Thundertusk Boar - great with Champion of Dol Dorn Warhorse - great with Wulfgar and Wild Mages Arcadian Avenger - x 4 w/ Cleric of Pelor Drow Spiderguard - low cost for great powers, attack and damage bonus Babau - cheap, and effective in swarms Howling Hag - great cone, the more hags, the better
Fodder/Filler Deathjump Spider - Death from above Boneshard Skeleton - boom, deathburt for 7 pts (but be carefull where you place it) Merchant Guard - cheap bodyguard Kobold Archer - great ranged damage, especially with EB power Darkmantle - Stagger for 6 pts Farmer - best 3 pts you'll ever spend Human Sellsword - Killing Blow, attack bonus leaves everyone hanging, goes well with Mercenary General, also sits nice on a warhorse. With the Merc General this is a tier 1 piece.
Runners up/possible teir 1s yet to be determined/counters to the meta
Champions Mind Flayer Lich - Changes to pit rules have scaled back the power of this. Now Tier 1.5 Frost Giant Jarl - Was very powerful in beta, got nerfed in release, Tier 1.5. Large Shadow Dragon - Same as FGJ - Tier 1.5 Can win but has to work harder than Tier 1 figures. Bralani - Tries to fill too many roles, needs better pieces for synergies, tier 1.5 Hobgoblin Marshal - needs better synergies then out there currently. Tier 1.5 Lady vol - (champ) perhaps to expensive, lots of amazing stuff, ac 30, def 28, great attack and damage, but you pay for it. Vampire Vizier - cool powers, good attack and damage Dwarf Warlord - Drive Into Peril, good ac, attack bonus, and champ powers, synergizes well with other Dwarves Dwarf Battlemaster - Rock Solid, +4 DEF (Fort), Champ 3 for 31 pts, good champ power options Militia Archer - Tier 1.5 very useful tech piece
Meat and Fodder Halfling Paladin - great healer Ice Archon - great ac, attack, damage and speed, Solid yet a bit expensive Warrior Wight - good, when you have good rolls Visejaw Crocodile - x4 w/ EB Berserk Flesh Golem - Resist 5 All Cerebrilith - immune lightning Koa-Toa Whip killer, but can it stand up to the rest of the meta? Grick - Resist 5 All (fodder) Gelatinous Cube - Engulf could be sweet, biggest down side is ac 14 Wyvern - sting, decent ac and def, F8 Balhannoth - to unpredictable but interesting powers like Reality Burst Osyluth - Reaping Claws w/ melee reach, Fearful Presence, good ac, immune fire Vrock - Mobile Melee Attack, good beater with cool bursts powers, has flight 8, good ac Drow Enforcer - good ac and great powers Large Gold Dragon - Tier 1.5 - Can win but has to work hard. Very survivable and hard to take down Dread Wraith - Tier 1.5 - easy to hit but at 1/2 damage to all attacks it has effective 160 hp. Good synergy with death knight. Rage Drake - Tier 1.5 - As soon as a good orc hitter comes out thes mount will explode onto the tier 1 scene. Capricious Copper Dragon - Tier 1 or 1.5 (depending on who you talk to). Hordekeeper is brutal vs high fodder warbands. Good AC/HP/hit/dmg. Orc Banebreak Rider - Tier 1.5 - ignores difficult terrain! Yuan-Ti Malison - Tier 1.5 - hasnt really been explored yet but an awesome ranged piece that has some synergies. Raistlin Majere - Tier 1.5 tech piece can be VERY useful
Here is what is obvious right now (to me) and by all means, add to the list i wont get them all. Or argue to have some taken off. I realize that this might be a brutal attempt at getting the teir 1 stuff right it is a bit to early to be saying what is what, its just my opinion. And i would like this list to getting better with everyone's reasonings. This of course will change with each release of old stats and the qualifiers.
Cheers, -zsf | | | |
| Zyla Underboss
 1129 Posts




 | | 04/16/2008 10:39 PM | Alert | | i would rather use a Bulette over a Dire Tiger personallu, the Dire Tiger is good, but it doesnt have alot of battle field control | | | |
| iluvxtina Underboss
 1388 Posts



