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ShadowLord XT
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 | | 01/19/2006 5:55 PM |
| I like LE in DDM and I've made 2 LE rpg charcters. The one I'm probably going to use is a LE Human sorcerer.
My question is, how am I supposed to make him act?? Different alignments, different ways of acting out life. This isn't an evil campaign. | |
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Omand
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3120 Posts
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
| | 01/19/2006 6:12 PM |
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Originally posted by ShadowLord XT
I like LE in DDM and I've made 2 LE rpg charcters. The one I'm probably going to use is a LE Human sorcerer.
My question is, how am I supposed to make him act?? Different alignments, different ways of acting out life. This isn't an evil campaign.
If it is not an evil campaign, why is the DM allowing you to play an evil character?
That is almost a recipe for disaster in the group, as your aims will not necessarily mesh with those of the rest of the characters.
As to how you would behave, well, start with the PHB description of what LE is. You are generally observent of the law, but will seek to pervert it to your needs as much as possible. Also, where there is no teeth to the law you will choose to do whatever you like (might makes right). You would believe in contracts and the like, but would include things such as slavary and prostitution and torture, and perhaps even some forms of murder as "lawful" depending on the circumstances (or if these are not legal, you likely would want them to be so).
Hope that helps.
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Sammael
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1881 Posts
| | 01/19/2006 6:26 PM |
| LE is perhaps the one evil alignment that can work in a non-evil group.
Consider the following recommendations:
A LE person depends on the established order to preserve (and improve) his own position in any group. Thus, your character should insist on a well-defined party hierarchy. Once this is clear, he should slowly start working towards the top. As a sorcerer (i.e. a highly charismatic individual) this shouldn't be too hard.
LE implies enforced order. Your character shouldn't hesitate to act within confines of the local laws and use it to his own benefits. If, for example, the party captures an enemy, the LE character should insist on turning him in to justice. This A) ensures that he is properly punished and made an example and B) increases the LE character's reputation with respect to the local administration. In reality, your character cares absolutely nothing about justice itself, but sees this as an opportunity to benefit from the system.
LE characters are manipulators. If there is a way for your character to do something through minions, friends, or even generic townsfolk, he should avoid doing it himself. One of the "must" spells for a LE sorcerer is charm person (IMO). There is strength in numbers, and LE characters know it.
Many LE characters follow a "code of honor." While it's miles away from a paladin's code, this simple set of behavior rules ensures that your character doesn't have to worry too much about reacting to any given situation. Furthermore, it helps establish your character as a "beast of habit." His behavior should be at least a little predictable (which doesn't mean he can't learn from his - or, better yet, other's - mistakes). | |
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jgsugden
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4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 01/19/2006 7:56 PM |
| I'd be hesitant to follow your model of character construction. A character isn't just a bunch of words on a page, it is a personality. Don't make the words form the personality. Let the personality guide the words. In other words, it seems like you're looking at a game term (Lawful Evil) and are trying to make a character to fit it. Instead, try making a character and seeing what alignment best fits that personality.
This can be a concept for some people to grasp. The 'min-max' aspects tend to get in the way of forming a personality that makes sense. I encourage players to pick a personality and roleplay through some (noncombat) childhood and young adult encounters with that personality before they pick up a book, a pencil or dice. This gives them a chance to flesh out the personality before it gets buried under game terms.
Some examples of situations a 'young' character might encounter that can be used to help form a personality ... and give the DM a few adventure hooks for the future.
* The young character is walking home alone one evening when he hears a moan from some bushes to the side of the road. When he glances over, he sees a young thug picking through the pockets of an unconcious man. When the thug notices the young character watching him, the thug runs off and leaps over a fence too tall for the young character to follow. What does the young character do?
* A wandering bard comes into town. Soon after arriving, the bard pulls the young adventurer aside and asks him some questions about the town. How would the young character answer these questions? "Do you know of any especially friendly young ladies?" "Who is the wealthiest man in town?" "Would you like to see my room at the inn?"
* The young advennturer is awakened in the middle of the night by a sound in his home. As he is the only one there at the time, he investigates. He comes across a thief (perhaps the bard from the last example) who is clearly stealing from the home. The thief turns on the youngster and casts a sleep spell on the youth. When the young adventurer awakens, the thief is gone, as are most of the family valuables. What does the young adventurer do? (Regardless, the thief should get away and disappear, so that the DM can use his as a foil in later adventures).
Those typpes of exercises can help form a very vivid personality for a PC before the game terms get in the way ... | |
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Scarecrow
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788 Posts
| | 01/19/2006 9:25 PM |
| I thought Sammael's post was great.
