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iluvxtina
Underboss
1501 Posts
    
Spain
 | | 07/06/2008 2:36 PM |
| Yesterday,my brother,some friends and me myself have taken part in an unofficial D&D minis tournament during the national comic stores event here,where I live.A large amount of players but only a very small pieces variety.I,ll explain myself: everybody playing the same.EB with all its variants (dual,triple,mounted wulfgar,etc,etc...) continue being the center piece in the most of the competitive warbands.I ran a EB+mounted wulfgar warband and faced mirror match three times (I only play five matchs so...make the count).Final unhallowed stats cards have had no skirmish impact (not much nor less...nothing=zero).
This is very,very boring and predictable.I only hope AtG will completely change the current meta or they will fix EB.If not,EB continue being the most unbalancing critter in the whole game making the new pieces unnecessary
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
| | 07/06/2008 5:58 PM |
| For those preparing for the GenCon championship, the meta is considerably different thanks to the effect of the three maps. I expect that as more and more becomes revealed about the bands being used for the championship, we'll see an effect on the general meta. The Hellwasp, for instance, makes things considerably more enjoyable for its factions. The Elf Arcane Archer can change things somewhat (four of them can drop the Eternal Blade in one round if there are no bodyguards).
And, I expect a few serious changes to the meta when the All Stars are released. I expect both Civilized and Underdark will get much better.
Presently, though, even the presence of the Efreeti Flamestrider alters the game in substantial ways.
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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
| | 07/06/2008 9:59 PM |
| | The E-Blade is likely no longer the be-all/end-all piece but still very good. Heck, in that point range and on the Championship/starter maps, the Lyrandar Skyfire Captain has more utility in some builds. | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3938 Posts
USA
| | 07/07/2008 3:07 AM |
| I'll second the sentiments.Â
The meta is significantly different, especially for the Championships because:
1) The fixed maps
2) Against the Giants pieces
3) The All Stars
EB andor Wulfgar are still solid, but no longer the King and Queen.Â
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XAos
Underboss
2413 Posts
London
| | 07/07/2008 5:39 AM |
| There are several pieces in Giants which affect the metagame.
e.g. a Galeb Duhr can take the entire charge of a mounted Wulfgar/EB warband with minimal actual damage.
And while it takes all 4 hits (unlikly in a single round) from arcane archers to drop an EB, it's a lot easier to kill the horse Wulfgar is mounted on. | | | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
| | 07/07/2008 5:45 AM |
| I am liking this though...
Wulfgar
Skullcleave Warrior x2
Raistlin
Warhorse x2
Farmer x3
The Flooded Ruins map can be a problem, but, every map has issues. On the other maps, I like the versatility of who can get on a Warhorse to deliver some pain. I really like how Wulfgar benefits the Skullcleave Warriors.
It will be fun to test.
Dave | |
Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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Barry
Skirmisher
41 Posts
| | 07/07/2008 5:08 PM |
| Some people are hard to change. They like going with what is comfortable to them. Personally I have not seen a competitive Eblade band in a while. The meta is changing alot, at least for the championships. Some people wont step out of their normal without seeing something that beats it.
Barry
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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
| | 07/07/2008 5:48 PM |
| Posted By Vrecknidj on 07/07/2008 5:45 AM
I am liking this though...
Wulfgar
Skullcleave Warrior x2
Raistlin
Warhorse x2
Farmer x3
The Flooded Ruins map can be a problem, but, every map has issues. On the other maps, I like the versatility of who can get on a Warhorse to deliver some pain. I really like how Wulfgar benefits the Skullcleave Warriors.
It will be fun to test.
Dave
I prefer:
Lyrandar Skyfire Captain  55
Skullcleave Warrior  39  94
Skullcleave Warrior  39  133
Warhorse  16  149
Warhorse  16  165
Bodyguard  8  173
Bodyguard  8  181
Kobold Archer  6  187
Kobold Archer  6  193
Kobold Archer  6  199
...maybe on the Championship maps. Flooded ruin is a pain.
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Champion of Prit(Wemic vindication is here)
Minneapolis/St. Paul area
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Sirohk
Commander
3938 Posts
USA
| | 07/08/2008 3:15 AM |
| x4 Elf Arcane Archers
x4 Ravenous Dire Rat
--- or ---
x4 Skullcleave Warriors
plus 44 pts of filler
These are two viable warabnds that would be a real pain to face. Maybe not very balanced, but on certain maps a real pain.Â
Now mix in or match a Champion, Warhorses, Bodyguards, replace one or two pieces with others from the Faction, even more a pain in the backside.Â
The meta has definately changed.Â
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
| | 07/08/2008 7:16 AM |
| Posted By Barry on 07/07/2008 5:08 PM
Personally I have not seen a competitive Eblade band in a while. The meta is changing alot, at least for the championships.
Barry
I haven't been on Vassal much lately. Lots of Civilization bands I assume?