 Spain
 | | 04/16/2008 11:15 PM | Alert | | You,re missing a lot of tier 1 minis like LShD,Dol dorn,Astral stalker,Drider,etc,etc...And I think boneshard,kobold,eye flame and mindflayer are tier 2 | | LOVE THIS GIRL | |
| Llarbal Skirmisher
 25 Posts



 | | 04/17/2008 1:08 AM | Alert | I think that looking at the Qualifier dat will get you an idea which minis are tier 1. Dungeon of Dread is not yet clear which pieces are tier 1, it is too early to tell.
The following pieces on your list are definitely Tier 1 (in the right warband ofcourse) Eternal Blade Mind Flayer Lich Farmer Wulfgar Astral Stalker(not on your list but should be there) Darkmantle (also not on your list
possibly: Deathknight Large shadow Dragon? it seems absent on qualifier lists... Wild Mage Exarch of Tyranny (?) Howling Hag
I think I'm missing one or a few but it's still too early here. I need more coffee first | | | |
| Dordledum Commander
 2937 Posts



 Netherlands
 | | 04/17/2008 5:49 AM | Alert | The Eye of Flame is nerfed in the errata, now tier 2 maybe.
D. | | Champion of the Huge Spider (WotDQ 46/60), A New Umber Hulk (DoDe 57/60), and Hardcopy Printed DDM 2.0 Stat-Cards for all Minis! Completed: got them all!!! | |
| mege Skirmisher
 41 Posts



 | | 04/17/2008 6:17 AM | Alert | I don't think fodder should be considered Tier1 (esspecially since nearly every sub-8pt piece is listed). Maybe fodder is 'teir'1 but it needs a different catergory. (couldn't help myself!) | | | |
| Llarbal Skirmisher
 25 Posts



 | | 04/17/2008 7:57 AM | Alert | Posted By mege on 04/17/2008 6:17 AM I don't think fodder should be considered Tier1 (esspecially since nearly every sub-8pt piece is listed). Maybe fodder is 'teir'1 but it needs a different catergory. (couldn't help myself!) You have a good point, and I agree.
I thought I'd just list the good ones (IMO) for reference
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| Lord_rock Underboss
 1247 Posts



 Portland OR
 | | 04/17/2008 5:41 PM | Alert | deathjump spider needs to be on that list for sure.
Wildmage should be on your list too...
Wulfgar is tier 1.98 or so... He should be on there too.
MFL is still tier one... He'll be better in the next few sets.
There are a ton of tier 1.75 pieces right now. | | Rock Bottom Pricing: Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
| iluvxtina Underboss
 1388 Posts



 Spain
 | | 04/18/2008 2:34 AM | Alert | | For me, fodder pieces can be tier 1 perfectly.The best example is (obviously) the farmer.It is tier 1 because you cannot find another piece better than it for its cost.It is the same than the orc warrior wich always has been tier 1 in 1.0 minis.It is all a matter of usefulness.And I have seen four farmers killing an osyluth so...tier 1 without any doubt | | LOVE THIS GIRL | |
| Pedro Commander
 3442 Posts



 Czech Republic
 | | 04/19/2008 2:50 PM | Alert | I like WUlfgar's offensive options with the attacks extra. He's weaker defensively, but has 90 HP.
Deathjump Spider...what a mean beast! | |
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| XAos Underboss
 2316 Posts



 London
 | | 04/20/2008 6:19 AM | Alert | Add; Cleric of Pelor; Halfling Paladin Thundertusk Boar Warhorse Bralani (easiest way to beat multiple LShD) Delver Sargent Hobgoblin Marshal Drow Enforcer Cleric of Pelor; Gotta love anything which heals my own units when they attack, particularly when it can be in the same warband as Wulfgar.
Drop; Hierophant of 7th wind, he helps beasts a lot. But is himself well below par. Drakmantle; hide is too easy to ignore. Boneshard skeleton; Be careful where you set these up, or they might go boom phase-1 while adjascent to your own warband. | | Don't worry about the current metagame. It doesn't matter if it's ugly, bad, or the best ever. In 2 years time, set rotation will ban everything. | |
| Zoeskyfarm Sneak
 167 Posts