Not to throw a wrench into all of this, but the Eberron campaign setting has blurred the lines of alignment somewhat. You may want to read the alignment section in that a bit. It may give you some tips and ideas on how to run a LE character in a good campaign. | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6685 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 01/19/2006 10:50 PM |
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Originally posted by Scarecrow
the Eberron campaign setting has blurred the lines of alignment somewhat.
Another reason for me to not like Eberron. To me, alignment is an important part of D&D--the foundation on which the fantasy game was built.
Anyway--it would make sense to me if your character tried to do whatever underhanded things he did without the rest of the party realizing it. Think Palpatine in Star Wars 1-3. He used the system to accomplish evil while appearing good and obtaining power step by step along the way. Wolf in sheep's clothing. | |
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glauron
Underboss
1379 Posts
Sydney, Australia
| | 01/20/2006 4:21 AM |
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Originally posted by glauron
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Originally posted by Corim Danex
[quote]Originally posted by Scarecrow
the Eberron campaign setting has blurred the lines of alignment somewhat.
Another reason for me to not like Eberron. To me, alignment is an important part of D&D--the foundation on which the fantasy game was built.
Now don't go jumping to conclusions. Just because the ECS offers interesting interpretations of how an alignment might be played, that does not mean that alignment is not a vital element of the ECS.
I think if you read the material you'd have a better perspective from which to criticise.
For instance, there is a theocracy in the ECS called Thrane. They're full of holy warriors, some might call them paladins, but their interpretation of LG is interesting to say the least. It may be the full on LG that you are familiar with, or it might be a fundamentalist, fanatical view of LG where say, a group of these followers of the Silver Flame might torch an entire village if they suspect that one of the villagers is a werewolf. In there eyes, perfectly accepable behaviour for LG - destroy evil at all costs.
It's much more complex than I can explain here, but trust me, ECS does not throw out the baby with the bath water when it comes to alignment.
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Sjofn
Sneak
141 Posts
| | 01/20/2006 5:43 AM |
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Originally posted by Corim Danex
Another reason for me to not like Eberron. To me, alignment is an important part of D&D--the foundation on which the fantasy game was built.
It actually adds a nice layer of complexity, rather than relying too much on stereotypic ideas of what "lawful good" or whatever mean. I find it much more interesting that way. | |
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Ghendar
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| | 01/20/2006 6:54 AM |
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Originally posted by Scarecrow
I thought Sammael's post was great.
As did I. Summed it up quite nicely. [:D] | |
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Zenako
Commander
3468 Posts
| | 01/20/2006 10:24 AM |
| In my view, LE is possible to play within a group, but people must be prepared for the consequences. I played a LE character some years ago in a much earlier version of D&D. The group had no paladins or the like to cause inherent conflicts. I was a elven ftr/mage with over the top stats, but was almost normal in that group of characters. The dice were all on steroids during that campaign start for some reason. I was a good teammate, since it served my owns goals of increasing my power. I never put myself at personal risk to save someone else, but then again my definition of being at risk took a pretty high threshold due to stats and equipment we all had. I was perhaps a bit stereotypical in that I had skills in interrogation and freely used them when questioning defeated foes. Some of the other PCs choose to move elsewhere while I did my business, and never wanted to know what happened to the "prisoner". From the way most of the other characters played they were tending towards neutral in many respects since they had no major issues with my methods.
The character was later stunned when his companions went WAY out of their way to rescue him from a rather embarassing situation. I had failed a save versus petrification (Medusa IIRC) and had probably rolled a "1" to do so. The rest of the party killed the critter and was at a loss for what to do. They knew that the wizard in the city was infirm and would not be able to come out to the site where I was statued, but could cast the Stone to Flesh. (Scrolls were not an option.) So the group decided to carry my rock body back to town. This involved some serious extra effort since the caves we were in had involved some tight squeezes to get into. The species max strength 18.99 dwarf, pulled out a pick and with the help of others widened out the passage a few places so that they did not have to break me into parts to extract the character. Then they carried me back "5 miles" to town or whatever, down from the mountains were we had gone into the cave.
I was awakened and somewhat bemused by the lengths these associates had gone to to extract me. I viewed it as a testatment to how valuable and powerful an ally they considered me to be and was inwardly pleased on how this reflected on my stature.
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6685 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 01/20/2006 12:10 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by glauron
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Originally posted by Corim Danex
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Originally posted by Scarecrow
the Eberron campaign setting has blurred the lines of alignment somewhat.
Another reason for me to not like Eberron. To me, alignment is an important part of D&D--the foundation on which the fantasy game was built.
