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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10301 Posts
    
United States
 | | 07/02/2008 5:56 AM |
| I've been thinking about these a little, and haven't had any time to test. I think that I've picked the 15 pieces that I most want to test for skirmish.
(The Shocktrooper Devil is probably one of the pieces I want most for RPG.)
Elf Arcane Archer
Ravenous Dire Rat
Hellwasp
Lurking Wraith
Tomebound Arcanist
Shifter Claw Adept
Storm Giant Thunderer
Goblin Runner
Skullcleave Warrior
Dwarf Warsword
Fire Giant Raider
Efreeti Flamestrider
Deathpriest of Orcus
Voracious Ice Devil
Mighty Blademaster
What's your list? How many do we have in common? Any surprises on my list?
Dave
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My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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XAos
Underboss
2384 Posts
London
| | 07/02/2008 8:26 AM |
| Posted By Vrecknidj on 07/02/2008 5:56 AM
Elf Arcane Archer
Tomebound Arcanist
Shifter Claw Adept
Goblin Runner
Skullcleave Warrior
Voracious Ice Devil
Those 6 I agree with, also;
Ochre Jelly   (activation control)
Galeb Duhr   (near invulnerability for last 2 rounds of tournament games)
None of the Huge fugures are really strong. | |
Don't worry about the current metagame. It doesn't matter if it's ugly, bad, or the best ever. In 2 years time, set rotation will ban everything. | |
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Kevizoid
Sergeant
373 Posts
Southern California
| | 07/02/2008 10:40 AM |
| | Take the wraith off your list lol. | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1792 Posts
Portland OR
| | 07/02/2008 11:48 AM |
| I see some benifit to the hellwasp in certain builds but overall I think it's a decent piece. Wraith has major potential in my opinion but as a single or dual piece only 6x wraith isn't likely to cut it. Rat is a three of piece but offers nothing else really. The ice devil just doesn't stack up if you ask me. Compare to the Lg Gold for 9 less... And the warsword is aweful... Why would you pick it over a champ of dol dorn?
Things that could replace these 3:
dragonborn defender- go back and look at this one
galeb duhr- wow... Wow...wow... Amazing
fist of moradin- 12pts! +1 ac and def would be enough, and the little bugger has 40hp (over 3:1 ratio).
Devil shock trooper gets honorable mention; great sculpt and not bad for 23pt.
Don't forget the feybound halfling either.
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Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3812 Posts
USA
| | 07/02/2008 2:43 PM |
| My list:
Elf Arcane Archer
Skullcleave Warrior
Mighty BLademaster
Storm Giant Thunderer
Fire Giant Raider
Efreeti Flamestrider
Deathpriest of Orcus
Dragonborn Myrmidon
Shifter Claw Adept
Eladrin Pyromancer
Hellwasp
Ravenous Dire Rat
Goblin Runner
Ochre Jelly
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Sirohk, the Bard of Heartstone
Knight of the Rahshasa's
And Crusader of the Zakya, Ak'chazar, Naztharune, and Naityan Rakshasa's | |
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bshugg
Underboss
1821 Posts
| | 07/03/2008 5:09 AM |
| My list is significantly shorter:
Skullcleave warrior- best fig of the set
Goblin Runner- amazing fodder
Dire Rat- meh but we needed it
Efreeti Flamestrider- Only "weird" fig I would consider building a band around
then a few I would mess with but not really sure I would play in a tournament:
Elf Arcane Archer- Has some potential against good players as it forces them outside their comfort zone of waiting for the opponent to screw up.
Storm Giant- Pretty impressive stats, not sure if titan builds can beat everything in 2.0
Mighty Bladehamster- would have to disregard the EB and Wulfgar first before considering for a band.
Firegiant Raver- Same as the storm giant.
Think thats about it. Maybe the ooze cause he's silly.
Deathpriest- Would be interesting in pairs but not sure how hot the band would be overall.
