True_Blue
Underboss
2386 Posts
    
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| | I'd have to say the Barbed Devil was a huge dissapointment when it came to Skirmish. Everyone was so happy with the figure and wanted to use it, and then you see its stats and it just makes you want to wince. His damage output is just laughable for his cost, so sad. | |
Champion of a Knight of Takhisis/Knight of Neraka | |
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nycfarmkid
Underboss
1210 Posts
Wadsworth, OH
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Orion72
Underboss
1917 Posts
| | 05/17/2006 9:18 PM |
| I love Dragons!
I love Elves!
I love Vampires!
Not a one of any of them are worth a damn!
Ok, not true, but still...
I could go on and on about Dragons, so we'll skip them.
For Elves, it's easily the Divine Champion of Corellon. She would be AWESOME anti-Marut tech if only she did more damage. Pair her with the Cleric of Corellon and she's nigh-Fearless and can have a +2 attack buff for +22/+17. Throw in the Elf Pyro for sonic immunity, and she's ready to rock... except she costs so much that those 3 figures are 3/4ths of your warband. Bah!
For Vampires, gotta be the Vamp Aristocrat. That 13 Speed would be devastating, if only he could do something useful when he gets where he's going. They better fix the overcosting problems before they make my beloved Strahd! | | | |
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Lord_rock
Underboss
2045 Posts
Portland OR
| | 05/17/2006 9:28 PM |
| my top three in no particular order...
Half giant psi war...so close...+10 hp and +2 to att and he would probably be staple...
Thaskor...as previously stated any one of those extra things and he would see play...any two and he would be LE's Marut...
hunched giant/stone giant...the numbers only add up to you wasting points...but why??? | |
Rock Bottom Pricing:
Arcane Archer 30, Centaur Hero 67, Human Cleric of Bane 25, Gold Champion 34, Death Knight 52, Goblin Blackblade 9, Silentwolf Goblin 7, Orc Raider 10, Dwarf axefighter 9, Healer 9, Thaskor 65, Aspect of Demogorgon 71, Ogre 9, Fire Giant 79, Human Wanderer 7, Drunken Master 18, Barghest 12, Longstider Barbarian 27, Longtooth Barbarian 22, Frost Giant 76, Ravenous Vampire 42, Large Earth Elemental: priceless | |
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MAURIZIO
Sergeant
960 Posts
Lima, Perú
| | 05/17/2006 9:34 PM |
| | Frenzied berserker 3 points less, and noy burn out, and she really rocks!!!!!!!!! | |
Againts the Giants Called Shot: Cattie Bri.
Dungeon of Dread Called Shot: Cockatrice.
Todas las batallas en la vida sirven para enseñarnos algo, inclusive aquellas que perdemos. Paulo Coehlo
"DnD teaches you a valuable lesson, always loot the bodies of your dead enemies"
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 05/17/2006 10:51 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Sammael
Red Wizard. I would love, love, LOVE to be able to build a Tier-1 warband around him, but he is just too damn squishy. LE needs a good bodyguard mini with tons of hit points for him to work.
Me too. QFT and all that. | |
"Mutton yesterday, mutton today, and blimey, if it don't look like mutton again tomorrer." Bert the Troll - The Hobbit
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Champion of Epic Lolth, Orcus, & Demogorgon and bring us Asmodeus! | |
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Daezarkian
Sneak
110 Posts
| | 05/18/2006 1:11 AM |
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Grey Render I just love this guy but to be really competative he would have to loose the commander efx restriction at least magic damage wouldn't hurt either.
The Crazed Attacker drawback is, IMHO, the worst thing about the Gray Render. That lost me quite a few matches against Githzerai Monks fighting behind cover when the Render could have been whacking meatier targets... | |
Daezarkian
Demonic Accountant | |
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Feathers
Underboss
1140 Posts
| | 05/18/2006 1:53 AM |
| HGPW (Half-Giant Psychic Warrior) absolutely. At +10 hp and either +2 to level or +2 to atk and he would have been tier 1 for at least a year until War Drums came out.
Centaur Hero would be playable and possibly tier 1 with +1 level, +5 dmg, or -10 cost (definitely with the latter).