 EDMONTON - CANADA
 | | 04/20/2008 12:12 PM | Alert | Posted By XAos on 04/20/2008 6:19 AM Add; Cleric of Pelor; Halfling Paladin Thundertusk Boar Warhorse Bralani (easiest way to beat multiple LShD) Delver Sargent Hobgoblin Marshal Drow Enforcer Cleric of Pelor; Gotta love anything which heals my own units when they attack, particularly when it can be in the same warband as Wulfgar.
Drop; Hierophant of 7th wind, he helps beasts a lot. But is himself well below par. Drakmantle; hide is too easy to ignore. Boneshard skeleton; Be careful where you set these up, or they might go boom phase-1 while adjascent to your own warband.
i agree with everything except the darkmantle as he is not on the list because of hide, but because of, Suffocate (medium or smaller target only) +7 vs DEF(Fort); 10 Damage AND Staggered (save ends), which for 6 points, if it works, can really mess up those cool 50 - 70 point range powers. | | | |
| Zoeskyfarm Sneak
 167 Posts



 EDMONTON - CANADA
 | | 04/24/2008 8:03 PM | Alert | | updated lists, what does everyone think of the new list at the bottom? | | | |
| Sean-Khan Commander
 2656 Posts




 | | Zoeskyfarm Sneak
 167 Posts



 EDMONTON - CANADA
 | | 04/25/2008 7:09 PM | Alert | Posted By Sean-Khan on 04/25/2008 12:17 AM Great to have this kind of list again! I'm surprised that Osyluth's not on the list; in addition to having a strong attack capability with easily rechargeable power, it weakens defences of opponents by 2. And no Vrock, nor Young Red :( I could see such creatures working with Blade at least. Can anyone explain why you don't consider them tier 1?
No dwarven champs on the list either :(
Btw, Filler isn't good name for the second category IMHO, wouldn't 'hitter' or 'meat of the band' or something similar work better? In my books Filler = Fodder.
I agree that filler means fodder. Will add Osyluth, Vrock, to the list, as well as dwarf champs but i had a hard time finding good reasons to add them, there are just better options in that faction for that point range. However i could not bring my self to add the YRD to the list yet, i played him in a few games and found that he wasn't that game changing and also thought there to be better pieces to choose for that point cost... Does anyone else have any input on the YRD? I do want this to be a group effort.
I to struggled to find the right word for the "filler" part. I thought hitter to be to specific as you may have an amazing ranged or ongoing effect that doesn't do big damage. | | | |
| Sean-Khan Commander
 2656 Posts




 | | 04/26/2008 2:21 AM | Alert | I agree that filler means fodder. Will add Osyluth, Vrock, to the list, as well as dwarf champs but i had a hard time finding good reasons to add them, there are just better options in that faction for that point range. However i could not bring my self to add the YRD to the list yet, i played him in a few games and found that he wasn't that game changing and also thought there to be better pieces to choose for that point cost... Does anyone else have any input on the YRD? I do want this to be a group effort.
I to struggled to find the right word for the "filler" part. I thought hitter to be to specific as you may have an amazing ranged or ongoing effect that doesn't do big damage.
Hm, Muscle? Body? Arm?
I guess you're right about Red, too bad... Hopefully we'll get good enough Dragon-booster to make it (and Silver) work!
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| Zoeskyfarm Sneak
 167 Posts



 EDMONTON - CANADA
 | | 05/02/2008 5:24 PM | Alert | | Updated May 2nd :) | | | |
| Zyla Underboss
 1129 Posts




 | | 05/02/2008 11:44 PM | Alert | | The problem with this list is it needs to be broken down into whats good for each faction, because you can not use all those figures in the same warband | | | |
| MGM Sneak
 116 Posts




 | | 05/04/2008 7:21 PM | Alert | | Mind Flayer Lich not tier 1? Our metagame in Brazil prove otherwise for sure, MFL bands take at least 2 respectable tourny... MFL é clearly tier 1 for me because if you don't know how to play against it or be prepared for it you will be in deep trouble and praying for the dice gods | | | |
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