Hellwasp- Not as impressed as others. Very useful in the right type of band, but just an expensive fodder in some others.
Tomebound arcanist - I loved this fig until I saw it was a 1 turn confusion. Any band you want to build around him would be better built around a MFL. Still it would be fun casually | |
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Barry
Skirmisher
41 Posts
| | 07/03/2008 10:00 AM |
| Posted By bshugg on 07/03/2008 5:09 AM
My list is significantly shorter:
Skullcleave warrior- best fig of the set
Goblin Runner- amazing fodder
Dire Rat- meh but we needed it
Efreeti Flamestrider- Only "weird" fig I would consider building a band around
then a few I would mess with but not really sure I would play in a tournament:
Elf Arcane Archer- Has some potential against good players as it forces them outside their comfort zone of waiting for the opponent to screw up.
Storm Giant- Pretty impressive stats, not sure if titan builds can beat everything in 2.0
Mighty Bladehamster- would have to disregard the EB and Wulfgar first before considering for a band.
Firegiant Raver- Same as the storm giant.
Think thats about it. Maybe the ooze cause he's silly.
Deathpriest- Would be interesting in pairs but not sure how hot the band would be overall.
Hellwasp- Not as impressed as others. Very useful in the right type of band, but just an expensive fodder in some others.
Tomebound arcanist - I loved this fig until I saw it was a 1 turn confusion. Any band you want to build around him would be better built around a MFL. Still it would be fun casually I really like the Deathpriest as a pair. 30 ac/def side by side, makes a great dual titan band. 2 bgs, 2 koboldarchers, and 4 farmers might make and interesting band.
Hellwasp, is a maybe, probably best with skirmishers, like Virt Charger.Â
Arcane archers are overrated, they only really hurt UD/Wild bands. Civ/Border bands will simply BG the Arrows and then be on top of them beating face before it recharges.
Tomebound I think will be great in a Merc Gen band. Initiative and map with los is a must. It has the potential to lock down alot of bands on the start area... If Bat familiar is modified to play with this guy, fear Evermelt.
Storm Giant.... meh... dont get me wrong, good stats and all, but for the points Id rather have a FGJ for the stun abilities.
Mighty Blademaster has potential.... massive damage output... however for the points I see Skulls taking its spot.
Barry
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10301 Posts
United States
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The_Entropic_Wizard
Sneak
70 Posts
St Paul, MN
| | 07/03/2008 10:27 PM |
| I'm really, really looking forward to using the Undead in this set. Undead have always been my favorite to play, and they're getting a huge boost in pieces this go-round.
Faction-wise, looks like Borderlands got the lion's share (again). That makes me sad, but at the same time, there's some good stuff for the other factions as well.
The list is more what I'm looking forward to playing with, seeing as I don't play tournaments.
List!!!
Blackroot Treant
Boneclaw Impaler
Young Adamantine Dragon
Ravenous Dire Rat (simply because of this piece, so many more of my UD bands are going to be viable.. yay!)
Deathpriest of Orcus (drooling in anticipation of getting this one)
Doresain, the Ghoul King (166 pts for a medium...?)
Armored Guulvorg (mm.. an Epic Heirophant band.. yeah.)
Xorn Ravager (hooray for Burrow is all I have to say)
Fist of Moradin (I like free AC boosts for 12 pts.. don't you?)
Death Titan (I just want one. He looks bloody cool for a display piece)
Elder White (I think the best looking sculpt in the set)
Roper (because I was hideously disappointed to get this as a rare in Underdark. Then I traded it for a Lord of Blades and got even more disappointed)
Things I don't understand section:
Why the hell is Doresain -an Epic ONLY fig- medium?!?! I feel bloody cheated that a MEDIUM figure can't be used in 200 pt play... kinda like a reverse old-school Bulette... hmm....
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Champion of the Kruthik Hivemaster!
