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Lord_rock
Underboss
1788 Posts
    
Portland OR
 | | 06/15/2008 3:46 PM |
| I was building wild and underdark bands today and was amazed how many combos pop up as viable when you assume they have a 3pt piece. These 2 factions have some of the most expensive pieces (and powerful ones) that can't combo because you can't get to 8 acts.
How bad can a 3pt piece be and still see play for that simple activation. The farmer sets the bar pretty high. I'm almost certain we'll see a 3pt kobold... Care to guess on stats?
I really hope this piece is one they preview so we can start getting used to the ideas it opens.
I think my favorite new idea was:
WWL
Thrall
exarch
snaketongue cultist
Harpy
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Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Pedro
Commander
3922 Posts
Czech Republic
| | 06/15/2008 4:35 PM |
| I think there is no need - we already know its most powerful statistic and if it will have AB of +2 or -2 won't change much, because we won't rely on it, as we don't rely on the Farmer's AB. Speed will be important.
What about 10 HP, AC 14-16, DEF 12-14, AB +5 (5+5 fire), F6 (F7 would be great, but prolly unrealistic), Evade(?), maybe the Latch On attack - heal 5 HP, cause 5 fire dmg...assuming it's the Fire Bat.
Kobold won't fly, will have a weaker attack. I think they will both be vanilla. | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10283 Posts
United States
| | 06/15/2008 5:06 PM |
| I would be willing to take a 3-point piece with the following stats.
Speed 1
This figure can't do anything except move.
You'd still be able to get the activation advantage you need to remain competitive.
Don't get me wrong. If a piece can't compete with the Farmer, it doesn't deserve the 3 points. (Imagine the Harbinger Orc Warrior or the Man-at-Arms; both of those, tweaked just a little, would be perfect.)
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1788 Posts
Portland OR
| | 06/15/2008 9:16 PM |
| I forgot about the fire bat. I wonder if it will be the 3pt piece though... Seems like they could do somthing cool with it and have it be a 4 or 5 (also important numbers for warband building... I hate ending up at 198 or 199). I think I'd like to see the Kobold minion.
Speculation of course:
3pt
10 hp
17 ac
13 def
Sp: 6
Spear +4 for 5dmg
Spear ranged [] (range 6) +5 5dmg
Special ability:
weak willed: -4 will def
Subserviant- if destroyed while adjecent to a mastermind or creature with other minions this creature does not score your opponent points.
Ranged att could be useful but at only 5 dmg not really. Weak minded is just good flavor and balances the slightly higher ac. Subseviant allows for tactical advantage besides just another activation. The little fella isn't doing much but any little thing counts. He'd be on par with the kobold miner I think. Maybe 5hp if you think he's still too much. | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Dordledum
Commander
3183 Posts
Netherlands
| | 06/16/2008 4:10 AM |
| I guess it'll be the goblin runner, low AC (12/13) + high speed (7/8)? Ideal tilegrabber.
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10283 Posts
United States
| | 06/16/2008 4:38 AM |
| That sounds about right. Have to change the title of the thread now though.
A 3-point piece that can get to a Victory Area at the end of the round is a nice option though. Two of them would serve as a nice substitute for a Darkmantle.
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MikeyChraal
Warrior
238 Posts
Manchester, England
| | 06/16/2008 5:12 AM |
| how about an attack hound?
3pts
hp 10 ac 15 spd 7 attack +5 (5)
SA: when an adjacent champion would be dealt damage from a melee attack this creature is eliminated and attacker gets minus 3 attack to that attack.
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10283 Posts
United States
| | 06/16/2008 7:48 AM |
| There are lots of really cool things that can be done with low-cost minis. I really like the idea of a piece that has multiple uses based on its champion.
However, this would probably not fit on a 3-point piece.
Special Power
Willing Sacrifice: At the start of the game, if this creature's warband has a Good champion, this piece gains Bodyguard.
Unwilling Sacrifice: At the start of the game, if this creature's warband has an Evil champion, this piece gains Bodyguard, but can only use that ability when adjacent to an Evil champion ally.
It's not much, perhaps 10 points; but, it allows something like a Wild Mage's Stun, for instance, to get taken by a chump. And, it works differently in an Evil band than in a Good band, offering people different uses.
