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Lord_rock
Underboss
1788 Posts
    
Portland OR
 | | 06/17/2008 5:16 PM |
| | Ummm... Yeah!
Lg shadow dragon x2
lurking wraith x3
AtG 3 pointer x3
Wow... +12 charge vs def for 30dmg and enervated... Enervation + insubstatial + conceal 11 means, theoretically, the enemy is at 25% dmg output... Shift and phase back behind the wall and do it again while shadow jumping away... Ouch... Guerrilla tactics 101...
See ddmspoilers for more info. | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1788 Posts
Portland OR
| | 06/17/2008 5:24 PM |
| ps- I hope it's evil= 50dmg + enervation = happiness
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Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1788 Posts
Portland OR
| | 06/17/2008 5:24 PM |
| Or-
Wandmage
sheildguardian
lurking wraith x2
chillborn x2
3pt x3
Wandmage
sheildguardian
lurking wraith x2
shadow x2
3pt x4
lurking wraith x 5
shadow x2
3pt x3 | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Tooninki
Warrior
271 Posts
Finland
| | 06/17/2008 10:32 PM |
| | You have stats for the Wraith?! | |
Life is...
Vindicated AtG shot: Shadow Giant (Death Titan)
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1788 Posts
Portland OR
| | 06/17/2008 11:27 PM |
| Brought to you by greyhaze and the letter 2...
31pts-underdark
Lvl 8
ac 19
def 21
hp 40
f6
+11 VS REF for 15necrotic + enervation
Undead-shadow
phasing, flight, insubstantial, resist 20 necrotic, vul 10 radiant
Special ability:
+15 necrotic Dmg if a creature does not have LOS to the wraith at the begining of a creatures turn.
.............
I like em! As long as there's no crits and no resistant necro you have the premiere hit and run machine. 40 insubstantial hp is ok... Would have felt better with 50. | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3803 Posts
USA
| | 06/18/2008 3:17 AM |
| Posted By Lord_rock on 06/17/2008 5:24 PM
ps- I hope it's evil= 50dmg + enervation = happiness
I do not think its Evil. Given its number 51 in the set, likely to be Neutral.Â
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Sirohk, the Bard of Heartstone
Knight of the Rahshasa's
And Crusader of the Zakya, Ak'chazar, Naztharune, and Naityan Rakshasa's | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10283 Posts
United States
| | 06/18/2008 5:07 AM |
| If the stats are right, four of these things could be a problem for some bands, especially with a beneficial map.
The problem will be finding a high enough champion rating to secure a good chance at winning map. Underdark isn't known for its ratings there.
Dave | |
Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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XAos
Underboss
2382 Posts
London
| | 06/18/2008 5:37 AM |
| My Favourite map for phasing-charges has always been the teleport temple. The placement of walls & teleports on that map makes phasing awesome in it's ability to move anywhere & attack anything.
However the Wraith looks distinctly sub-par to me.
Unless that spoiler is missing something...?
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Don't worry about the current metagame. It doesn't matter if it's ugly, bad, or the best ever. In 2 years time, set rotation will ban everything. | |
| Master of the
Awesome Sauce
Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7146 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 06/18/2008 9:50 AM |
| Not a lot of HPs...
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Official Delegate, Wizards of the Coast
Against The Giants Called Shot: Huge Green Dragon
Icons Called Shot: Gargantuan Prismatic Dragon
"Rejoice, for bad things are about to happen." | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1788 Posts
Portland OR
| | 06/18/2008 11:02 AM |
| as long as your opponent isn't crit lucky or ghost touch that 5 wraith band above has over 400hp...
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Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Tooninki
Warrior
271 Posts
Finland
| | 06/18/2008 2:03 PM |
| Thanks for the stats! :D
Hmm, 1 Wraith or 2 Shadows!? | |
Life is...
Vindicated AtG shot: Shadow Giant (Death Titan)
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10283 Posts
United States
| | 06/18/2008 2:05 PM |
| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 06/18/2008 9:50 AM
Not a lot of HPs...
Arcadian Avenger, for 31 points, doesn't have many more. And, they're not so lucky as to talk half damage...
Dave
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Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1788 Posts
Portland OR
| | 06/18/2008 2:50 PM |
| I pose this band for review as all to combine my threads:
Blood golem of hextor
lurking wraith x2
Duergar slaver
shadow x2
delver sergt
3pter x3
Or
bloodgolem
lurking wraith x2
duergar slaver
shadow
delver segt
deathjump spider
3pter x2
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Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1788 Posts
Portland OR
| | 06/18/2008 5:04 PM |
| PS-
I forgot, +11 vs. Def (ref)... A big difference | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3803 Posts
USA
| | 06/19/2008 3:14 AM |
| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 06/18/2008 9:50 AM
Not a lot of HPs...
40 Hit Points is more like 80 HP with Insubstantial. So 80 HP for a cost of 31. Hmm, a little better.Â
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Sirohk, the Bard of Heartstone
Knight of the Rahshasa's
And Crusader of the Zakya, Ak'chazar, Naztharune, and Naityan Rakshasa's | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1788 Posts
Portland OR
| | 06/19/2008 9:56 AM |
| | and they enervate! A figure that usually swings for 20 does 5 dmg to them if the wraith gets the drop on em. Not bad at all. I would still feel better about 50hp but I just don't see a figure giving em another 10hp... There are healing options however. | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1788 Posts
Portland OR
| | 06/22/2008 5:37 PM |
| | and, well this might be a topic for an entire thread, anyway- in 1.0, due to the roll attached to incorpreal, it was chancy to play it on a big piece. Since it's automatically half damage now can an insubstantial creature make it to the big dance? I say maybe. The lurking wraiths are borderline. Like I said, I'd be very happy if they had 50hp. In general I think they should have a touch over half the hp they were supposed to have. | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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XAos
Underboss
2382 Posts
London
| | 06/23/2008 1:05 AM |
| Posted By Lord_rock on 06/19/2008 9:56 AM
and they enervate! A figure that usually swings for 20 does 5 dmg to them if the wraith gets the drop on em. Not bad at all. I would still feel better about 50hp but I just don't see a figure giving em another 10hp... There are healing options however. "Not bad" when the wraith hits. With +11 tohit, thats far from certain.
When the wraith misses it's ouchtime for the wraith.
The 15 extra damage & enervated look strong until you spot that they negativly combo with each other.
i.e. the point of the 15 extra damage is to kill units in the first turn of contact. But concentrating attacks to kill one unit, wastes multiple enervation effects. Conversly if you spread the attacks to try to enervate everything. All the enemies will survive that round. And you won't get the +15 damage on subsequent rounds.
I agree that 10 extra HP would have improved the wraith to about par for a tier-1 figure.
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Don't worry about the current metagame. It doesn't matter if it's ugly, bad, or the best ever. In 2 years time, set rotation will ban everything. | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1788 Posts
Portland OR
| | 06/23/2008 3:23 PM |
| | I suspect with future undead boosting he'll still be around. 10hp really would have done it though. | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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