Adorable?? You wouldn't know 'adorable' if it ripped your throat out with it's teeth!! | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10301 Posts
United States
| | 07/04/2008 6:59 AM |
| I think that they needed to set a precedent for non-Huge, epic-only pieces. I suspect that there will be more, and this gives us a chance to get a feel for what they're like.
For the people who do play in tournaments, it'll be interesting to see how that piece does in the pre-release events.
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Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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Pedro
Commander
3922 Posts
Czech Republic
| | 07/04/2008 7:32 AM |
| What are the thoughts of the community on playing the big red dragon in the prerelease? As it costs +-384 points, only about 3 activations are possible with this little boy.
Is it worth it?
It gives itself 100 VP for free and with 20 VP for round, it shouldn't be that hard to sit on a VA for two three rounds, breathe and then kill smth small to get the champion points and it should be done:-)
On the other hand, how to kill that thing? | |
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XAos
Underboss
2384 Posts
London
| | 07/04/2008 7:45 AM |
| Posted By Pedro on 07/04/2008 7:32 AM
What are the thoughts of the community on playing the big red dragon in the prerelease? As it costs +-384 points, only about 3 activations are possible with this little boy.
Is it worth it?
It gives itself 100 VP for free and with 20 VP for round, it shouldn't be that hard to sit on a VA for two three rounds, breathe and then kill smth small to get the champion points and it should be done:-)
On the other hand, how to kill that thing?
Very few of the huge figures in this set are cost-effective.
Most of them are casually beatable with their points cost in rares from the set.
The only notable exception is the Cyclone/air-elemental thing.
I'd play the huge red in sealed, only if the two rares I drew were both poor.
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Don't worry about the current metagame. It doesn't matter if it's ugly, bad, or the best ever. In 2 years time, set rotation will ban everything. | |
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Brig
Skirmisher
26 Posts
| | 07/04/2008 7:54 AM |
| Posted By Pedro on 07/04/2008 7:32 AM
What are the thoughts of the community on playing the big red dragon in the prerelease? As it costs +-384 points, only about 3 activations are possible with this little boy.
Is it worth it?
It gives itself 100 VP for free and with 20 VP for round, it shouldn't be that hard to sit on a VA for two three rounds, breathe and then kill smth small to get the champion points and it should be done:-)
On the other hand, how to kill that thing?
The problem with that tactic is any opponent with his salt will not allow you to sit there on the VA. To get the VP you need to kill things and the opponent should make sure that happens well away from VA. You will also be severly out activated early. It can work because the red is very hard to hit but if your opponent gets hot dice it will end quickly. | |
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Brig
Skirmisher
26 Posts
| | 07/04/2008 7:57 AM |
| Posted By XAos on 07/04/2008 7:45 AM Posted By Pedro on 07/04/2008 7:32 AM
What are the thoughts of the community on playing the big red dragon in the prerelease? As it costs +-384 points, only about 3 activations are possible with this little boy.
Is it worth it?
It gives itself 100 VP for free and with 20 VP for round, it shouldn't be that hard to sit on a VA for two three rounds, breathe and then kill smth small to get the champion points and it should be done:-)
On the other hand, how to kill that thing? Very few of the huge figures in this set are cost-effective. Most of them are casually beatable with their points cost in rares from the set. The only notable exception is the Cyclone/air-elemental thing. I'd play the huge red in sealed, only if the two rares I drew were both poor.
The non huges that will give the huges significant issues are the Ghoul King (epic only), Ice Devil, and Storm Giant. You will most likely need to field at least one huge baring a pairing of aforementioned three rares. The AC and DEF values are too high for reliable hitting from most rares.
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Tooninki
Warrior
272 Posts
Finland
| | 07/04/2008 11:26 AM |
| Thanks for intel, whatabout figs that are good in sealed (400pts)!?
Prerelease is tomorrow and time to build a band is short! | |
Life is...
