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Originally posted by Captain Harlock

I might try that if I could find my copies of them.

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Originally posted by Okay McKay

I dunno, a great DM can turn any pile of crap into an enjoyable game. I truly believe that. I also believe that a poor DM can make even the greatest adventure ever written into a dreary trek through a location nobody cares about.

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Originally posted by Frederyck

If I remember correctly, the Viking green book was all full of Viking mythological creatures, like ghosts and goblins etc. So basically, if you wanted to run a game set in the real world, but populated with spooky things like they believed at the time, the setting was quite good.

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Originally posted by Ghendar

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I might try that if I could find my copies of them.

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ebay.

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Originally posted by Iksander



On the flip-side, playing in the 'real' world is something I've wanted to do for ages. I love the history of early medieval and dark ages France, and of even earlier, in the crusades with the advent and rise of Islam with the heroes like Saladin, fighting the evil crusaders (and there is little doubt that they were evil).

The mere fact that you can use real-world maps and surrounding historical events to give a sense of verisimilitude is pure gold. I think the problem comes in with the mundanity of it, though. Part of the enjoyment of D&D is that it's fantastic, and gives you tangible rewards whereas with a real-world campaign, I think you'd have to have a really good group of roleplayers and be a DM capable of giving satisfaction through story-goals. Both of which are exceptionally difficult to attain.

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Originally posted by Frederyck

Hm, I know that the old RuneQuest books I have that aren't geared towards Glorantha give you Europe in the dark ages (or something to that effect) as a setting. I seem to remember a map that came in a box (is that vague enough for you? :) ) depicting a RuneQuestian Europe anyway.

Also, Ars Magica is set pretty firmly in the early middle ages of Europe.

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On the flip-side, playing in the 'real' world is something I've wanted to do for ages. I love the history of early medieval and dark ages France, and of even earlier, in the crusades with the advent and rise of Islam with the heroes like Saladin, fighting the evil crusaders (and there is little doubt that they were evil).
The mere fact that you can use real-world maps and surrounding historical events to give a sense of verisimilitude is pure gold. I think the problem comes in with the mundanity of it, though. Part of the enjoyment of D&D is that it's fantastic, and gives you tangible rewards whereas with a real-world campaign, I think you'd have to have a really good group of roleplayers and be a DM capable of giving satisfaction through story-goals. Both of which are exceptionally difficult to attain.

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You know, one campaign that I have always thought would be fun would be one would sort of be like a combination of 7th Seas and FR/Maztica. The PCs would be human European explorers (in a Europe with only humans) who discover/are sent to explore the new world. In the new world are all the "new" races, such as elves, dwarves etc, etc... Perhaps the Iriqouis Confederacy contains a nation of each race? Perhaps the Couatls rule part of the "Aztec" empire or one of the smaller nations around it. I think that could be a real fun campaign.
Dan Cooper

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On the flip-side, playing in the 'real' world is something I've wanted to do for ages. I love the history of early medieval and dark ages France, and of even earlier, in the crusades with the advent and rise of Islam with the heroes like Saladin, fighting the evil crusaders (and there is little doubt that they were evil).
The mere fact that you can use real-world maps and surrounding historical events to give a sense of verisimilitude is pure gold. I think the problem comes in with the mundanity of it, though. Part of the enjoyment of D&D is that it's fantastic, and gives you tangible rewards whereas with a real-world campaign, I think you'd have to have a really good group of roleplayers and be a DM capable of giving satisfaction through story-goals. Both of which are exceptionally difficult to attain.

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You know, one campaign that I have always thought would be fun would be one would sort of be like a combination of 7th Seas and FR/Maztica. The PCs would be human European explorers (in a Europe with only humans) who discover/are sent to explore the new world. In the new world are all the "new" races, such as elves, dwarves etc, etc... Perhaps the Iriqouis Confederacy contains a nation of each race? Perhaps the Couatls rule part of the "Aztec" empire or one of the smaller nations around it. I think that could be a real fun campaign.
Dan Cooper

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That is a really cool idea. I don't think I could get my players to do it though. Very few of them ever want to play human's. They would get to the new world see the elves and things and say I thought we couldn't be those.

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