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Vrecknidj
Warlord
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 | | 06/22/2008 7:28 AM |
| I have the data from the qualifiers up to June 21, not including Toronto. Of them, here are the pieces that are most often in the top 4.
Farmer   181   20.22%
Kuo-toa Whip   65   7.26%
Merchant Guard   65   7.26%
Eternal Blade   58   6.48%
Kobold Archer   57   6.37%
Darkmantle   54   6.03%
Warhorse   51   5.70%
Wulfgar   44   4.92%
Wild Mage   35   3.91%
Human Sellsword   30   3.35%
Oni   16   1.79%
Mind Flayer Lich   15   1.68%
Elf Archer   13   1.45%
Astral Stalker   12   1.34%
Delver Sergeant   12   1.34%
Arcadian Avenger   11   1.23%
Raistlin   10   1.12%
Ravenous Ghoul   10   1.12%
Boneshard Skeleton   9   1.01%
Capricious Copper Dragon   9   1.01%
Mercenary General   9   1.01%
The percentage indicates the percentage of the total number of pieces. So, for example, of all the pieces in all the top 4 bands, the Farmer represents 20.22%. In other words, just a bit more than one out of every five pieces in all the top 4 bands is a Farmer.
Dave
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Temysry
Sergeant
463 Posts
| | 06/22/2008 8:25 AM |
| A more telling metric would be to find the total number of points worth of each mini in all the top 4 bands.
ie - how many points were spent on farmers among all "top 4" bands? So - in each case you multiply the frequency by their cost. This will pretty clearly show just how prevalent certain pieces are. When you look at the new order, it will more closely match what people believe are the strongest pieces out there that are "dominating" this year's qualifiers.
Eternal Blade   58x54 = 3132
Wulfgar   44x54 = 2376
Kuo-toa Whip   65x25 = 1625
Wild Mage   35x29 = 1015
Mind Flayer Lich   15x63 = 945
Warhorse   51x16 = 816
Oni   16x38 = 608
Farmer   181x3 = 543Â
Astral Stalker   12x45 = 540
Capricious Copper Dragon   9x58 = 522
Merchant Guard   65x8 = 520
Human Sellsword   30x14 = 420
Mercenary General   9x42 = 378
Kobold Archer   57x6 = 342
Arcadian Avenger   11x31 = 341
Darkmantle   54x6 = 324
Raistlin   10x26 = 260
Delver Sergeant   12x15 = 180
Ravenous Ghoul   10x8 = 80
Elf Archer   13x5 = 65
Boneshard Skeleton   9x7 = 63
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Sirohk
Commander
3812 Posts
USA
| | 06/22/2008 10:22 AM |
| Posted By Vrecknidj on 06/22/2008 7:28 AM
I have the data from the qualifiers up to June 21, not including Toronto. Of them, here are the pieces that are most often in the top 4.
Farmer   181   20.22%
Kuo-toa Whip   65   7.26%
Merchant Guard   65   7.26%
Eternal Blade   58   6.48%
Kobold Archer   57   6.37%
Darkmantle   54   6.03%
Warhorse   51   5.70%
Wulfgar   44   4.92%
Wild Mage   35   3.91%
Human Sellsword   30   3.35%
Oni   16   1.79%
Mind Flayer Lich   15   1.68%
Elf Archer   13   1.45%
Astral Stalker   12   1.34%
Delver Sergeant   12   1.34%
Arcadian Avenger   11   1.23%
Raistlin   10   1.12%
Ravenous Ghoul   10   1.12%
Boneshard Skeleton   9   1.01%
Capricious Copper Dragon   9   1.01%
Mercenary General   9   1.01%
The percentage indicates the percentage of the total number of pieces. So, for example, of all the pieces in all the top 4 bands, the Farmer represents 20.22%. In other words, just a bit more than one out of every five pieces in all the top 4 bands is a Farmer.
Dave
No surprises there.Â
Does anyone think this will change much at the Championships? There will be AtG and All Stars added to the mix. IMO most of the Top 10 will continue until rotated out.  Unless something drastic changes, watch out for WEW and Thrall. They will show up em mass.Â
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1792 Posts
Portland OR
| | 06/22/2008 10:38 AM |
| I do think that the second list is more relevant:
EB will be eternally on the list... If there is a broken piece in the game it's her.
wulfgar will be on the list but will probably move down some as time moves on. He's big by himself but it's combos that make him rock.
warhorse will dip a little as people use the WeW for the charge boost at cheaper but will still be around due to the extra att.