Now don't go jumping to conclusions. Just because the ECS offers interesting interpretations of how an alignment might be played. that does not mean that alignment is not a vital element of the ECS.
Ok. Jumping back away from that conclusion. Thanks for the explanation. | |
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Malin Lug
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742 Posts
| | 01/20/2006 1:07 PM |
| Playing lawful evil can work in a group depending on the dynamics of the group. If it is made up of Neutral aligned people (particularly mostly lawful neutral) then it really shouldn't be a problem. In our current long running campaign, the replacement cleric came in a Lawful Evil... it really didn't last too long. After a few conversations almost came to blows, and some very heroic actions on his part to save party members, he changed to Lawful Neutral.
If you choose to play Lawful Evil, you have to remember that you are evil. An act that is doesn't break your own code of conduct that puts you further forward is acceptable. If you are casting an empowered lightning bolt and one of the party members steps in front of you... oh well. When I was playing a Lawful Evil Red Wizard Evoker, I was one of the people that insisnted on a contract before each adventure and made rules of engagement. If someone walked in my line of fire, they would get hurt if not killed. I killed 4-5 followers because they got in the way. I manipulated events and got one of the other party members killed and felt no responsibility for it. Remember that you are EVIL.
If your party is good aligned, don't be to surprised if they kick your character out of the group or even kill him.
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reezel
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555 Posts
| | 01/20/2006 1:15 PM |
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Originally posted by Malin Lug
Remember that you are EVIL.
I do believe that a character can be evil and still squirm at the thought or murdering someone themselves. Am I the only one who doesn't associate the ease of killing with evil, or am I a minority? | |
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Sammael
Underboss
1881 Posts
| | 01/20/2006 4:04 PM |
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Originally posted by reezel
quote:
Originally posted by Malin Lug
Remember that you are EVIL.
I do believe that a character can be evil and still squirm at the thought or murdering someone themselves. Am I the only one who doesn't associate the ease of killing with evil, or am I a minority?
I don't know if you're in a minority or not, but I agree with you. Many LE stereotype characters I can think of don't care about human life at all, but wouldn't want to actually perform the deed of murder themselves.
Additionally, if you kill an enemy, he's dead - and that's it (even worse, in D&D he can come back from the dead... with a vengeance). On the other hand, if you enslave him, brainwash him, manipulate him, blackmail him, make him your unwitting accomplice, or whatnot, he can prove to be very useful to you. Particularly if you manage to crush his spirit and remove all thoughts of revenge out of his pitiful little mind.
Evil = fun. But only if played right. Zenako's example was great. I once played a very similar character - a tiefling wizard who continually backstabbed (figuratively speaking) his own party whenever they decided to go in a direction he didn't approve of. They never even suspected it was him who ruined many of their "clever" ideas. But he was very useful, worked great as a team player, didn't mind risking his own skin, and had no problem with their general beliefs and ideologies. | |
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 01/20/2006 5:15 PM |
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Originally posted by reezel
quote:
Originally posted by Malin Lug
Remember that you are EVIL.
I do believe that a character can be evil and still squirm at the thought or murdering someone themselves. Am I the only one who doesn't associate the ease of killing with evil, or am I a minority?
Please refeer to the PHB definition of Lawful Evil. I'll wait ...
Yep. He sure can hesitate to kill people ... *themself*. A LE person might get an upset tummy at the thought of sticking a knife into the back of a close friend, or even balk at the idea of doing it because it violates his personal code of conduct. That is why he might have an underling, or a hired hand do it for him (should it prove necessary to see that former ally removed).
However, being LE doesn't mean you have to be stupid. A LE character in a party that has established a clear intent to do good deeds might act just like a lawful good character, even though his inner voice would be telling him that the party is wasting time with their foolish ethical approaches to some of the problems they face. He follows the rules. When the rules allow him to use a more direct approach ... well, he has no problem with that type of activity.
One character that strikes me as a good example of a LE character would be the sell-sword named Bronn in the George Martin "Song of Fire and Ice" series of books. I'll avoid major spoilers and say he is loyal, and follows the rules, but he doesn't really care who gets hurt by his actions. He doesn't care who his employer might be (he'd work for a just lord as easily as a cruel tyrant) ... just as long as he gets paid, and he doesn't have to break his personal code of conduct. | |
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Oni
Underboss
1131 Posts
| | 01/20/2006 8:18 PM |
| What I like to to is associate something I know with the different Alignments.
Like Jgsugden stated I too think Bronn is a great example of LE, as is The Hound from the same book. He does the bad things his king tells him to, but takes little to no joy in it.
