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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
    
United States
 | | 08/02/2008 7:22 AM |
| Okay, so, we've seen the stats. Now, what to do with her?
I was originally thinking that three of this piece would be crazy delicious, but, of course, there are too many things that can slow, stun, confuse or immobilize them from a distance.
So, that meant Merchant Guard. And, that means either Borderlands, or drop to two of them and go Wild.
What are your thoughts?
Dave
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iluvxtina
Underboss
1501 Posts
Spain
| | 08/02/2008 9:26 AM |
| | I find frenzied berserk being one of the best all-star pieces (I do not find her attcak bonus low like some people said).Three can deal tons of damage at a very high speed so,that will be my first choice (sad,I only have two of these girls).And remember,a lot of tournaments have been taken by multi berserks warbands with easy.She has tons of HP so I do not think merchants are a must.Dual MFL can be very dangerous unil you reach them,then it will be piece of cake (choose a map with lots of cover is not hard).And you can play her with eilistraee and silverhand (not so good I think) or go with the super-invincible EB for huge amounts of damage. | |
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md3
Sergeant
702 Posts
| | 08/02/2008 10:07 AM |
| I want to run her, but I have dropped to the Skullcleavers instead. I believe that with the right mix (Wild Elf Warsinger anyone) the FBs will be very competitive. | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
United States
| | 08/02/2008 10:32 PM |
| I ran this tonight:
Storm
FB x2
Guard x2
Hellwasp
Wild Elf
Elf Archer
I played the typical dual Efreeti band, once on Jungle Temple, once on Dwarven Outpost. Both games I lost. Both games, however, went to time, and came down to the last die roll.
In both games, Storm died early. The plan was to use Healing Wings to cover the 10 damage from the first round, and to give flight to cross Flooded Ruins (which I didn't get to play on).
In both games, Storm didn't really pay off. (Though the +2/+5 helped a couple times.)
I want to test some other bands, now that I've seen Storm isn't necessary. Eternal Blade might be nice, especially as I'm more likely to beat Efreeti on initiative.
We'll see...
I can say this though. I really like them. The burnout is almost insignificant. They get right on things and start whacking. I'm convinced Merchant Guards are necessary, so, if I don't go Wild with them (the Wild Elf was da bomb), I am not shackled to Storm.
I was thinking two Snaketongues, for the +10 poison. Dunno though.
Dave | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3929 Posts
USA
| | 08/03/2008 4:38 AM |
| FB are a scary proposition. 3 of them is a 360 hit points to chew through. And then they can do a ton of damage.Â
But a first round TBA bomb on them and they are going nowhere fast. So Merc Guards necessary and therefore I would run them in Borderlands.Â
I might be tempted to run:
x2 Frenzied Berserkers 104
Wulfgar 54
x3 Merc Guard 24
x3 Goblin Runners 12
x2 Farmers 6
A full 10 acts and 200 pts
Wulfgar gets them an extra ATT when Bloodied.Â
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
United States
| | 08/03/2008 6:04 AM |
| I won't be placing my three Frenzied Berserkers on their start areas such that more than one of them gets hit with a nuke.
I like what you came up with, and I've come up with a handful of similar bands. But, I noticed something in my testing (which I have yet to fix). The FBs really need ranged support. Farmers can hit them often enough so that the FB is a juicy target for them. Being able to pick off little guys turns out to be important for FB bands, I think.
In general, that means less expensive champions or fewer Merchant Guards. Presently, I'm scared to death to not run any Merchant Guards with them. So, I'm thinking a cheaper champion will be my plan.
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My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
2019 Posts
Portland OR
| | 08/03/2008 12:38 PM |
| I'd be very tempted to go:
Wild
Frenzied x2
Snake tongue x2
WeW
Death Jump
Elf Archer x2
Rat
Should have no trouble outdmging an opponent and the 3 fodder you have are fodder slayers so no swarming. Beware the tomebound!
For BL I can't come up with anything that has ranged support, dmg boost, and BG... I can get 2 outa three but that don't cut the mustard.
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10445 Posts
United States
| | 08/03/2008 6:58 PM |
| The more I think about these pieces, the more I realize that, for the cost, the Skullcleave is still better. Speed 8 is the only redeeming feature (compared to the crap AC and DEF).
They've been fun to test, but, I can't see them holding out for 8 rounds of play.
