Goldmoon
Sergeant
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 | | 04/29/2005 11:26 PM |
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Goldmoon
Sergeant
986 Posts
| | 04/29/2005 11:26 PM |
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Can you get "promoted" to being a white robe, the "in charge" of the high sorcery are usually white robed....that a very powerful position.
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glauron
Underboss
1379 Posts
Sydney, Australia
| | 04/30/2005 1:49 AM |
| I thought all wizards in Dragonlance had to be aligned with a faction of the Tower, so they won't be hunting you as a renegade later on.
Raistlin started off with the red, then turned gloriously black before saving the world and presumably becoming a white.
All along he was just misunderstood. Not even Paladine or Takhisis could figure him out. Better red than dead. | |
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Iksander
Underboss
1010 Posts
| | 04/30/2005 2:27 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by glauron
Raistlin started off with the red, then turned gloriously black before saving the world and presumably becoming a white.
Huh?
He destroyed the world and killed all the gods in order to remake it, without suffering or cruelty.
It was his brother, Caramon, with the assistance of Tasselhoff, who saved the world by redeeming Raistlin at the last possible moment. Raistlin then suffered eternal torment at the hands of Takhisis. | |
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Lab Monkey
Commander
4135 Posts
| | 04/30/2005 9:52 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Iksander
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He destroyed the world and killed all the gods in order to remake it, without suffering or cruelty.
It was his brother, Caramon, with the assistance of Tasselhoff, who saved the world by redeeming Raistlin at the last possible moment. Raistlin then suffered eternal torment at the hands of Takhisis.
All true except the bolded part. Hickman and Weis have been pretty clear in the Dragons of the Summer Flame and the War of Souls that Raistlen is not being tortured for eternity by Takhisis.
And in Raist's defense, he does play a pretty important role in saving the world in both DotSF and the WoS trilogy. | |
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Lab Monkey
Commander
4135 Posts
| | 04/30/2005 9:54 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by spikegif
I have a wizard in a Dragonlance game that just became a Red Robed Wizard of High Sorcery. The High Sorcery Wizards do not look like they really get much for that great position of power. Should I keep advancing in the High Sorcery Prestige class or go back to being wizard?
I personally like High Sorcery PrC. Compared to taking more levels of Wizard, I think it's slightly superior mechanically. I'll have a look at my books later tonight and try to give you a clearer answer. | |
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Iksander
Underboss
1010 Posts
| | 05/01/2005 3:02 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Lab Monkey
All true except the bolded part. Hickman and Weis have been pretty clear in the Dragons of the Summer Flame and the War of Souls that Raistlen is not being tortured for eternity by Takhisis.
And in Raist's defense, he does play a pretty important role in saving the world in both DotSF and the WoS trilogy.
Yes, but those books don't count, 'cause they suck hairy lab monkey ass. All but the Chronicles and Legends series are an anathema. | |
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glauron
Underboss
1379 Posts
Sydney, Australia
| | 05/01/2005 3:32 AM |
| WoS is what I'm talking about - Raistlin the good guy.
All is well. Takhisis is dead.
Anybody expecting Mina to be elevated to that position? And will Paladine be reinstated? | |
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Master Peon
spikegif
Warlord
5699 Posts
| | 05/01/2005 12:29 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Lab Monkey
I personally like High Sorcery PrC. Compared to taking more levels of Wizard, I think it's slightly superior mechanically. I'll have a look at my books later tonight and try to give you a clearer answer.
Did you get a look at it? I did not see much in why it was superior, the moon phases can make a big difference, but I do not really see how that makes it superior. | |
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Lab Monkey
Commander
4135 Posts
| | 05/01/2005 12:37 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Iksander
Yes, but those books don't count, 'cause they suck hairy lab monkey ass.
Hey how did you know... Nevermind.
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Spikegif, I'll get back to you later today. | |
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Iksander
Underboss
1010 Posts
| | 05/01/2005 5:02 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by glauron
WoS is what I'm talking about - Raistlin the good guy.
Oh... My... God...
They made Raistlin a good guy?
If ever I needed an excuse to call Fifth Age and onwards DL lame, that would take the cake. | |
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Master Peon
spikegif
Warlord
5699 Posts
| | 05/01/2005 6:26 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Iksander
They made Raistlin a good guy?
I do not think that Raistlin is a good guy, he still is out for himself. He has finialy seen the world as GODs have seen it, so he understands his existance differently. In no way has he gone to "good" he is still the same, just not vengeful. | |
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glauron
Underboss
1379 Posts
Sydney, Australia
| | 05/01/2005 8:38 PM |
| Well one day we may be calling Iskander a good guy.
And as for his "suck hairy lab monkey ... ", I haven't laughed so hard in weeks. Good to see Lab Monkey thought it funny too. | |
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Lab Monkey
Commander
4135 Posts
| | 05/01/2005 10:55 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by glauron
Well one day we may be calling Iskander a good guy.