Also Nicolas Cage character in Lords of War is a perfect example of LE in my book. | |
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ShadowLord XT
Commander
2631 Posts
Plane of Shadow
| | 01/20/2006 9:45 PM |
| 1) Thank you Sammael. That is VERY helpful.
2) I don't think the sorcerer in the player's Handbook comes with the spell Charm Person.
3) Oni, I have never read Fire and Ice or seen Lords of War. Any other examples? | |
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Commander
2838 Posts
| | 01/20/2006 11:44 PM |
| I always think of LE like the Mafia. The OLD Mafia--before the world changed and street gangs started taking over.
If you're an X-Files fan, think of CGB Spender (Cigarette Smoking Man)--I think he's a pretty good LE character.
As for a more extreme portrait of LE, check out Clive Barker's Hellraiser (assuming you're old enough to watch Rated R movies). The Cenobites are clearly Lawful and thoroughly Evil. Also from the movies, X-Men's Magneto would fit very nicely into LE.
All IMO, of course. | |
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stonefro2000
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465 Posts
| | 01/21/2006 2:26 AM |
| | dude the best thing you could do is to hold off on playing evil in the first place unless your dm has a lot of experince under his/her belt these types of campiangs can go off the rails real quick. my group just ran our first evil adventure. we have been playing for 3 yrs now, the adventure lasted one session. but at least we all got the urge to kill each other out of the way for a while. | |
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Sammael
Underboss
1881 Posts
| | 01/21/2006 2:43 AM |
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Originally posted by ShadowLord XT
1) Thank you Sammael. That is VERY helpful.
You're welcome.
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2) I don't think the sorcerer in the player's Handbook comes with the spell Charm Person.
You get to pick your own spells. At 1st level, you can take any two 1st level spells you want. Generally speaking, you probably want one offensive spell (color spray or burning hands) and one "utility" spell (such as charm person). | |
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Oni
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1131 Posts
| | 01/21/2006 4:40 AM |
| | About the only other example I can think of is the Operator from Serenity... I think he was an operator... the guy with the sword [)]. | |
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Malin Lug
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742 Posts
| | 01/21/2006 10:54 AM |
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Originally posted by Oni
About the only other example I can think of is the Operator from Serenity... I think he was an operator... the guy with the sword [)].
I would say the Operative from Serenity would actually be lawful neutral. Remember that LN is capabale of doing both good and evil acts. He was very, very lawful, following his code of honor no matter what was done, but was not evil by nature. Alot of these characters that people are talking about, are as likely to be LN versus LE. | |
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Oni
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1131 Posts
| | 01/21/2006 12:40 PM |
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Originally posted by Malin Lug
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Originally posted by Oni
About the only other example I can think of is the Operator from Serenity... I think he was an operator... the guy with the sword [)].
I would say the Operative from Serenity would actually be lawful neutral. Remember that LN is capabale of doing both good and evil acts. He was very, very lawful, following his code of honor no matter what was done, but was not evil by nature. Alot of these characters that people are talking about, are as likely to be LN versus LE.
operative... that makes more since than operator [:)] been a bit since I seen it. In my book he pushed the limets of the law. LE is a hard alignment to stick to people though. | |
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2838 Posts
| | 01/21/2006 1:03 PM |
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Originally posted by Malin Lug
I would say the Operative from Serenity would actually be lawful neutral. Remember that LN is capabale of doing both good and evil acts. He was very, very lawful, following his code of honor no matter what was done, but was not evil by nature. Alot of these characters that people are talking about, are as likely to be LN versus LE.
In the case of the Operative, I would probably be inclined to go with LN as opposed to LE. Just some of the things he said about himself being a monster and killing children ("I do.") and the fact that although there was no place for him in "the Utopia" he was still working to safeguard it. He's doing evil for the sake of the good--so no one else will have to do it, and because he's very adept at it.
But the thing is, when examining the motivations of a character, most characters are the hero of their own stories. Even CGB Spender was a "hero" from his own vantage point. The Mafia Dons probably don't consider themselves evil, either.
The thing is, you have to have a worldview which won't be subject to all the relativism and you have to judge the character's actions based on that worldview. Basically, you have to check the motivations behind the action as well as the consequences (positive and negative) of those actions.
Oni is very correct. It's very tough to find good examples of LE behavior. | |
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Malin Lug
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742 Posts
| | 01/21/2006 1:55 PM |
| For lawful evil... think about a tyrant. Enforcing a brutal law and executing anyone who would oppose him. Very neat and ordered, but cruel and oppresive.