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My Trade Thread and My Reference Thread; Winner of WBC IV, IX and XIII; Rule #0: bshugg is always right! | |
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kingslurr
Skirmisher
18 Posts
| | 08/11/2008 7:02 PM |
| Posted By Sirohk on 08/03/2008 4:38 AM FB are a scary proposition. 3 of them is a 360 hit points to chew through. And then they can do a ton of damage.Â
But a first round TBA bomb on them and they are going nowhere fast. So Merc Guards necessary and therefore I would run them in Borderlands.Â
I might be tempted to run:
x2 Frenzied Berserkers 104
Wulfgar 54
x3 Merc Guard 24
x3 Goblin Runners 12
x2 Farmers 6
A full 10 acts and 200 pts
Wulfgar gets them an extra ATT when Bloodied.Â
 I kike this warband. Wulfgar gives the FB extra attack when first blooded :D and that when her strenght increases The MG are there to take in the Stunning Immob and such attacks. Pretty kew; wish a had one more FB :D
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7670 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 08/12/2008 10:59 AM |
| Posted By Sirohk on 08/03/2008 4:38 AM FB are a scary proposition. 3 of them is a 360 hit points to chew through. And then they can do a ton of damage.Â
But a first round TBA bomb on them and they are going nowhere fast. So Merc Guards necessary and therefore I would run them in Borderlands.Â
I might be tempted to run:
x2 Frenzied Berserkers 104
Wulfgar 54
x3 Merc Guard 24
x3 Goblin Runners 12
x2 Farmers 6
A full 10 acts and 200 pts
Wulfgar gets them an extra ATT when Bloodied.Â
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lewddruid
Sneak
65 Posts
| | 08/12/2008 5:48 PM |
| | I too have been wanting to build a band with this piece. Wulfgar and the FB are a nice pair the more FB's the better. Hmmm I have an idea, i'll be back... | |
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lewddruid
Sneak
65 Posts
| | 08/12/2008 5:59 PM |
| thinkin I might try this...
Werewolf Lord
Snaketongue Cultist
FB
Thrall
WeW
Kobold Archer x4
Not sure what map though. | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
2019 Posts
Portland OR
| | 08/12/2008 7:41 PM |
| | Good mixed arms there lewddruid... I don't know about the synergy of the WWL though over another FB or something else... | |
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Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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lewddruid
Sneak
65 Posts
| | 08/13/2008 9:30 AM |
| | I would use the FB in multiples but I only have one :-(Â The WWL and FB do have a little synergy as the FB has Bloodthirsty: +10 dam vs bloodied targets, the WWL champ power can futher increase this by +5. | |
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IANKAVIK
Warrior
211 Posts
COLOMBIA
| | 08/13/2008 10:57 AM |
| I loved Frenzied Berzerker for a long time... but, we have to be honest, we can´t play Frenzied Berzerker actually. First, she had low attack (+15), and comparing her with another succesful pieces, the most one are cheaper (i.e., skullcleave, Werewolf Champion, Shadowbane). The another pieces with (relatively) same cost are Wulfgar (so much better), Mighty Blademaster (the new Frenzied Berzerker) and even Tifling Gladiator.  | | | |
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lewddruid
Sneak
65 Posts
| | 08/13/2008 10:02 PM |
| Here's a Borderlands version I may try. Â Wulfgar(54),
Eternal Blade(54),
Frenzied Berserker(52),
Merchant Guard(8),
Merchant Guard(8),
Kobold Archer(6),
Kobold Archer(6),
Kobold Archer(6),
Kobold Archer(6),
Probably on Evermelt. | |
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Ryoga
Underboss
1124 Posts
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 08/14/2008 11:00 AM |
| Sirohk
you ideas was every day amaizing!! :S thxt wulfgar-frenzied sounds really scary
Mad mind = Wonderfull warabnds XD
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Dealing with new life... new country and life without DDM :(
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MAURIZIO
Sergeant
951 Posts
Lima, Perú
| | 08/14/2008 10:38 PM |
| Posted By Sirohk on 08/03/2008 4:38 AM FB are a scary proposition. 3 of them is a 360 hit points to chew through. And then they can do a ton of damage.Â
But a first round TBA bomb on them and they are going nowhere fast. So Merc Guards necessary and therefore I would run them in Borderlands.Â
I might be tempted to run:
x2 Frenzied Berserkers 104
Wulfgar 54
x3 Merc Guard 24
x3 Goblin Runners 12
x2 Farmers 6
A full 10 acts and 200 pts
Wulfgar gets them an extra ATT when Bloodied.Â
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Or maybe change 2 farmers and a Merchant Guard for a Militia Archer (champ 2) and boost attack when you really need it, look the High AC of some of the main hitters around.
But I like that crazy idea of yours!
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Sirohk
Commander
3929 Posts
USA
| | 08/25/2008 3:35 AM |
| Posted By Ryoga on 08/14/2008 11:00 AM
Sirohk
you ideas was every day amaizing!! :S thxt wulfgar-frenzied sounds really scary
Mad mind = Wonderfull warabnds XD
;)
Thx Ryoga.Â
I was surprised not to see any FB at GenCon Championships. I thought soemone might just be crazy enough to play Frenzied Berserkers.Â
Now that GenCon's over with, I plan to try this figure out along with a number of the other All Stars.Â
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