Posted By sienar on 04/30/2008 6:04 PM


You may want to make sure your information is fully accurate before making statements like this one. Please go look at the top 2 standings so far and come back here and tell me how many invites have been "stolen" so far. Come back after the season and give me that number again. Perhaps this issue is not as big a deal as people think it is. People are already dropping, and not just in collusion.

Posted By greyhaze on 04/30/2008 8:38 PM
I say we all just show up and roll a d20, highest rolls have a dice off until all but one are ELIMINATED, that person then gets to design a mini. :)

Posted By Vrecknidj on 05/01/2008 11:34 AM
I have proposed this locally, except that it's Swiss pairings.  It's a nice, new, easy-to-play game (no harder than Deal or No Deal).

You get paired with an opponent, you both roll d20, higher roll wins.  Reroll on a tie.  Next match, you get paired against someone with the same record, repeat.

Within an hour, we could finish a 150+ person event, declare a winner, hand out prizes, and go do other cool stuff at the convention.

Dave

Posted By Kevizoid on 05/01/2008 9:30 AM
Brig, I was under the impression that rating slots don't get passed down anymore. Or at least they don't get passed down more than once? Am I wrong on this?

Posted By Kevizoid on 05/01/2008 3:32 PM
I like going to other areas to play. I get to play people I never played before. If it wasn't for qualifiers, I'd only be able to play new people in the championships (not that going to UT did that for me, playing 5/6 rounds against the people I came with). Not to mention that qualifiers feel like the only non XP/Gencon tournaments where it feels bigger then local weekend play.

I'd really love it if players would come to SoCal and invade us for a change. Unfortunately we aren't in a centralized location suited for having that happen, and in previous years, our nearest qualifier was 7 hours away, that makes stuff like AZ, our home qualifier. Even UT was only another 3-4 hours difference, and you have just hit our 3rd closest qualifier.(at least in previous years)

I really wish they'd go back to the old qualifier system with top 4. Or just add top 4 to what we have now. The 4 allows there to be a sense of "locals" getting in even if invaders take some as well. I'd also have no problem if they made the damn championships open and get rid of all this crap. Then just play for travel/product/passes.

BTW, Professional Sports, doesn't use a D20. That kind of impacts the argument I think.

Posted By Barry on 05/01/2008 3:07 PM
     Someone said that this would be bad since one bad day could ruin your chances.  Well to compare to other "professional" games, there's no second chances in the NFL playoffs.  How many games are won by or lost by the last minute field goal.   Im sure the Patriots would love another shot the Giants.Â

Posted By Kevizoid on 05/01/2008 5:52 PM
But what if say 5 people in on region are better than everyone in another reason. Should the worse players be more "entitled" to a spot because of their geographic location? Is that fair?

But what if say 5 people in one region are better than everyone in another region. Should the worse players be more "entitled" to a spot because of their geographic location? Is that fair?

Well, there were millions upon millions of dollars on the line, so, the comparison has some weaknesses.

Posted By Barry on 05/01/2008 3:07 PM


     Someone said that this would be bad since one bad day could ruin your chances.  Well to compare to other "professional" games, there's no second chances in the NFL playoffs.  How many games are won by or lost by the last minute field goal.   Im sure the Patriots would love another shot the Giants.Â


Barry

Posted By Barry on 05/01/2008 10:26 PM


I wont say its fair, but I will say its the purpose of regional type qualifiers. One person is going to better than everyone else out there. That is the point of it all. If your a football fan, should the AFC send more to the playoffs than the NFC if the AFC has teams with better records? Your taking the best of each zone and putting them into a championship. Yes some are better than others. It will always be the case. Qualifier hopping to get a ticket only breaks down the system and causes hardship.

Maybe Bob in BFE isnt that good of a player, but if he won his local qualifier and went to Gencon, wouldnt he have a story to tell when he got back? Wouldnt that make some kind of excitment in the local scene with Bob's playing group? Bob will be telling stories for days about how close he got, whether he went 0-7 or not. Instead Bob will never know since some Top 10 guy drove 6+ hours out to get a plane ticket when he could have saved the gas money and bought one himself. (note this isnt directed at you Kev, even though you sorta fit the example)



Really? we get $2000 for moving little plastic figures around a board and rolling dice. Is it really a stretch? If DDM had the fanbase of the NFL im sure the prize would be higher :)


Barry

Posted By JAdams44978 on 05/02/2008 3:46 AM
I wish people would stop whining about calluding and team play.  Get over it!  Let them come to our qualifier, all of them!  It will make our victory over them much more sweeter.  Qualifier and championships have nothing to do with fostering the "game community" because when money and fame are on the line then anything goes.  Bringing new people into the game should limit itself to unrated or just simply local events and should having nothing in common with the qualifer season when those new players should expect a different atmosphere altogther.  Suck it up people!

Posted By Barry on 05/01/2008 10:26 PM


Really? we get $2000 for moving little plastic figures around a board and rolling dice. Is it really a stretch? If DDM had the fanbase of the NFL im sure the prize would be higher :)

Posted By JAdams44978 on 05/02/2008 3:46 AM
Qualifier and championships have nothing to do with fostering the "game community" because when money and fame are on the line then anything goes.

Posted By Kevizoid on 05/02/2008 8:47 AM
Coupled with school, I'd no longer have time to play ;P.

Posted By Kevizoid on 05/02/2008 9:00 AM
I would want to lock down all the fun in my life why?

Posted By Kevizoid on 05/02/2008 9:00 AM
I would want to lock down all the fun in my life why?

Posted By Kevizoid on 05/02/2008 8:47 AM
Coupled with school, I'd no longer have time to play ;P.

Posted By Vrecknidj on 05/02/2008 9:58 AM
Welcome to adulthood.  With three jobs (okay, two-and-a-half) and editing work on the side, and a wife and two kids, I don't have time to play either.  But, I squeeze in just enough so that I can still compete.

Actually, I was thinking of just this thing yesterday.  I figured that the teens and twenty-somethings have an edge over everyone else in this game due in no small measure to the amount of time they can invest in it.

Dave

Actually, I was thinking of just this thing yesterday. I figured that the teens and twenty-somethings have an edge over everyone else in this game due in no small measure to the amount of time they can invest in it.

Posted By Teflon Jeff on 05/02/2008 10:09 AM

Bah, as 20-something (25) I have even less time. 2 FT job, 2 PT jobs, a wife and two kids under 3, and full-time student. Which is why I probably won't be trying to Qualify this year. But for the most part, yeah, they generally have more time. There's a reason most of the Pro Magic players are in their 20's or teens.

Posted By Barry on 05/02/2008 10:10 AM
 I do think that the current top 100 and top 2 qualifier system is flawed and needs work. It should be either/or, not both.


Barry