Vindicated AtG shot: Shadow Giant (Death Titan)
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1792 Posts
Portland OR
| | 07/04/2008 1:31 PM |
| | forget not the firegiant raider! He ain't too shabby either. | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Barry
Skirmisher
41 Posts
| | 07/04/2008 1:49 PM |
| Dont forget the sickening auto kill combo of Ghoul King and Claw shifter
Barry
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FriendlyAlienist
Sneak
100 Posts
Finland
| | 07/04/2008 2:54 PM |
| Wow. Doresain with Delver Sergeants should also hurt big time in normal Epic :-S
Edit: Okay, should not stack...
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Champion of Gibbering Abomination, Knight of All Things Aberrant | |
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OhGodtheRats
Sneak
157 Posts
| | 07/05/2008 7:34 PM |
| After a release day of many warbands murdering each other, I just have to say the Earth Titan & the Storm Giant Thunderer together really dominated. I don't know if it was a lot of luck, but I don't think too many folks have looked at the already previewed Earth Titan as a figure to turn the tide. That range 20 Staggered save ends brutalized a lot of warbands today.
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10301 Posts
United States
| | 07/05/2008 7:50 PM |
| The Tiefling Gladiator was impressive. I don't recall all the stats, I'm sure someone will post them.
But, in the right hands, it can affect the meta.
Dave | |
Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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The_Entropic_Wizard
Sneak
70 Posts
St Paul, MN
| | 07/05/2008 10:39 PM |
| It turned out that the Thunderburst Cyclone just ruled everything at my pre-release. Almost all the top bands were running one. Earth Titan didn't even make a showing; at least what I saw. A couple Fire Titans, a couple Chain Golems (which I now call the Bane of My Existence), and strangely enough, a couplefew Adamantine Dragons. *shrug* It's hard to resist dropping dragons into your warband, even if they're kinda poor, stat wise.
I pulled the Elder Red, and I could not resist running it. So I did a 3 act warband; ERD and 2 Goblin Runners, and I went 2 and 5. Believe it or not, I had no problems whooping the crap out of most everything on the board. A Death Titan ended up getting hot dice and killing me, but what got me were the two Chain Golem bands I ran against. Even with def (fort) 37, all they had to do was roll one crit with Binding Chains, and game over. It happened twice. Red Dragon is one massively scary beast of a fig, but if you get him in a sealed... for the love of god do NOT run him. Grr. | |
Champion of the Kruthik Hivemaster!
Adorable?? You wouldn't know 'adorable' if it ripped your throat out with it's teeth!! | |
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Tooninki
Warrior
272 Posts
Finland
| | 07/06/2008 2:28 AM |
| I agree, Thunderblast Cyclone was a beast, that lightning storm is great! range sight, radius 4, 40pts dmg & allmost 100% of second use was a winner!
We only played 3 games, but other great minis (that did their job) were Rat & Runner, they both died to protect my bigger meanies in all 3 games, in 2 games they were only minis to die...
And have to say that Ice devil is really nice! | |
Life is...
Vindicated AtG shot: Shadow Giant (Death Titan)
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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
| | 07/07/2008 5:26 PM |
| | I never got to use my second blast. People went after my other pieces | |
Champion of Prit(Wemic vindication is here)
Minneapolis/St. Paul area
Completed trades: Aspect of Cheese (Love that moniker), Tickparasite, Elderthing, Lalato, Sodj, Grimoire, SmilinIrish, Zeb, RWarehall,Link, wikkawikkawa, Auramancer, Rommers, HK, Ivid5,Qillan_dvra, Puggins, Arcabius, Ironfist Boulderbender, Robby, Corim Danex, monster_slayer, DNDJUNKIE, Kelemvor, Krush, ckissee, Massawyrm, hockey fan, Wish, Uninspiring Lieutenant, vtloon x2, Vrecknidj, Darthpoke, WakeXX, AnarionZell, lycusmike, papabear5 and umpteen local trades with board members
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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
| | 07/07/2008 5:41 PM |
| Posted By Vrecknidj on 07/03/2008 7:32 PM
Yeah, I'm seeing triple Skulls as a challenge to face. Whether or not they're on horses...