Barbed Devil I really wish they got right. Give him 2 atks and a rend and he'd be worth the cost. | |
Champion of Neogi
Completed Trades/Transactions: sttmxn, Krush, jgsugden, Ayrychx2, Venport, Tysac
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Fortress13
Skirmisher
8 Posts
| | 05/18/2006 2:18 AM |
| | If only the Drider Sorcerer were a bit cheaper... | |
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Knight of the
Round Table
Thenameless
Warlord
12507 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 05/18/2006 2:24 AM |
| | Besides the Arcane Archer, I wish the original Troll and Hill Giant were also blessed with better skirmish stats. The Troll is not an easy fix because regen could be broken in 100 pt games, but I think the stats are close enough, and that its cost should be lower. The original Hill Giant is easy to fix - give it two attacks at about +10/+5 like the Ogre Ravager. With its pushback and higher HP, level, AC, and damage, it would then be worth playing. | |
Over 270 successful online DDM trades. | |
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Damien the Bloodfeaster
Sergeant
885 Posts
Portland, OR
| | 05/18/2006 3:15 AM |
| My top 3:
3. Roper: I wish there were some way to make this guy tougher and more playable. Maybe if the point cost was about 1/3 to 1/2 less.
2. Grim Necromancer: What's the point of making a Necromancer commander and not giving him warband building to allow CE or all undead into his warband? He could also use a few more hit points. The epic Aspect of Nerull does this, but it's just too damned expensive, and useful undead to bring in at 200 are simply too wimpy in Epic to be worth considering.
1. Red Wizard: As several others have stated, he would be the great center of a warband, if only he had a few more (i.e., double) hit points, or a solid bodyguard. | | | |
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Low Key
Underboss
1231 Posts
| | 05/18/2006 3:57 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Damien the Bloodfeaster
2. Grim Necromancer: What's the point of making a Necromancer commander and not giving him warband building to allow CE or all undead into his warband? He could also use a few more hit points. The epic Aspect of Nerull does this, but it's just too damned expensive, and useful undead to bring in at 200 are simply too wimpy in Epic to be worth considering.
Agreed, one of my first LE commanders. I wish there was some way to make him work... | |
Champion of the Sarrukh | |
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arhurt
Sneak
173 Posts
| | 05/18/2006 9:56 PM |
| Ghaele Eladrin
That spd F12, instant morale save on enemy critters, init +8, useful CMFX, great attacks bonus/dmg, tons of immunities special abilities and awesome spells that makes my head spin.
But it has 65hp bummer! | |
Arhurt
 - Brazilian Forum - www.d20minis.com | |
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jos1-1
Sergeant
829 Posts
| | 05/18/2006 10:28 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by MAURIZIO
Frenzied berserker 3 points less, and noy burn out, and she really rocks!!!!!!!!!
lol i think FB is good enough now as it is :)
Dragon Samurai be cool if he had speed 6 and lvl 10 or so | |
Poor student looking for minis =D | |
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 05/19/2006 4:59 AM |
| | Probably a tie between the skullclan hunter and warforged hero. So almost there. | |
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Sean-Khan
Commander
2731 Posts
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Zyla
Underboss
1201 Posts
| | 05/19/2006 5:21 AM |
| | The Grey Render would be alot more viable if the GFD could bring it in, the not effected by commander effects part hurts it the most. | |
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Narcissus
Warrior
197 Posts
| | 05/19/2006 8:45 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by The_Duke
DRIZZT!!
Ditto! | |
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CorneilleLoiseau
Sergeant
402 Posts
Qc, Canada
| | 05/19/2006 9:03 AM |
| two guy:
Mind flayer (harb.) Really good but not much HP...
Champion of Eilistraee (reasonnably okay by her stat, but warband building and commander effect are so good for her cost. Overmore, she's so beautiful!!!) | |
CHAMPION OF THE ELDER BRAIN.
26 Completed transaction
17 trade completed Maxminis (13): Vrecknidj (2), AussieJim, Razarac, Ghendar, NixLord, Sir Bozak, kestrel, Sam500, yack, minatoman38, Brez and Aesnath.
Hordeling (4);rex,Brentos,greyhaze and greg cooper
Completed sale: (10)Whitehand,TwilightRaven,Melrune,Villiam, azuretide, Carta Magica, Vash/Trent, Korvax (hordeling), Kestrel and Olaf the stout. | |
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Wayne
Underboss
1371 Posts
| | 05/19/2006 9:19 AM |
| Girallon. It might be as simple as +5 HP, honestly. (It might be a little more than that, but who knows, because he dies or routs so fast!)