MF lich will disapear near completely as the thrall and the virt charger make their way into bands.
whips... I don't know... I feel like they are on the way out but that means nothing as I didn't see em coming in the first place.
farmer: make a better three pointer... Likely to move down the list as other factions get a 3pt piece or if thier own faction diversifies at 3pts.
oni: on the rise, people are just starting to play em
sellsword: come in multiples and will drag around the bottom of the list until mounts, wulfie, and EB fall.
asral stalker: will come and go. Just a solid piece.
elf/kobold archer- both are awesome for thier points and will see play for some time to come...even with more fodder options; they are that good. | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Barry
Skirmisher
41 Posts
| | 06/22/2008 1:23 PM |
| I think you should drop the fodder pieces off the list.. ie 10 pts or less. They are not the core of the bands just add ins. That would leave the main pieces that the warbands are built around.
Also I think you should change the format to % of warbands and not % of total pieces. That would give you a rough approximation of the % to see that piece across from you at any given matchup (skewed of course by mulitples..ie whips)
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10301 Posts
United States
| | 06/22/2008 2:50 PM |
| Posted By Sirohk on 06/22/2008 10:22 AM
Does anyone think this will change much at the Championships? There will be AtG and All Stars added to the mix. IMO most of the Top 10 will continue until rotated out.  Unless something drastic changes, watch out for WEW and Thrall. They will show up em mass.Â
I do think that this will change. I think that the Eternal Blade will probably still be quite popular, in large part because she's so well-known already. But, Against the Giants will shake things up a little, and the All Stars should shake things up a lot. Given how many rares there are in the All Stars, I would think that we'll see a lot more decent pieces than in a usual set.
Dave
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10301 Posts
United States
| | 06/22/2008 3:21 PM |
| Some more data then...
Of the 60 bands that have qualified so far, 40 have had at least one Eternal Blade.
Of those 40, 30 have had a Wulfgar.
Of the 60 bands that have qualified, 29 have had one or more Warhorse figures.
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XAos
Underboss
2384 Posts
London
| | 06/23/2008 1:16 AM |
| Posted By Lord_rock on 06/22/2008 10:38 AM
I do think that the second list is more relevant:
EB will be eternally on the list... If there is a broken piece in the game it's her.
2nd list certainly more relevant. I don't think the EB is quuite strong enough to be broken (almost, but not quite)
Giants & Underdark should add a few more warbands. The Ochre Jelly may prove just as dominant in purple/green as EB is in red. | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7146 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 06/23/2008 8:49 AM |
| I think most of the top 10 will say the same.
I think the whips or the Darkmantle are the most likely to fall out.
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10301 Posts
United States
| | 06/23/2008 9:27 AM |
| It's been a weird qualifier season, that's for sure. I really hope that there's more variety in the bands next year.
I wonder what a Vintage qualifier season will look like?
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1792 Posts
Portland OR
| | 06/23/2008 10:07 AM |
| vintage will be dominated by mounted wulfgar with the EB unless they make some major changes, which, frankly, if they were going to do they probably would have already. Losing faith that vintage will be anything special very quickly.
All-stars: rarity means nothing; thee most powerful and prevalent piece is an uncommon. I have a feeling all-stars won't be all stars; I wonder if they'll even get em out near on time since the art dept is probably deadlocked in forgotten realms stuff...damn art dept! At least 4e looks good.
I hope EB/wulfgar falls, but the cost to the game could be great if the design team doesn't do it right (hate pieces seldom fix broken pieces, other pieces can't fix old pieces in a negative way, overpowering other pieces to compensate for the strength of a broken piece unbalances the game; ban or restat... Those are the only viable options).
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Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10301 Posts
United States
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7146 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 06/23/2008 2:39 PM |
| | DRIDER!!! | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1792 Posts
Portland OR
| | 06/23/2008 6:06 PM |
| I, personally, never feared storm. Played a lot of lich queen vampire dire wolf in those day... Ate storm dancers and storm wizards for breakfast... 50-50 shot vs ultroforge and a decent shot against blacks. Anyway...
EB is broken. It needs fixing if we are to have as healthy a meta as we are supposed to. EB makes the most powerful combos possible, breaks movement rules, defender, huge defenses, good att and dmg on her own, and buffs up to 3 figures +10% to hit and 30-50% dmg, and and and has the best champ rating... Lose anyone of these and she's powerful, 2 and she's still tier 1. She determines the META in a way no other piece can or ever should. (did I mention she ruins and discourages theme bands and creature synergies?) | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10301 Posts
United States
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vanrulzz
Underboss
2468 Posts
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| | 06/23/2008 9:16 PM |
| | well they can't but i bet now if they could they would... | | | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1792 Posts
Portland OR
| | 06/23/2008 9:48 PM |
| they can... Nothing is simpler... 2 phone calls and a website update and it's done.