Dave
I'm doubting we'll see more than doubles, especially mounted. Trips mounted leaves room for Raistlin and very little bodyguarding and no champion. Methinks that could be a problem on Flooded Ruins as spread & charge MIGHT get you there, but no good way to displace a teleport sitter. A Lyrandar Skyfire Captain and twin mounted skullcleavers on the other hand... | |
Champion of Prit(Wemic vindication is here)
Minneapolis/St. Paul area
Completed trades: Aspect of Cheese (Love that moniker), Tickparasite, Elderthing, Lalato, Sodj, Grimoire, SmilinIrish, Zeb, RWarehall,Link, wikkawikkawa, Auramancer, Rommers, HK, Ivid5,Qillan_dvra, Puggins, Arcabius, Ironfist Boulderbender, Robby, Corim Danex, monster_slayer, DNDJUNKIE, Kelemvor, Krush, ckissee, Massawyrm, hockey fan, Wish, Uninspiring Lieutenant, vtloon x2, Vrecknidj, Darthpoke, WakeXX, AnarionZell, lycusmike, papabear5 and umpteen local trades with board members
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1792 Posts
Portland OR
| | 07/16/2008 3:29 PM |
| skullcleave is the new EB... 3 of them lay down 120 auto dmg thatyou can do nothing against. 87pts left in civ or BL means your bodyguards are toast before melee unless that's all you brought. Still thier free attacks will whittle them quickly too. Yeah for a shift in the meta away from EB and wulfgar! Boo for making this happen by releasing an even more powerful figure. At least I could be EB Wulfgar if they rolled average to bad... Now there is no rolling involved.
The chain golem snafu willhopefully get cleared up today. I hope so. I'm tired of cheesy wins because the design team didn't think ahead. | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10301 Posts
United States
| | 07/17/2008 3:04 PM |
| The Skullcleaves can lay down 120 auto damage but only if they get to you.
There continue to be more and more ways to prevent them from getting to you. And, there are always Bodyguards to take the crit.
Dave | |
Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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Kevizoid
Sergeant
373 Posts
Southern California
| | 07/17/2008 3:26 PM |
| | Bodyguards won't take the crit unless you are playing someone who doesn't know what they are doing. As they don't have to delcare the crit until after the BG step. | |
SoCal Colluder | |
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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
| | 07/17/2008 5:17 PM |
| | Maybe, but I can think there would be times I would want to crit the bodyguard, simply take him out of the aquation and finish the beatdown with the follow-up attack and another beater. Admittedly those instances are few. | |
Champion of Prit(Wemic vindication is here)
Minneapolis/St. Paul area
Completed trades: Aspect of Cheese (Love that moniker), Tickparasite, Elderthing, Lalato, Sodj, Grimoire, SmilinIrish, Zeb, RWarehall,Link, wikkawikkawa, Auramancer, Rommers, HK, Ivid5,Qillan_dvra, Puggins, Arcabius, Ironfist Boulderbender, Robby, Corim Danex, monster_slayer, DNDJUNKIE, Kelemvor, Krush, ckissee, Massawyrm, hockey fan, Wish, Uninspiring Lieutenant, vtloon x2, Vrecknidj, Darthpoke, WakeXX, AnarionZell, lycusmike, papabear5 and umpteen local trades with board members
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Lord_rock
Underboss
1792 Posts
Portland OR
| | 07/17/2008 5:47 PM |
| | The combination of crits, extra atts, and great cleave diminishes bodyguards enough that you have to pack in a lot and know how to manage them against someone who knows how what to do with the skullcleaves... They are icky for sure. | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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