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1788 Posts
Portland OR
| | 06/16/2008 10:21 AM |
| | due to the threat that ranged bands and casters now pose almost every faction is going to need a "bodyguard" piece. The absorbtion of a stun, confusion, or a wulfgar charge is a key way to victory. | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3803 Posts
USA
| | 06/16/2008 2:41 PM |
| Was not the 3 pt fodder piece for Underdark / Wild rumored / hypothisized to be some sort Rat? A Rat fits well with both Underdark and Wild. I do not think a Kobold does. The Kobold Archer is Borderlands / Wild.Â
A fast little rat like the Dire Rat in LE of 1.0 sounds good to me.Â
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1788 Posts
Portland OR
| | 06/16/2008 3:20 PM |
| Rats bats and kobolds oh my...
Good catch, I forgot about that hint. So speed 7-8, 5-10 hp, some type of swarm-pack-group fighting like the old one? Or maybe a "big" defense (17-18) and evasion. Throw in 5+ insert on going effect here and we have a winner. | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Dordledum
Commander
3183 Posts
Netherlands
| | 06/17/2008 12:14 AM |
| Posted By Sirohk on 06/16/2008 2:41 PM Was not the 3 pt fodder piece for Underdark / Wild rumored / hypothisized to be some sort Rat? A Rat fits well with both Underdark and Wild. I do not think a Kobold does. The Kobold Archer is Borderlands / Wild. A fast little rat like the Dire Rat in LE of 1.0 sounds good to me. 
I don't remember a rat in the spoilers, but then again, there were still 7 blanks in the list.
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7146 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 06/17/2008 9:25 AM |
| Posted By Dordledum on 06/17/2008 12:14 AM Posted By Sirohk on 06/16/2008 2:41 PM Was not the 3 pt fodder piece for Underdark / Wild rumored / hypothisized to be some sort Rat? A Rat fits well with both Underdark and Wild. I do not think a Kobold does. The Kobold Archer is Borderlands / Wild. A fast little rat like the Dire Rat in LE of 1.0 sounds good to me. I don't remember a rat in the spoilers, but then again, there were still 7 blanks in the list. D.
A lot of people made assumptions based on a cheese clue, IIRC.
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Dordledum
Commander
3183 Posts
Netherlands
| | 06/17/2008 10:15 AM |
| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 06/17/2008 9:25 AM Posted By Dordledum on 06/17/2008 12:14 AM Posted By Sirohk on 06/16/2008 2:41 PM Was not the 3 pt fodder piece for Underdark / Wild rumored / hypothisized to be some sort Rat? A Rat fits well with both Underdark and Wild. I do not think a Kobold does. The Kobold Archer is Borderlands / Wild. A fast little rat like the Dire Rat in LE of 1.0 sounds good to me. I don't remember a rat in the spoilers, but then again, there were still 7 blanks in the list. D. A lot of people made assumptions based on a cheese clue, IIRC.
Ah, the camembert elemental...
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7146 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 06/17/2008 12:55 PM |
| I still think it's a Butter Churn elemental.
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MikeyChraal
Warrior
238 Posts
Manchester, England
| | 06/24/2008 7:54 AM |
| | goblin runner.................................... | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1788 Posts
Portland OR
| | 06/24/2008 9:47 AM |
| goblin runner might be a cheapy but I don't know about 3pts...
The rat is the obvious 3pter for wild and underdark. I think it is safe to assume it is one of the missing 7 along with the third orcus keyword figure. I hope it is the deathpriest hierophant outa the monster manual. | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7146 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 06/24/2008 1:02 PM |
| Posted By Lord_rock on 06/24/2008 9:47 AM
goblin runner might be a cheapy but I don't know about 3pts...
The rat is the obvious 3pter for wild and underdark. I think it is safe to assume it is one of the missing 7 along with the third orcus keyword figure. I hope it is the deathpriest hierophant outa the monster manual.
Rat of Orcus!
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1788 Posts
Portland OR
| | 06/25/2008 9:26 AM |
| | We could only be so lucky! | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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MikeyChraal
Warrior
238 Posts
Manchester, England
| | 06/25/2008 10:28 AM |
| | i *think* that it will be the goblin runner. | |
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