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Lord_rock
Underboss
1887 Posts
    
Portland OR
 | | 07/02/2008 12:00 PM |
| so I'll do it then
Warhorse
EB
Wulfgar
WeW
skullcleave
Horse charge for 15+10+10=35
skullcleave autocrit 40+10+10= 60
skullcleave extra att for crit= 20+10+10=40
wulfgar champ power= 20+10+10=40
175 in a single activation...
Then skullcleave activates-
mighty cleave for 40more and we'll say one other adjecent target (lg warhorse helps) for 15
230 in a single turn ain't shabby...
With the right set up you could probably get more with mighty cleave and if wulfgar's champ power allows copying the crit we have THEE winner...
I think this just edges out the mighty blademaster but I havn't done all the math yet. Anyone got anything else from AtG? | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Arymetore
Skirmisher
3 Posts
| | 07/11/2008 7:13 AM |
| With AtG out now, looking at Epic bands (which is a totally different thing than the previous examples):
Enormous Carrion Crawler
Shifter Claw Adept
ECC makes target Helpless with Tentacle Slap
Shifter Claw Adept uses Claw Frenzy for auto crits... pick the number as you keep making attacks until you miss and you can't miss when the target is helpless. And all attacks are also automatic crits.
2 activations for 234 points... but unlimited damage. | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1887 Posts
Portland OR
| | 07/11/2008 11:20 PM |
| shifter claw adept is a whole new beast... There are a lot of ways to get big returns from the guy but he's pretty durn good as is (killed a full hp dragonborn defender who still had unbreakable in a single round- that was a game breaker). I would not be surprised to see an errata on either him or the helpless condition (limit to 4 rolls perhaps or helpless ends when takes dmg- like sleep. But I would just prefer a cap on att's).
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Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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OhGodtheRats
174 Posts
| | 07/12/2008 1:57 PM |
| Ha, was just reading this thread wondering why no one posted the Gelatinous Cube/Enormous Carrion Crawler + Skeletal Tomb Guardian/Razorclaw shifter combo for the ultimate in damage to a helpless opponent....love that combo. Really hope they don't errata the helpless condition just because a new piece has unlimited attacks. I've enjoyed dishing out 200 points of damage with my STG's Cascade of Steel for a while now here in Berlin. I actually recommend that over the Razorclaw shifter...only because the STG can do it every round against a different enemy while the Shifter is limited to picking his target more carefully. And, to be honest, if 200 damage doesn't kill it, you've got bigger problems.
My gimmick warband for next week now that we're actually playing non-sealed:
E.Carrion Crawler
Skeleton Tomb Guardian x2
Gelatinous Cubes x2
...and 104 points to be more creative with Underdark filler/fodder. I suppose you could fit in more Razorclaws (sans STG) and move this to the Wild Faction, but as I don't have that many Razorclaws, I'll stick to my scary undead guns. | | | |
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gibberling
Skirmisher
2 Posts
| | 07/12/2008 3:30 PM |
| Most Damage in 2 acts?
2x Skullcleave Warrors
1X EB
1x Wulfgar
Both Skullcleaves with hate
1) first Skullcleave attacks target with great cleave, there are 8 identical Enemy creatures adjacent to target
Uses Great Cleave. Gets a crit. Does 30x2 +10 (70) Damage to target. Gets a free attack on another creature from the crit, does 20+ 10 (30) Does 15 +10 Damage to the other 8 identical creatures adjacent to target from Great Cleaves effect (25x8= 200)
Total so far= 70+30+200= 300 Dmg
Moves back, takes an aoo, Becomes Bloodied, gets free attack from Wulfegar Scores a crit on on creature 20x2+10 (50) Gets a free attack against another creature, does another 20+10= (30)
Total 80+ 300 running total= 380
Second Act
Second Skullcleave warrrior moves into space vacated by first, Take an aoo on route, becomes bloodied. Gets attack from Wulf. Scores a crit 20x2+10 (50) Gets a free attack against another creature, does another 20+10= (30)
Total 70+ 380 running total= 450
Then attacks original target in middle
Uses Great Cleave. Gets a crit. Does 30x2 +10 (70) Damage to target.
Gets a free attack on another creature from the crit, does 20+ 10 (30)
Does 15 +10 Damage to the other 8 identical creatures adjacent to
target from Great Cleaves effect (25x8= 200)
300+ 460= 760 Damage in 2 acts
That should serve as a base. I'm sure more is possible
I could get utterly sad, and assume that upon the second skullcleavers activation it kills some of the creatures, which then deathburst (assume lady vol). These deathbursts kill the 6 allied Guards of Mithral Hall arranged around the outside, which then all grant free attacks to the skullcleave warrios, which then score crits with every free attack getting secondary bonus attacks...
I win
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Kevizoid
Sergeant
373 Posts
Southern California
| | 07/12/2008 4:38 PM |
| | Actually shifter claw wins. not you Gib :P. impossible to beat limitless attacks lol. | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1887 Posts
Portland OR
| | 07/12/2008 5:40 PM |
| Either we are running out of viable combos or people are getting bored...