Dave
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iluvxtina
Underboss
1501 Posts
Spain
| | 07/08/2008 11:41 AM |
| | I only can sincerelly hope that AtG will really change the current metagame because the situations during tournaments can be really ridiculous (to face three mirror matchs is stupid).I have not counted them,but I,m pretty sure more than 50% of the challengers ran EB warbands in their different forms (triple,mounted wulfgar,dual Doldorns,etc,etc...).And the other 50% were dual MFL.Tons of mirrors make the game boring and predictable.Why unhallowed have not change anything? | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
| | 07/08/2008 4:18 PM |
| Unhallowed hasn't changed anything because it hasn't been legal for sanctioned events until a couple days ago. Give it time, the pieces will infect the game.
Dave | |
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Kevizoid
Sergeant
373 Posts
Southern California
| | 07/08/2008 4:34 PM |
| Posted By iluvxtina on 07/08/2008 11:41 AM
I only can sincerelly hope that AtG will really change the current metagame because the situations during tournaments can be really ridiculous (to face three mirror matchs is stupid).I have not counted them,but I,m pretty sure more than 50% of the challengers ran EB warbands in their different forms (triple,mounted wulfgar,dual Doldorns,etc,etc...).And the other 50% were dual MFL.Tons of mirrors make the game boring and predictable.Why unhallowed have not change anything?
Cuz UH is the most underpowered set they've like ever made. AtG is one of the strongest. All Stars are also supposed to be pretty good... | |
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iluvxtina
Underboss
1501 Posts
Spain
| | 07/09/2008 7:08 AM |
| | Dave said UH will infest the whole metagame and Kevizoid said it is the most underpowered set ever.Who has the reason? | |
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Oibade
Skirmisher
4 Posts
| | 07/09/2008 9:04 AM |
| | "Virtus in medio stat", that is reason probably is half way. I believe there are some pieces that will see some play, such as Caller in Darkness, Wizard of Turmish, Virtous Charger, Thrall of Blackrazor, Lyrandar Skyfire Captain, Large Brass Dragon... However, many other pieces will not see much play, as they are significantly underpowered. | | | |
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Nephelim
Skirmisher
2 Posts
| | 07/09/2008 6:17 PM |
| Last week, I experimented with a Unhallowed piece that doesn't get talked about much and found the Stormrage Shambler to be quite durable. I used him in a four player free-for-all match. I ran the following:
1 Kuo-Toa Whip C1/5 Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
2 Kuo-Toa Whip            Â
3 Kuo-Toa Whip
4 Kuo-Toa Whip
5 Kuo-Toa Whip
6 Stormrage Shambler      Â
Underdark
197 points/ 6 activations.
With the release of AtG, this warband would now have seven activations. The Whips' Lightning Bolts have good synergy with the Shambler's Lightning Healing ability. The Shambler is also difficult to hit with a 27 AC and 25 Defense.
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
| | 07/09/2008 7:15 PM |
| Posted By iluvxtina on 07/09/2008 7:08 AM
Dave said UH will infest the whole metagame and Kevizoid said it is the most underpowered set ever.Who has the reason? I'll have to check to see what I wrote. But I think Underdark will be good, not Unhallowed.
And, if Kevin says Unhallowed is underpowered, then it probably is. He plays a LOT more games than I do.
Or, it could all be part of his devious misinformation campaign.
Dave
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7908 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 07/10/2008 10:34 AM |
| Well, Kev is right, it is underpowered.
however, it will still infect the game, on some level, as dave says. It will seep in at the edges, instead of overpowering everything.
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iluvxtina
Underboss
1501 Posts
Spain
| | 07/10/2008 1:53 PM |
| | In my opinion is,of course,underpowered a lot.Typical tier 1 minis like ultroloth,virtuous charger,large black and CWW are now mere rubbish comparing them with the current tier 1 pieces.Very sad | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
| | 07/10/2008 5:52 PM |
| Lady Vol is one of the pieces that the Efreeti Flamestrider cannot reliably hit. She can fly, so she's good on all the maps. She has a cone that can really hurt.
There are some pieces that, combined with her, might just have a shot.
Dave | |
Knowledge Arcana editor issues 5-9, Phoenix Lore Magazine editor, assistant editor for Rite Publishing;
My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
2045 Posts
Portland OR
| | 07/10/2008 8:48 PM |
| | I'm not feeling the efreet yet. He fell like a ton of molten bricks in my prerelease when facing the fire Titan, galeb duhr, and an arcane archer. He was dead in 2 rounds. | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3938 Posts
USA
| | 07/11/2008 3:51 AM |
| Posted By Lord_rock on 07/10/2008 8:48 PM
I'm not feeling the efreet yet. He fell like a ton of molten bricks in my prerelease when facing the fire Titan, galeb duhr, and an arcane archer. He was dead in 2 rounds.
The Efreetti Flamestrider works better with Merchant Guards. It tends to help in avoiding those nasty hits and effects. But no BG in Epic Pre-Release.Â
I'm not sold on the Galeb Duhr. But I get the erie feeling that these little stones might show up somewhere.Â
And the Arcane Archer is a very good piece.Â
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