The hardest part is admitting they were wrong. That is the part they THINK they CAN'T do. | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7146 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 06/24/2008 12:22 PM |
| No, it is incredibly difficult to put the change out for everyone. Keep in mind that a vast majority of players don't access these or any other forums or websites. they buy, and they play. Now, imagine the confusion and ire when they show up to a local qualifier, on a whim, and their favorite piece is neutered.
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1792 Posts
Portland OR
| | 06/24/2008 3:34 PM |
| as long as it is in the dci and errata (see 2 phone calls and a website update) it is fixed for all needed purposes. Casual players play as they like, new players learn the hardway sometimes, and it's business as usual for competitive players-- the only ones such things as bannings and errata TRUELY effect. I would never attend a qualifier without checking new rulings and errata...if it was a friendly event I would deal with it or choose to go home; it's part of the game.
While I admit that there would be a few cases where this could happen, that is very small compared to the problems the piece causes to the entire community. I can handle a handful of people not being happy for a few days if it equates to more overall enjoyment for the thousands and thousands of others for the entirety of the game.
Not fixing a major flaw in your product is irresponsible at best and I don't even want to think about its implications at worst. | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7146 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 06/24/2008 3:49 PM |
| Unless the piece is wrecking the game, and i don't believe it is, then i don't see the purpose of going to all the trouble.
If it ain't broke (and I don't believe it is broken) then don't fix it.
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3858 Posts
Adelaide
| | 06/24/2008 6:44 PM |
| Posted By Vrecknidj on 06/23/2008 2:07 PM Last year at this time, everyone was complaining about Storm Silverhand.  Okay, or Triple Black, or UltroForge... Dave
And a half dozen other bands IIRC that you had to be wary off. Sure, triple black and storm got most vocal complaints but there was a massivily wide meta.
Posted By Teflon Jeff on 06/24/2008 12:22 PM
No, it is incredibly difficult to put the change out for everyone. Keep in mind that a vast majority of players don't access these or any other forums or websites. they buy, and they play. Now, imagine the confusion and ire when they show up to a local qualifier, on a whim, and their favorite piece is neutered.
Agreed, but no different to changing mount rules, VP articles etc. | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10301 Posts
United States
| | 06/24/2008 8:11 PM |
| Honestly, the Flooded Ruins map, by itself, is going to severely dent the Warhorse and Wulfgar bands. The Eternal Blade can still shine (EB + WMx3 might do well on that map), but, the meta is winding up for the championships, and we're not going to see as many non-flying, non-ranged bands.
I think.
Dave | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1792 Posts
Portland OR
| | 06/24/2008 11:56 PM |
| | they keep doing that for the championships... I'm not sure I like it. Shifts the META for sure but it feels different. | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3812 Posts
USA
| | 06/25/2008 3:15 AM |
| Posted By Vrecknidj on 06/24/2008 8:11 PM
Honestly, the Flooded Ruins map, by itself, is going to severely dent the Warhorse and Wulfgar bands. The Eternal Blade can still shine (EB + WMx3 might do well on that map), but, the meta is winding up for the championships, and we're not going to see as many non-flying, non-ranged bands.
I think.
Dave
I agree Dave. And Warhorse + Exarch or Thrall warbands.Â
On the other hand, Mounted warbands can still do ok on Flooded Ruins as long as they have good ranged support to open up the Teleport Square to be able to get their Mounted piece through. Once over, they can then wreck havoc. But there might be a price to pay in getting there and could that be what turns the tide of the game.Â
I think one will see balanced warabnds that have a chance on all three maps. It looks like there will be some new stuff to try with Unhallowed and AtG. Then when the All Stars hit, it will get very interesting.Â
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10301 Posts
United States
| | 06/25/2008 5:41 AM |
| I wish the Large Shadow Dragon were a little bit tougher. The piece is nicely suited to all the maps since they all have a lot of walls on them. And, they can avoid some of the ranged bands thanks to Hide. However, since there are plenty of line attacks and radius attacks that can still hit them, they're still vulnerable. And, honestly, a Stunned Large Shadow Dragon isn't much of a threat.
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My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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mege
Sneak
67 Posts
| | 06/25/2008 7:13 AM |
| Posted By Vrecknidj on 06/25/2008 5:41 AM
I wish the Large Shadow Dragon were a little bit tougher. The piece is nicely suited to all the maps since they all have a lot of walls on them. And, they can avoid some of the ranged bands thanks to Hide. However, since there are plenty of line attacks and radius attacks that can still hit them, they're still vulnerable. And, honestly, a Stunned Large Shadow Dragon isn't much of a threat.