Originally this was to be more of an informational thread rather than a theoretical one. I was hoping to see more realistic situations (rather then there happening to be 8 of the same type of creature huddled together.
Yes the shifter theoretically still wins. Unfortunately I think everyone is aware of this potential now. I hope they cap him to 4 att's. | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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OhGodtheRats
174 Posts
| | 07/12/2008 7:17 PM |
| Ah, don't let one silly example taint a good idea. My submission is a little silly too, but at least it's one that I've done in dozens of game over the past few months (usually with cubes but now once with the E.C. Crawler, an abbreviation that totally sounds like a designer shoe brand).
On the topic of the Skullcleave, I keep mentioning that teaming him with Champions and pieces that enhance criticals would be golden. Problem is I'm not sure exactly who that means completely. I know that by teaming him with a Young Red Dragon lets you do an extra 20 for the critical, but are there other pieces that stack damage when you roll a critical besides the Dragon? | | | |
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Kevizoid
Sergeant
373 Posts
Southern California
| | 07/12/2008 7:20 PM |
| Posted By Lord_rock on 07/12/2008 5:40 PM
Either we are running out of viable combos or people are getting bored...
Originally this was to be more of an informational thread rather than a theoretical one. I was hoping to see more realistic situations (rather then there happening to be 8 of the same type of creature huddled together.
Yes the shifter theoretically still wins. Unfortunately I think everyone is aware of this potential now. I hope they cap him to 4 att's.
Shifter doesn't need a cap really...he has his problems but he's got some damn good potential. At least in an open meta. But some stuff can kick the crap out of him. That attack he has totally destroys low AC hitters. | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1887 Posts
Portland OR
| | 07/12/2008 8:08 PM |
| not too worried about him bit it makes the game a lot more swingy and makes luck more important than skill. In some instances that is ok; here, in a meta where helpless shows up suddenly, it isn't fun to have a single roll (the helpless att) dictate a game.
He has potential. I'm building around multiples of him a lot.
Don't worry, this thread has a lot of fun left in. Just a friendly reminder that the more obscure we go the less useful it is. | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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gibberling
Skirmisher
2 Posts
| | 07/13/2008 2:06 AM |
| Posted By Kevizoid on 07/12/2008 4:38 PM
Actually shifter claw wins. not you Gib :P. impossible to beat limitless attacks lol. Well, they can only attack one creature eack, so the maximum one could do would be 250 odd (whatever the hp of the new HRD is)
(Lord Rock) I'll get the two biggest out of the way to show you how to play the game.
Slightly condecending? I just wanted to prove you wrong :p
(oh god rats) Ah, don't let one silly example taint a good idea.
It was a silly example, however most of the examples posted so far are silly and unlikely. We clearly draw a line somewhere, and practically anything past horse wulfregar/wwc combos is pretty unlikely. The Shifter Claw Adept bands are one trick conditional ponies, and would get trounced by lots of things.
For more "practical" examples you could have
EB Buffed Blademaster x2, very reliable way to do 160 (both using the sweeping attack vs 2 different creatures each)
EB Buffed Cleric of Orcus x2. Censer whirl does 30 against everything based
Besides, the theoretical maximum damage in 2 activations I can get to (which is actually possible), assuming ideal conditions is 5090.
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Kevizoid
Sergeant
373 Posts
Southern California
| | 07/13/2008 3:07 PM |
| Posted By gibberling on 07/13/2008 2:06 AM Posted By Kevizoid on 07/12/2008 4:38 PM
Actually shifter claw wins. not you Gib :P. impossible to beat limitless attacks lol. Well, they can only attack one creature eack, so the maximum one could do would be 250 odd (whatever the hp of the new HRD is) (Lord Rock) I'll get the two biggest out of the way to show you how to play the game.
Slightly condecending? I just wanted to prove you wrong :p
(oh god rats) Ah, don't let one silly example taint a good idea.
It was a silly example, however most of the examples posted so far are silly and unlikely. We clearly draw a line somewhere, and practically anything past horse wulfregar/wwc combos is pretty unlikely. The Shifter Claw Adept bands are one trick conditional ponies, and would get trounced by lots of things.
For more "practical" examples you could have
EB Buffed Blademaster x2, very reliable way to do 160 (both using the sweeping attack vs 2 different creatures each)
EB Buffed Cleric of Orcus x2. Censer whirl does 30 against everything based
Besides, the theoretical maximum damage in 2 activations I can get to (which is actually possible), assuming ideal conditions is 5090.
So what? None of this is actually practicial. Theoretically the shifterclaw does more damage than anything. At the very least he does the most damage to one single target... | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1887 Posts
Portland OR
| | 07/13/2008 11:12 PM |
| | a little "call to arms" was a good way to get things going. I was really just trying to get those 2 out of the way to get people going elsewhere. I was hoping someone would come up with more stuff out of atg but skullcleave shifter and blademaster seem to be about it... Sad. | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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