iluvxtina
Underboss
1388 Posts
    
Spain
 | | 04/27/2008 2:41 PM |  Alert | Here,where I play,there are no official D&D tournaments and I play in a Magic& RPG club but I have never seen this before: only nine challengers including me in the first 2.0 tournament.We used to be 18 or even more so a lot of people leaving the game because the new rules.Thank you WotC.
Second: I,m impressed how easily have my triple-EB been defeated.And no EB warbands in the finals.It is the end of its dominance? I simply cannot endure tons of ranged damage warbands (multi wild mages/on horses and dual drider and stalkers).
Farmer is the man: almost everybody play two or more.Incredible 3,4,5....farmers.
Third: Deathknight/vizier.I think it is the best current warband (taking the prize).No golden dragon nor dual mindflayer lich warbands.Triple shadow defeated by Deathknight warband in jugle temple map (she could,nt shadowjump).
Have you realized only a few Dof dread pieces are tier 1?Mostly are from NB.very dissapointed.See you
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
9462 Posts
United States
| | 04/27/2008 3:10 PM | Alert | Thanks for the very brief information.
I have also noticed a drop in the number of players at events (both pre-releases and qualifiers, which are about all I attend). It's too bad.
I don't think it's all related to the new rules though. I think a lot of it is that the game is 5 years old, and many of the people who were drawn in at one point have drifted off to other games.
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3595 Posts
Adelaide
| | 04/27/2008 8:29 PM | Alert | Posted By Vrecknidj on 04/27/2008 3:10 PM
Thanks for the very brief information.
I have also noticed a drop in the number of players at events (both pre-releases and qualifiers, which are about all I attend). It's too bad.
I don't think it's all related to the new rules though. I think a lot of it is that the game is 5 years old, and many of the people who were drawn in at one point have drifted off to other games.
More later.
Dave
I think a fair bit is related to new rules.
Seems to bit of a strech to blame a lot on the 'five year itch' conciding with new rules, that sort of turn over imo is already factored well enough (people leaving to do other games that is).
We get more people in for old rules minis than new rules (only few of us die hard mini players that are there every time regardless of other factors). It's a very small subsection of the global community, but I don't think data is good for places playing both as a comparsion.
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I'm tired of seeing the farmer though. Worse than the Xeph warrior, or even the Orc Warrior. Rows of piggies. Actually it seems like in lots of way the old tactic of lots of crap fodder is as important now as it was when the game first started, and which imo had almost gotten rid of in the last days of DDM 1.
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maijstral
Underboss
2086 Posts
| | 04/27/2008 9:00 PM | Alert | Darkmantles and farmers are going to be staples for awhile, until more fodder or better lowercost figures come out.
Elf archer is one of these, now if we can get more civilization /good warbands that are viable in qualifier season. | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
9462 Posts
United States
| | 04/28/2008 6:25 AM | Alert | In Unhallowed we have the Bat Familiar and Graypeak Goblin Archer and Wild Elf Warsinger, maybe they'll help with the fodder situation (though the WEW might be more of a low-cost tech piece than fodder). At least, perhaps we'll have a few new pieces at some tables. Though I'm thinking we'll still see a ton of Farmers because we won't be seeing another 3-point piece until at least the next new set (and I'm not holding my breath).
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Pedro
Commander
3442 Posts
Czech Republic
| | 04/28/2008 8:10 AM | Alert | Posted By maijstral on 04/27/2008 9:00 PM
Darkmantles and farmers are going to be staples for awhile, until more fodder or better lowercost figures come out.
Elf archer is one of these, now if we can get more civilization /good warbands that are viable in qualifier season.
We could also see more 3 pointers with the same statistics, so htere goes a variation to the "...and 6 Farmers." | |
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iluvxtina
Underboss
1388 Posts
Spain
| | 04/28/2008 10:00 AM | Alert | If you have seen too in your local metagames that there are much less challengers coming to tournaments,then it is very clear for me: it is because the new rules (more simple and less detailed for me) why people leaving the game right now and not during NB.The new face of main D&D critters is a main problem too: how many of us strongly dislike the news griffon, hook horror, ogre, troll, trog,etc,etc...continue prefering the old ones??Very sad because if the make this looking for new customers, they have got just the other side of the coin (less customers).
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Kevizoid
Warrior
261 Posts
Southern California
| | 04/29/2008 8:49 AM | Alert | I can't imagine players are not playing in tournaments because griffons look small.
Alot of players complained that there collections were now "useless" which is completely untrue. I'm a huge fan of 2.0. I think it's just a way better game. (byebye morale checks, wewt). Only a small percentage of people who quit did so because of the actual gameplay of 2.0.
But honestly I think it was just a checkpoint for the game. A number of people were considering quitting and this was the perfect opportunity. Some quit not willing to learn a slightly different game, and some were revitalized by the 2.0 changes. | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3595 Posts
Adelaide
| | 04/29/2008 4:42 PM | Alert | Morale checks is one of my most missed parts of the rules.
I also disagree that the new rules aren't a factor in people not wanting to play with the new rules. I don't know where you got the 'small percentage' from but I suspect you just mean your feelings about players around you rather than fact.
At the time when it seemed a lot of players were complaining thier collections were useless for skirmish, that was true. Until the restat promise at least. | |
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Kevizoid
Warrior
261 Posts
Southern California
| | 04/29/2008 5:49 PM | Alert | | How could you possibly miss MC's? They were probably the single largest contributing factor towards luck ruining your matches in the game. | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3595 Posts
Adelaide
| | 04/29/2008 6:10 PM | Alert | I enjoy games that have variance (ie luck).
After all, it's a D20 game so its going to be luck dependant.
I think morale, or some varient of it essential for a war game. DDM 2 is lessened without it in some form imo.
I also think unfriendly maps from a single unlucky map initiative roll to be a far more unfun, and a bigger contributer to ruining your game. Harder to plan for too. | |
"Mutton yesterday, mutton today, and blimey, if it don't look like mutton again tomorrer." Bert the Troll - The Hobbit
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iluvxtina
Underboss
1388 Posts
Spain
| | 04/29/2008 11:22 PM | Alert | I,m absolutely with you Bert.Morale checks were one of my favourite points in the game.It is much more realistic because the critters can feel terror in battle and they leave their weapons and run as much as they can to save their lives.With the new rules it looks like critters do not fear to die and cannot feel fear anymore.A strategy wargame has to be realistic and morale checks are very real.They have make a much more simple game ,removing all the good details.
Oh,and it is not a matter of Griffon,s ridiculous size that a lot of people leaving the game.Believe me, here at least, a lot of people leaves the game because they have sadly seen their favourite strategy game becomes so different. | |
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