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PerpetualStudent
Sneak
171 Posts
    
 | | 06/11/2008 5:39 PM |
| I think changing to DDM 2.0 has been more difficult for me
than it has for my friend who never played the original game. This past weekend we had a lengthy debate as
to how the Bulette works and I hope someone here can help.
Earthcrest: If this creature moves at least 3 squares from
its starting position using Burrow, at the end of its move, attack all targets
within 2 squares, +15 vs AC; 20 Damage
1) The
Bulette’s attack Earthcrest is an attack but takes place after moving 3
squares. Does this mean the Bulette,
with speed 6, can move 6 then declare an Earthcrest attack and move another 6
or can it only move 6 and attack?
2) Burrow
does not trigger an Attack of Opportunity. Can the Bulette move away from an
enemy that has based it, go 3 squares to the other side of that creature,
and then use Earthcrest to attack everything within 2 squares?
3) When
a creature, like the Bulette, has an attack that requires it to move a certain
number of squares does this mean it has to end its move that number of squares away
from where it began, or can it move 2 squares away and then 2 back,
ending where it started, and get the attack or bonus?
4) Does
Earthquest count as one attack against multiple targets or does each target
count as a separate attack? This becomes
important if combined with the Ho7W’s champion power that gives +20 damage.
I think I know the correct answer to most of these, but I
have to convince my gaming group, so any help is appreciated. | |
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MarioCleanstuff
Warrior
324 Posts
San Diego, CA
| | 06/11/2008 5:43 PM |
| I can probably answer 2 through 4.
2. I'm fairly sure it can.
3. "If this creature moves at least three squares FROM ITS STARTING POSITION." It specifies that it must be from its starting position, so it must end at least three squares away from where it started.
4. I'm fairly sure it's one attack against multiple targets. You roll each one separately, but it's all part of one attack. | |
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Xeris
Skirmisher
27 Posts
| | 06/11/2008 11:38 PM |
| Hi.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mi/errata states...
"Mobility Dependent Attack: Some attacks require the creature to move a certain number of squares to
use that attack. These require that each square in the creature’s space, after movement, is at least
[X] squares distant from their starting location. Charge attacks, Archer’s Mobility, and Earthcrest
are two examples of a mobility dependent attack."
The word attack is used in this instance of errata/clarification.
-_- Hmmm... lulz.
I'm assuming your friend doesn't like losing.
So I will give answers accordingly.
1) No. No. No. No. No. You may not in this sequence...
- Declare a MOVE action.
- Declare a MOBILITY DEPENDANT ATTACK action
- Declare a ***2nd*** MOVE action (unless Mobile Melee Attack is a listed Special Power or otherwise stated by an ability/effect)
I say this because the errata states that it is a mobility dependent attack, meaning you must make an attack action to use it, which is as well exactly WHY it is an attack.
If the above weren't true, Bulette would be BROKEN.
2 AoE a turn??? Who would pass that up?
Other than that off topic statement, Bulette is still limited to two actions a turn, but is still a BEAST :D
Oh wait...
MOVING ON!
2) Burrow does NOT trigger opportunity attacks. So this would be a legal action.
Make sure your friend is hitting EVERYTHING within two squares, including his own units
3) Bulette must legally end it's activation at least THREE SQUARES FROM IT'S STARTING POSITION.
Moving back to occupy squares that are not three squares away from it's starting position seems... like it doesn't work... at all actually.
lololololololol
4) -_- All attack rolls are separate unless otherwise stated. This is common knowledge :D
Your gaming group should read rules better =( | | | |
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PerpetualStudent
Sneak
171 Posts
| | 06/12/2008 4:46 AM |
| Thanks Xeris. My group is rather dependant on me to keep up with the errata and I just have not been doing a good job - missed the mobility attack.  If I understand what you, and the errata is saying, the Bulette can move 6, using burrow, and use Earthcrest or take a 2nd move action and move 12 and NOT use Earthcrest. This will make a big difference next time we play.Â
We generally play casual games, no tournament play in the area yet, but I am working in it. Because of this, and because most of the other players are new, we have not been really strict about forcing someone to actually keep a move and attack their own minis when they make a mistake, we just allow them to change their action, but some of them are getting good enough that it is probably time to start playing with tournaments in mind.
As for Number 4, I would agree with your statement that each roll is a separate attack. However, I can see where it could be confusing as what you said is the opposite of what Mario said in the first reply.
Thanks again for everyones help.
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Xeris
Skirmisher
27 Posts
| | 06/12/2008 4:44 PM |
| | :P It will indeed make a big difference in Gameplay | | | |
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Cottondonkey
Skirmisher
16 Posts
Milton, ON
| | 06/27/2008 3:25 PM |
| What if you start burrow beside an enemy? Wouldn't that provoke opp. attks?
Like a flier doesn't provoke opp. attks unless it starts its turn adjacent to an enemy because it is considered landed at the start of its activation. | | | |
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omikapsi
Sneak
77 Posts
| | 06/27/2008 3:51 PM |
| Cottondonkey: Burrow specifically says that it never provokes attacks of opportunity.
Flight specifically says that it never provokes from non-flying creatures, and that it provokes from it's first square of movement.
Editorials aside, Xeris is correct in his answers.
To sum up:
1. Earthcrest is an attack action. Attack actions can not be taken in the midst of move actions. Since it is a mobility dependant attack action, it must be taken after the move action is finished.
2. Yes.
3. No. See 'Mobility dependant actions' in the errata, or the quoted bit by Xeris.
4. It counts as one attack with multiple targets, but see the Multiple Targets section on page 7 of the errata and clarifications. For example, the hierophant of the seventh wind states: "Use when ... hits an enemy, +20 damage to that enemy with that attack." | |
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Cottondonkey
Skirmisher
16 Posts
Milton, ON
| | 06/27/2008 5:20 PM |
| | Wow. That's freaken awsome. That makes the bulette quite a bit more valuble to me, especailly with the Ho7W. :) | | | |
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Dordledum
Commander
3193 Posts
Netherlands
| | 07/01/2008 12:35 AM |
| Posted By Cottondonkey on 06/27/2008 5:20 PM
Wow. That's freaken awsome. That makes the bulette quite a bit more valuble to me, especailly with the Ho7W. :) Isn't it a magical beast? woudln't work with the Ho7W in that case.
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Wolfgang
Commander
3005 Posts
Milton, Ontario Canada
| | 07/01/2008 5:46 PM |
| Posted By Cottondonkey on 06/27/2008 5:20 PM
Wow. That's freaken awsome. That makes the bulette quite a bit more valuble to me, especailly with the Ho7W. :)
Isn't it a magical beast? woudln't work with the Ho7W in that case.
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PerpetualStudent
Sneak
171 Posts
| | 07/01/2008 6:38 PM |
| Posted By Wolfgang on 07/01/2008 5:46 PM Posted By Cottondonkey on 06/27/2008 5:20 PM
Wow. That's freaken awsome. That makes the bulette quite a bit more valuble to me, especailly with the Ho7W. :)
Isn't it a magical beast? woudln't work with the Ho7W in that case.
D. I have to agree
I need to check the card again, but I believe the Bulette is listed as a Beast, not a Magical Beast.
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The_Entropic_Wizard
Sneak
70 Posts
St Paul, MN
| | 07/01/2008 8:14 PM |
| It is indeed a Beast. No 'Magical' anywhere on the card. I should know; I've played the Heirophant/dual Bulette band a few times, and every time I get it out, my buddy asks to see the Bulette card to prove to me if it's a Magical Beast.
He's always wrong. *grin* | |
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