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gregorkhan
Sneak
84 Posts
    
 | | 04/21/2008 5:16 PM |  Alert | In the line section, "The attacking creature does not need to be able to trace line of sight to the target square."
In the targetting section, "line of sight must exist between that (the target square) square and the attacking creature."
Which is correct?
It seems that one way to beat Kua-Toa whips is to follow the rules as written.
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1247 Posts
Portland OR
| | 04/21/2008 5:28 PM | Alert | please god tell me it's true!!!
Or not... Otherwise I just got totally cheesed at my qualifier and request a do over.
Sadly I think the newest line errata specifically says you don't need line of sight to the tatgrt square and that's where the big PROBLEM is. | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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gollumullog
Skirmisher
7 Posts
| | 04/21/2008 6:10 PM | Alert | The way this should be rewritten is this:
Leave the line section as written, change the Designate Target(s) (pg 6) section as follows:
The attacking player designates a legal target for the attack. For [R] and [M] attacks that use the
Reach special ability, the attacking creature must be able to trace line of sight to the target. For
[C] and [A] attacks which target a square, choose a target square, line of sight must exist between that square a target and the attacking creature, line of effect must also exist between the target square and the target. Some [C] and [A] attacks also specify Nearest; this refers to the nearest creature to which the attacking creature can trace line of sight. That creature must be included within the area of effect of the spell (eg., radius, cone, line). If multiple creatures are the same
distance from the attacking creature, the attacking player may select which of these is the
nearest.
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1247 Posts
Portland OR
| | 04/21/2008 6:31 PM | Alert | should and is... Why can't those 2 be more friendly???
Lining "blindly"through 10 forest squares to an unseen and otherwise protected target is unfair but currently legal. | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Barry
Skirmisher
14 Posts
| | 04/21/2008 8:46 PM | Alert | Personally I think that you should at least get Conceal 11 on lines that dont have LOS from attacker to defender
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
5329 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 04/22/2008 4:15 PM | Alert | So, what's the concensus on lines now?
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1247 Posts
Portland OR
| | 04/22/2008 5:27 PM | Alert | | the newest errata is the only concensous... Lots of people would like to see some change to restrict targetting to various points but some others like the new lines... The problems include: whips being costed with LOS in mind (along with the next 2-3 sets-black dragon I'm looking at you), lines being the only att that doesn't require LOS to anything- square or creature, errataing an errata is a head ache and a half, lots of fxs targeting other def besides reflex, which is the only one that grants cover, major punishment of slower bands who rely on forest/smoke to make it to melee... Those are off the top of my head and my food's here so you can start there... | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1247 Posts
Portland OR
| | 04/22/2008 5:30 PM | Alert | | the newest errata is the only concensous... Lots of people would like to see some change to restrict targetting to various points but some others like the new lines... The problems include: whips being costed with LOS in mind (along with the next 2-3 sets-black dragon I'm looking at you), lines being the only att that doesn't require LOS to anything- square or creature, errataing an errata is a head ache and a half, lots of fxs targeting other def besides reflex, which is the only one that grants cover, major punishment of slower bands who rely on forest/smoke to make it to melee... Those are off the top of my head and my food's here so you can start there... | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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gregorkhan
Sneak
84 Posts
| | 04/23/2008 11:55 AM | Alert | Peter Lee responded to my 'contradiction' post over on Hordelings. He said that it is up to the tournament judge whether or not the statement on P6 of the errata restricts line targetting to LOS. I suggest discussing this with your judge before a tournament begins.
PS: If you decide to take out the statement on P6 of the errata, there are some other figures that get a big boost as well. Right now, people are playing as though P6 doesn't exist for lines and does exist for everything else. You can't have it both ways. | | | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1247 Posts
Portland OR
| | 04/23/2008 3:29 PM | Alert | the biggest problem is still that the current errata, which is therefore the rule as of it coming out, specifically says you do not have to see a square to target it with a line attack... Until that is resolved lines will continue to be very powerful-overly so in my own opinion- since it is the most current.
It is up to the judge but I'm guessing most tourny judges will go with the newest errata...
In 1.0 the hierarchy went rules, card text, newest errata and if a new starter set came out those were the new rules... Gotta errata that errata!!! And that is a mistake that shouldn't happen, but likely did because of lack of fact checking/proofing/playtesting to get it out before the first qualifier.
In short: the newest errata allows lines- and only lines- to target squares without LOS. The newest errata will have to be errata'd before that changes. (I would like to see a fall back to the required LOS rules for targetting). | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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