LordStorm
Sneak
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Columbus Ohio
 | | 11/11/2005 8:17 PM |
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LordStorm
Sneak
133 Posts
Columbus Ohio
| | 11/11/2005 8:17 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by megamadrat
Hi Folks,
In a game last night, it was noted that fist of stone didn't actually mention whether or not it adds to damage for strength as well as for attack bonuses.... What's your take on this?
Quote of Spell:
Fist of Stone
..... a +6 enhancement bonus to Strength for purposes of attacks,
.... dealing 1d6 points of damage plus your new Strength bonus
(or 1-1/2 times your Strength bonus if you make no other attacks
this round).
Huh??? its right there 1d6 plus your old strength +6 = your new strength bonus. ie a 14 str(+2) becomes 20(+5) so your damage is 1d6+5.
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megamadrat
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126 Posts
| | 11/11/2005 8:50 PM |
| | Thank you. I guess it was a case of looking in all the wrong places. | |
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Testament
Underboss
1397 Posts
| | 11/11/2005 10:33 PM |
| I'm the GM in the game in question, and quite frankly this spell makes my head hurt. Part of me thinks that its way too hot for a 1st level spell, since its giving a better bonus than Bull's Strength, for a level lower! The duration is irrelevant, since they're all good for A combat, at best, and this gives you a natural weapon. What do other people think?
BTW Kass, in future be careful about reprinting spell descriptions, Complete Arcane isn't OGC, so you're technically in breach of copyright there. | |
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megamadrat
Sneak
126 Posts
| | 11/11/2005 11:29 PM |
| Ah but it wasn't an EXACT reprinting of the spell in that I also included in the description the one and only errata that I could find : it was also added to the warmage list.
As to this making you head hurt, I can understand that, the character is only level 4 and has a more complex combat chart than Longreach in his prime did. I agree that that it is a bit hot for a first level spell, especially when it is used in unexpected ways, although your goose and gander rule may mean that my little find may cause more trouble to that party than it is worth. | |
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gregreid
Warrior
276 Posts
| | 11/11/2005 11:30 PM |
| I think the key to this spell is that it is PERSONAL.
The mage can only cast it on himself and generally speaking, it does not really play into most mages plans.
While it would be nice for that fighter/mage, I would generally consider a mage that is up front in a battle taking advantage of the spell to one with a very short life span. There are much better ways for a mage to do damage.
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megamadrat
Sneak
126 Posts
| | 11/12/2005 12:52 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by gregreid
There are much better ways for a mage to do damage.
Yes.. in my case it is while raging and pounding on something with a Greatsword. | |
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maijstral
Underboss
2105 Posts
| | 11/12/2005 5:36 AM |
| If you are a fighter mage,or barbaran/mage, its also one less round you are attacking or raging. So you have to spend one round to cast the spell on yourself before you attack then you do 1d6 plus strength bonus, most fighters do more than that with a weapon and I would argue that the strength bonus only counts for the attack with the one 'fist' of stone as it not fist'sof stone plural and the spell assumes you are attacking with your fist and not a weapon in your fist. It even goes on to tell you what happens if you attack with a the stone fist and a weapon in your other hand.
so i think its a powerful 1st level spell but no too powerful. | | | |
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orcdoubleax
Sergeant
694 Posts
| | 11/12/2005 6:54 AM |
| If you take one level or wiz/sor then go to a pure combat class and specilize in unarmed attack it would be very effective at 2-4 level.
After that you be better off with a weapon.
At least that my take on it. | |
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bshugg
Underboss
1832 Posts
| | 11/13/2005 10:14 PM |
| | I would say that the damage would only count when making attacks with that hand/fist. Not with weapons its yielding. That means you would have to make unarmed attacks which provoke if you don't have improved unarmed attack. Its pretty narrowly focused and only good on something like a mage/monk. | |
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kyrin
Commander
3168 Posts
| | 11/13/2005 10:33 PM |
| The only time I have seen this spell used was when a Mage/Thief (2nd Ed) in my party once used it to beat on a Displacer Beast. A blunt weapon was needed, so as to not damage the hide for a Cloak of Displacement. I could see it as a desperation maneuver for a low-level mage, but otherwise there are better ways to injure foes without getting close enough to punch them. Good grief, what did you become a wizard FOR, ferchrissake?
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Testament
Underboss
1397 Posts
| | 11/13/2005 11:20 PM |
| | For the record BShugg, you don't provoke when using the fist, as it becomes a Slam attack, a natural weapon. | |
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Fry
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1724 Posts
| | 11/14/2005 1:24 AM |
| | The spell doesn't scale AT ALL, so far as I can tell. Which means the "being really good at 1st level" is balanced by "being utter trash at level 3+". | |
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