Dave  Â
This is one of the pieces which the Wild Mage keeps in check. It's really unfortunate that [A] attacks don't need a 'real' target even for sight. Though, it does help balance invisible/hide so it's less prevelent. | | | |
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LastNephelim
Skirmisher
1 Posts
| | 06/25/2008 7:43 AM |
| I don't miss playing against the ubiquitous Triple Shadow Dragons. I don't think the Eternal Blade is any more "broken" than they were in DDM 1.0.
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10301 Posts
United States
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MAURIZIO
Sergeant
930 Posts
Lima, Perú
| | 06/25/2008 11:31 PM |
| Kua Toa whip, what a surprise for me, but when I use Bifur, I notice why is used to frequently.
Nice to know, everyday we learn something new! | |
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Kevizoid
Sergeant
373 Posts
Southern California
| | 06/26/2008 12:42 AM |
| | I already have like 5 good bands so far in the new meta which kick the crap out of EB builds. I'm not that worried about them anymore. | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10301 Posts
United States
| | 06/26/2008 5:19 AM |
| Posted By Kevizoid on 06/26/2008 12:42 AM
I already have like 5 good bands so far in the new meta which kick the crap out of EB builds. I'm not that worried about them anymore. Which new meta?
Unhallowed?
Unhallowed and Against the Giants?
Unhallowed, Against the Giants, and All Stars?
Dave
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Barry
Skirmisher
41 Posts
| | 06/26/2008 12:19 PM |
| Playing on Vassal alot lately, Ive seen a wide variety of builds using UH beta that are beating typical EB/Wulgar types. UH should open the meta alot and AtG probably even more.
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7146 Posts
Idaho. Yes, we have Gamers in Idaho.
| | 06/26/2008 12:28 PM |
| EB is great because it synergizes well with so many other things.
Like Oregano.
You can add a dash, and it's probably now better.
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10301 Posts
United States
| | 06/26/2008 1:15 PM |
| Posted By Barry on 06/26/2008 12:19 PM
Playing on Vassal alot lately, Ive seen a wide variety of builds using UH beta that are beating typical EB/Wulgar types. Such as?
Dave
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Kevizoid
Sergeant
373 Posts
Southern California
| | 06/26/2008 1:32 PM |
| UH + AtG insofar.
and I won't give up my advantage of having limitless time to test this season :P
One though is triple caller in darkness which can put some pain on those builds. Wulfgar hitting himself for 40 is hil-arious. I actually needed him to crit himself to win a game but he didn't so I lost lol. | |
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Barry
Skirmisher
41 Posts
| | 06/26/2008 5:34 PM |
| Yes caller in darkness is one of the better pieces coming out of unhallowed.  A dual caller, Blich band was a real pain to face.
Although Im curious why is there only 1 undead in UNH that is vulnerable to radiant?
Barry
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10301 Posts
United States
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Xeris
Skirmisher
27 Posts
| | 06/27/2008 4:38 AM |
| I don't understand... Why is she so popular...
EB is played as much as SKULLCLAMP was back when Ravager-Affinity was so popular in Magic (Mirroden Block)
Seriously... I think it was...56 out of a possible 64 Skullclamps were used in the Top Pro Tour decks that year.
I see where the "Ban or Restat" thing comes in for this instance...
Eb is like a really bad joke... seriously...
"Hey D&D R&D! Let's make a figure with so much combo potential that developing strategies to work around such madness is completely out the window!
10 DEF increase to entire warband...
Bounding assault.
K E Y W O R D HATE?
Why do I feel so insulted of this borderlands only piece... why...
Oh wait...
because the metagame is simply "Spank." and activation control is completely out of the question against a Good EB player with a GOOD combo and a sandbox situation.
Whoever thought of this, should have been fired... and everyone that this went through that had to approve the piece should have been fired... HOWEVER, whatever may have spawned the ingenuity or cold resolve to create such a monster, I am certain that, without a doubt, this piece had not actually gone through rigorous play testing with it's new stats.
I don't mean to insult, and I certainly don't mean to complain about the power of such a unit among the several hundred at disposal, but considering the ever expanding popularity of such a warband, and having played against it enough times, I do believe it is safe to infer that it has become a game of...
*Drum roll*
"Rocks and Scissors..." -HugS-
If you are not playing an EB combo, your likely hood of winning depends on impeccable (if not incalculable ) and reality shattering Luck.
Rock < Scissors > Rock
Rock > * < Rock
I like this game... I LOVE this game. I HATE EB.
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Dordledum
Commander
3193 Posts
Netherlands
| | 06/27/2008 5:02 AM |
| It's +10 def increase to the EB vs 1 attack only, AND +4 def for the entire party as champ power. If you rant, at least get your facts straight.
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Xeris
Skirmisher
27 Posts
| | 06/27/2008 5:03 AM |
| It's still amazing?
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