And as for his "suck hairy lab monkey ... ", I haven't laughed so hard in weeks. Good to see Lab Monkey thought it funny too.
Yeah, Iksander just needs a hug. | |
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Master Peon
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Warlord
5699 Posts
| | 05/09/2005 12:54 PM |
| | any thing new to add to this? | |
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Lab Monkey
Commander
4135 Posts
| | 05/09/2005 2:48 PM |
| | Yes, I'm sorry spikegif. Life has been in the way the past week or so.... I haven't forgotten though. | |
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Lab Monkey
Commander
4135 Posts
| | 05/16/2005 12:29 PM |
| Ok so I had a look at them in detail this weekend.
There is a lot to love and to hate about this PrC and I think that much of it depends on the age in which you are playing. They take a big hit at the door with the forced specialization and focused specialization. If you're playing a white robe wizard, you're giving up 3 of the following schools: transmutation, illusion, enchantment, necromancy. Um, no thanks. With Wizard's primary abilities being their spells, that is a lot of selection to loose forever.
On the other hand the PrC does offer a number of abilities, IMO the biggest of these are the free spells you may scribe, the access to research facilities for researching spells and making magic items. All of these are nice and they help get around what I think is the biggest limiting factor for wizards- the cost of finding desired new spells and scribing them to your spellbook. However, all these abilities are contingent on you playing in an age where the tower of high sorcerery in Wayreth has not been lost. If its gone, so is this benefit.
The other abilities are nice as well.
Taken as a whole, I think you give up much more than you get by taking this PrC. Sacrificing 3 schools of magic stinks. It's possible that this book was published just before D&D v3.5 and that the designers intended you to only sacrifice 2 schools of magic. That would minimize the penalty significantly and I'd consider it as a house rule.
OTOH, I do like this PrC because I think it really fits the flavor of Dragonlance well as was outlined in the various novels despite the reduction in power.
Anyway, sorry it took me so long to get back to you spikegif. | |
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Ghendar
Warlord
11456 Posts
In ur house, stealin' yur minis
| | 05/16/2005 12:52 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Lab Monkey
[quote]
Yeah, Iksander just needs a hug.
More than that would be my guess. Sounds like he has to release some...............tension. | |
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The Great
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Ghendar
Warlord
11456 Posts
In ur house, stealin' yur minis
| | 05/16/2005 12:54 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by spikegif
quote:
Originally posted by Iksander
They made Raistlin a good guy?
I do not think that Raistlin is a good guy, he still is out for himself. He has finialy seen the world as GODs have seen it, so he understands his existance differently. In no way has he gone to "good" he is still the same, just not vengeful.
I would agree. No way Raist will ever be "good". | |
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Master Peon
spikegif
Warlord
5699 Posts
| | 05/16/2005 2:54 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Lab Monkey
OTOH, I do like this PrC because I think it really fits the flavor of Dragonlance well as was outlined in the various novels despite the reduction in power.
Anyway, sorry it took me so long to get back to you spikegif.
That is ok about taking so long. I also agree about the flacor of it. I think I will only be taking 1 level in it. I have chosen the Red Robes, a hit to selection of spell, but I like my char.
There is another wizard in the party who is CG and looking for the White Robes. another question, Would a White Robed wizard run around enjoy killing everything? A "Nuke Battery" as he calls himeself. He loves his fireballs (and MM) and lanches them every chance he gets at anything. | |
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Lab Monkey
Commander
4135 Posts
| | 05/16/2005 5:01 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by spikegif
That is ok about taking so long. I also agree about the flacor of it. I think I will only be taking 1 level in it. I have chosen the Red Robes, a hit to selection of spell, but I like my char.
Well once you've taken 1 level, I think you've paid the biggest penalty (focused specialization). At that point, you might as well grab additional levels.
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There is another wizard in the party who is CG and looking for the White Robes. another question, Would a White Robed wizard run around enjoy killing everything? A "Nuke Battery" as he calls himeself. He loves his fireballs (and MM) and lanches them every chance he gets at anything.
Hardly sounds like a wizard of the white robes to me. There are relatively few such characters in the DL novels (really just Par-Salin and Palin Majere) and both are very cautious and thoughtful in their use of power.
In general though, wizards are regarded with some suspicious in Ansalon and most are reluctant to engage in wanton displays of power unless it is truly required. The white robes tend to be devoted to protecting the innocent, red to maintaining the balance between good and evil, and black with personal gain at any cost.
The Gods of magic are pretty quick to switch someones colors if someone behaves outside of their alignment (such as when Raistlen turns to evil in 'Dragon of the Spring Dawning' or when Palin almost becomes evil in 'Dragons of the Summer Flame' when he is willing to allow Steel's exicution).
Just my intrepretation. | |
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