Loyal Earth Elemental gets an honorable mention. Take away that -4 versus flyers, and he's golden.
Oh, and the Mounted Drow Patrol is possibly the most underrated mini of all time. He's Tier One. | |
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Longbow
Warrior
236 Posts
| | 05/19/2006 11:29 AM |
| | All minis with Speed 4. [:D] | |
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ickthegreat
Warrior
291 Posts
| | 05/19/2006 2:08 PM |
| | HEBI... well ok most of the range pieces need fixing. this is just the top of the iceberg. Maybe if it the ability for its levels of Bow Intines, it might be better, but the then the points would be much higher. So that is not really the answer. So maybe we a map that wouold help with archers. | |
trades pending: (0)
everything is perfectly going out of control
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orcmonk220
Underboss
1608 Posts
| | 05/19/2006 2:12 PM |
| | Skullcrusher Ogre: The Duergar Champion killed him off too soon. Also, he needed a higher Attack Bonus | |
My Trading Thread | |
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Teach
Sneak
140 Posts
| | 05/19/2006 2:14 PM |
| iron golem and his speed 4. If he was speed 6, he could be played in tier 1 bands.
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Sjofn
Sneak
141 Posts
| | 05/19/2006 5:15 PM |
| | The unicorn. [V] | |
God Save the Horn Players | |
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lynchdl
Skirmisher
22 Posts
| | 05/19/2006 6:26 PM |
| The Displacer Beast. His level, AC, hit points, attack bonuses, and damage are all too low. If just a couple were upgraded he might be playable...
...and I have one[:p].
Declan
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Soul Patrol | |
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Kevizoid
Sergeant
373 Posts
Southern California
| | 05/19/2006 9:26 PM |
| | I have 2 HAH! | |
SoCal Colluder | |
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jos1-1
Sergeant
829 Posts
| | 05/19/2006 9:39 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by ickthegreat
HEBI... well ok most of the range pieces need fixing. this is just the top of the iceberg. Maybe if it the ability for its levels of Bow Intines, it might be better, but the then the points would be much higher. So that is not really the answer. So maybe we a map that wouold help with archers.
i think the HEBI is fine, what he needs is other minis that will work well with him that wont be replaced by cheaper rangers. | |
Poor student looking for minis =D | |
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JohnnyFive
Warrior
207 Posts
| | 05/22/2006 12:04 AM |
| | Hmmm ... probably the Longstrider Ranger. C'mon, is a 30-39 point mini that gets two attacks for 15 magic damage each in CG too much to ask? | |
Champion of the Elf Duskblade | |
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jos1-1
Sergeant
829 Posts
| | 05/22/2006 1:49 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by JohnnyFive
Hmmm ... probably the Longstrider Ranger. C'mon, is a 30-39 point mini that gets two attacks for 15 magic damage each in CG too much to ask?
34 points and 10 magic damage not 15. also what do you wished worked better about him? (i think you got it mixed up with most under rated mini)
i say either his ac or lvl needs to be higher. or if he had fearless. | |
Poor student looking for minis =D | |
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Knight of the
Round Table
Thenameless
Warlord
12507 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 05/22/2006 1:55 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by orcmonk220
Skullcrusher Ogre: The Duergar Champion killed him off too soon. Also, he needed a higher Attack Bonus
Thinking along the same lines; when I look at the Gold Dwarf Fighter, its stats make me cry when compared to the Duergar Champion. The latter is just so much better for almost the same cost. LG needs something in this cost range with similar efficiency, albeit with a different flavour. | |
Over 270 successful online DDM trades. | |
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Low Key
Underboss
1231 Posts
| | 05/22/2006 2:43 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by jos1-1
quote:
Originally posted by JohnnyFive
Hmmm ... probably the Longstrider Ranger. C'mon, is a 30-39 point mini that gets two attacks for 15 magic damage each in CG too much to ask?
34 points and 10 magic damage not 15. also what do you wished worked better about him? (i think you got it mixed up with most under rated mini)
i say either his ac or lvl needs to be higher. or if he had fearless.
