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Originally posted by AesophDarkfable

For instance in the half-elf section they mention their human and elf parentage, but half-elves are a race that breeds true in Eberron and do not come from human-elf parentage anymore. To compact this mistake, they claim that half-elves can wear ither elf or human dragonmarks, again a mistake that comes from seemingly not knowing the world, Half-elves have their own dragonmarked houses and cannot wear the human or elven dragonmarks. - (for non-Eberron users)

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Originally posted by AesophDarkfable

For instance in the half-elf section they mention their human and elf parentage, but half-elves are a race that breeds true in Eberron and do not come from human-elf parentage anymore. To compact this mistake, they claim that half-elves can wear ither elf or human dragonmarks, again a mistake that comes from seemingly not knowing the world, Half-elves have their own dragonmarked houses and cannot wear the human or elven dragonmarks. - (for non-Eberron users)

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Guh, I find problems like this exceedingly irritating, being a big stickler myself. These sorts of errors invariably lead to incredibly stupid arguments amongst fans of the setting (I can't begin to tell you how dumb some of the arguments that used to happen on the old Greytalk mailing list were) and shouldn't really require much due diligence on the parts of designers to catch. This isn't a case of a few numerical errors in a stat block, it is a major feature of the setting that an author should be aware of even if he/she only read the first 20 pages of the ECS. [:p]

I'll still likely buy it, as I think my players could use something like this to ground them in the setting a little better.

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For instance in the half-elf section they mention their human and elf parentage, but half-elves are a race that breeds true in Eberron and do not come from human-elf parentage anymore. To compact this mistake, they claim that half-elves can wear ither elf or human dragonmarks, again a mistake that comes from seemingly not knowing the world, Half-elves have their own dragonmarked houses and cannot wear the human or elven dragonmarks. - (for non-Eberron users)

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Guh, I find problems like this exceedingly irritating, being a big stickler myself. These sorts of errors invariably lead to incredibly stupid arguments amongst fans of the setting (I can't begin to tell you how dumb some of the arguments that used to happen on the old Greytalk mailing list were) and shouldn't really require much due diligence on the parts of designers to catch. This isn't a case of a few numerical errors in a stat block, it is a major feature of the setting that an author should be aware of even if he/she only read the first 20 pages of the ECS. [:p]

I'll still likely buy it, as I think my players could use something like this to ground them in the setting a little better.

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Yeah the Subraces thing I can look beyond, they are sidebars. But the half-elf thing infuriates me. I really wonder if the writers even read the EbCS.

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Originally posted by AesophDarkfable

Forgotten Realms books which just seem to throw more classes and feats at us, these books throw the world at us. The Forgotten Realms Players Guide as opposed to this book reads as character optimization 101.

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Originally posted by Kiddoc

Bought the book for one of my player's birthdays. Only had a chance to glance at it briefly.

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Bought the book for one of my player's birthdays. Only had a chance to glance at it briefly.

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Was that Lucky??

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Originally posted by AesophDarkfable

Forgotten Realms books which just seem to throw more classes and feats at us, these books throw the world at us. The Forgotten Realms Players Guide as opposed to this book reads as character optimization 101.

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I wish I could SPAM email this kind of sentiment to the FR designers about 40823047 times.

FR books used to be really, really cool in 1st and 2nd edition and the beginning of 3.0. I honestly couldn't recommend FR as a setting for new players unless they buy the old books. Theres really no good book to introduce players to the world in print. They all read like encyclopedia's and character creation crib sheets. They need to put out another box set with some maps, paper books full of background info and cool places in cities and ruins, plus a book full of intro adventures that can get people started in the realms.

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Originally posted by ChristopherGroves

I had one pre-ordered for me as an XMas gift; should be here for next session.

Aesoph, I've got to echo your comments. I just found myself reading the Five Nations and stumbled an entry for the Crying Fields. As it happens, that's where the party is in our game right now, so I perused the background. I have no doubt that our DM is going to do whatever he decides in terms of the cruch, so he needn't worry about me knowing any super secrets ... anyway, I avoid the crunch as a rule.

So I'm reading it and stumble across a passage that is talking about the ghosts of armies who fight out battles here ... and they do so when the moon is full....

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Originally posted by AesophDarkfable

For instance in the half-elf section they mention their human and elf parentage, but half-elves are a race that breeds true in Eberron and do not come from human-elf parentage anymore. To compact this mistake, they claim that half-elves can wear ither elf or human dragonmarks, again a mistake that comes from seemingly not knowing the world, Half-elves have their own dragonmarked houses and cannot wear the human or elven dragonmarks.

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Originally posted by jgsugden

Dude, Shoe ... stop trying to fight off our rants with the truth. The truth is never a good defense against a rant. We have a right to yell, and scream, and nothing is going to get in our way ...

Now, back to our ranting ... why the heck didn't they even mention Drizz't in those references to drow? BOGUS!!!!!!

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Alright Shoe ... and if the Crying Fields are active when the moon is full ... which one?

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...And I'll try not to subvert any more ranting -- in fact, I support the right to rant. Nobody's perfect, after all, and you deserve the chance to point that out...

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...And I'll try not to subvert any more ranting -- in fact, I support the right to rant. Nobody's perfect, after all, and you deserve the chance to point that out...

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And you deserve the chance to rant about our bad rantings ... In fact, I encourage people to point out when rants are off base, because it may encourage the ranter to confirm the basis for his ranting before he goes overboard ...

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And I'll try not to subvert any more ranting -- in fact, I support the right to rant. Nobody's perfect, after all, and you deserve the chance to point that out...

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Originally posted by AesophDarkfable
...Well techinically I think it was a gripe [:p]...

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legit gripe there..

And I'll try not to subvert any more ranting -- in fact, I support the right to rant. Nobody's perfect, after all, and you deserve the chance to point that out...

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Originally posted by AesophDarkfable

For instance in the half-elf section they mention their human and elf parentage, but half-elves are a race that breeds true in Eberron and do not come from human-elf parentage anymore. To compact this mistake, they claim that half-elves can wear ither elf or human dragonmarks, again a mistake that comes from seemingly not knowing the world, Half-elves have their own dragonmarked houses and cannot wear the human or elven dragonmarks.

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Originally posted by AesophDarkfable

For instance in the half-elf section they mention their human and elf parentage, but half-elves are a race that breeds true in Eberron and do not come from human-elf parentage anymore. To compact this mistake, they claim that half-elves can wear ither elf or human dragonmarks, again a mistake that comes from seemingly not knowing the world, Half-elves have their own dragonmarked houses and cannot wear the human or elven dragonmarks.

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I too thought this was a mistake, and we all recall the fuss that came from the Crimson Talisman novel, when Vaddi Kamel, the son of a human and an elf manifested a House Orien dragonmark. But it is not a mistake.

Indeed, half-elves are their own distinct race, that do breed true, and the product of those unions involving half-elves of House Lyrander or House Medani can pass on the appropriate dragonmark.

A half-elf that is the product of a union between a human and an elf can produce a half elf that may bear a dragonmark from either the human or elf side, if a dragonmarked parent is involved. This seemed to be the case with Vaddi.

I refer you to p16 of the ECS, and I quote from the dragonmarks section "Since the union of elves and humans sometimes produces half-elves that are not part of the true breeding race, a small number of half-elves can be found among the human- and elf- controlled dragonmarked houses."

So it's not a mistake Aesoph, just a little obscure Eberronian knowledge :-)

All is well.

Added later - oops should have read all the posts, Shoe is on the ball.

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