It needs that extra +5 damage. Otherwise its a damn nice piece. | |
Champion of the Sarrukh | |
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Weaponbreaker
Skirmisher
47 Posts
| | 05/22/2006 5:08 AM |
| | I wish the Wemic had either reach or ride by attack. Plus any draog there are suposed to be the bane of their enemies instead they just bleed a lot then die. | |
Hunter of CE d20's. Destroyer of false hope and punisher evil dice across the planes. | |
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Man of Renown
Wraithborne
Warlord
5303 Posts
The Red Light District
| | 05/22/2006 8:19 AM |
| | For me, it's the Grell. One of my favorite monsters to use in RPG and with blindsight, immune electricity and paralysis, flight, paralyze on all 4 attacks and reach, he could be a great secret weapon.....if he could hit anything at all with his attacks at +4. | |
Eye dun no why youse guys think im not relly a person im jimgang from canada but im moving to cali as soon as i get a master card
-Jimgang
So, you stand at your grave, Has your soul yet been taken away?
So you can't read what's engraved, Is this Heaven or merely Decay?
Was there a light, enchantingly bright, A Question, just how did it end?
Just let me sift through your calm remains, And tear you away from your skin.
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thousandmagister
Skirmisher
8 Posts
| | 05/22/2006 11:29 AM |
| Drizzt.
I really wish they put Dual Activation on Drizzt, that alone would make him worth his point cost. Or at least made Guenhwyvar a minion, letting him splash Guen in the band for free. (Hmmm... there's a thought.) Even Conceal 11 might have done the trick. (Globe of darkness) And lastly the new S.A. hunter should fit very well with Drizzt for obvious reasons.
At least any one of these would make him better.
Here's hoping his epic stats have all of the above mentioned special abilities. | |
"I never threaten, I merely promise." -Elminster of Shadowdale | |
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DinoBen
Sergeant
412 Posts
Based outta Games of Berkeley, CA
| | 05/22/2006 12:36 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by ickthegreat
HEBI... well ok most of the range pieces need fixing. this is just the top of the iceberg. Maybe if it the ability for its levels of Bow Intines, it might be better, but the then the points would be much higher. So that is not really the answer. So maybe we a map that wouold help with archers.
Try King's Road. From what I understand, the HEBIs have cover in a forested square and could thereforee fire on enemy units even if they were adjacent. If I'm wrong, someone please correct me! [:D] | |
Champion of all things Athasian
"Don't sing it - Bring it!" | |
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djtool
Sergeant
584 Posts
Crystal MN, USA
| | 05/22/2006 1:08 PM |
| its too bad that the wizards haven't been smart enough to cast mage armor, ghostly visage, mirror image, so on and so forth *before* going into battle. I hope future mages figure that one out.
I wish the iron cobra's atk bonus was a little higher.
I wish trog captains lvl wasn't so stinky. a +11 MC on a 50ish pt. cost commander? ewwww.
knowing that he's going to suffer from cover penalties alot chain devil could have done with a higher AB
summoners in general. How about a rule that if you kill the summoned mobs you get the points but if you kill the summoner they go away w/out giving points?
spectre definatly needs a 21+ ac or more hp's. Too bad, I really like him too.
Flesh golem....well there isn't much more to say after that is there.
hobgoblin archer - explain to me why he doesn't deserve to do 10 dmg.
MEOW!
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Champion of: Brain in a Jar | |
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djtool
Sergeant
584 Posts
Crystal MN, USA
| | 05/22/2006 1:45 PM |
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Champion of: Brain in a Jar | |
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I Tyrant
Warrior
178 Posts
| | 05/23/2006 5:30 AM |
| Red Wiz, Barbed D., Erinyes, Bone Devil &
the one that hurt me the most:
LARGE BLUE DRAGON, awesome sculpt, crappy, crappy stats | |
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The Great
Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
13089 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 05/23/2006 8:27 AM |
| I REALLY wanted Ryld to work better with the wardrummer and various CE beaters. Alas............[:(]
I wish the Ogre Mage had more HP.
I wish the Centaur Hero cost less.
Almost all dragons should be able to hit a little harder.
I wish the Ettin's to hit bonuses were higher.
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WotC - making me wish more and more every day for a return to the TSR days. :(
I fought the snark and the snark won. I'm baaaaaaaaaaack!
Some of my favorite Maxminis quotes
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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