When I was playing Lawful Evil (in an evil game by the way) I started a war and got another player killed. I framed him for an attack. I killed followers of other players and had other followers killed. The other players were afraid of me, and were not willing to cross me. Where it was legal, I bought slaves to extract liquid pain. There were no questions about whether or not my character was evil, but I also had a couple of situations where I stepped into danger to save the party (mostly because we were in a bad way and to let them die meant that I would probably not make it out alive.) I have always thought of lawful evil as very cold and calculated evil, using the law to promote their ends. Think about some of the defense attourneys you see. [)] | |
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glauron
Underboss
1379 Posts
Sydney, Australia
| | 01/21/2006 7:35 PM |
| If Artemis Entreri isn't LE, I don't know who is. He is the complete opposite, interestingly, of one Drizzt Do'Urden the quintessential CG character. It is perhaps no coincidence that these arch-enemies have diametrically opposed alignments.
I'm a big fan of Artemis, he is clearly an evil guy, but actually does many apparently good things, but only when it furthers his own mission. I perhaps should say I'm a big fan of Salvatore. | |
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Chris Orlando
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187 Posts
| | 01/24/2006 9:54 AM |
| I have a little story going along with a Evil person in a Good group.
I currently run a game in Eberron and the party was escaping from a fortress which nearly killed there whole party. The party killed a wizard and hillgiant in the main building. The party consisted of a CG spellcaster (now dead), LN fighter (still alive), LE rogue assassin (alive and kicking), NG cleric (now dead). Anyways as they where about to leave, 2 ogre's approacehd them as they were exiting. The LE rogue assasin casted obscuring mist and left the area (he was at 1 hp) the fighter to fight off the 2 orges by himself (which he did). This annoyed the party that the rogue abbandoned them, but on the other hand he's a LE character and thats probelly how it would have been played. It gets better... Once they get back to town, they managed to spend all of there wealth to revive the 2 party members, and the spellcaster claimed how he didn't wana die again and wanted to leave the party. (At this point a large out of game discussion happend with the rogue and the spellcaster. The rogue (player by the name of brian) said if the sorcy (steve) where to leave, he was going to death attack the sorcy. The rason being that the sorcy took some of the rogues money to revive himself to leave, so brian (the rogue) said he was going to kill the sorcy).
Anyways the end result of this whole ordeal the sorcy ended up staying. Brian the rogue feels really bad and wants to change characters, because he decided that playing LE will be way to much of a pain in the A$$, the party almost died from the rogue fleaing, and a lot of out of game party drama occured. This was the first time for me to allow a LE PC, because i trusted that brian would play ir right. The other reasons I allowed it was because allignments are blurred in eberron.
The conclusion, I feel even in Eberron that a LE PC will eventally tear the party apart though out of game conflict. I now feal that the party has to all be in the vicinity of good or evil, because if there is one outcast, it will create so much out of game drama that the game may not become entertaining. | |
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Zenako
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3468 Posts
| | 01/24/2006 11:11 AM |
| Thats where the maturity of the players comes into play as well. You do not say how old the Rogue's player was, but the response of you want to leave now, I'm going to kill you, seems over the top. What benefit would the rogue get from killing the sorceror? That is the act a chaotic evil character. Had he said something to the effect of, OK, you going to leave, we can live with that, but you mr Sorceror are going to have to live with working off some the debt you just inccured from your living partners. We expect (free spells, or free research or something along those lines to compensate for our losses and out of pocket costs to get you back with the living. That would have been the more lawful approach in my mind.)
Having characters retire due to in game events is perfectly reasonable, and in fact can be very good roleplaying. However, if the character was retiring since the player felt that another player was cheating on him or making his characters life more risky and using out of game information to make that decision, then that points to a group of players that are probably not able to handle the whole impact of playing divergent alignments true to form. | |
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Chris Orlando
Warrior
187 Posts
| | 01/24/2006 12:14 PM |
| Well now that im getting some questions, im more than happy to answer. The drama hole gets a bit deeper. Brian the rogue is 20 and almost 21. Steve the sorcy is 18 (very very immature for his age) and he didn't want to work somthing out with the party where he offered his services in some way (which i would have thought to be a great idea) instead he was trying to get back at me (the DM) by saying i quit and i want to leave the party (which proves how much he was being a babe out of game. Personally i wouldn't have minded him leaving the goup because he is such a babe.
to make a long story short...
Monster kill Steves sorcy
Pc's resurect steve
Steve gets mad at DM so doesn't rollplay his character by offering his services to repay his debts.
Brian (the rogue) threatens to kill steves char if he tried to run and not repay his debt.
Personally that whole ordeal was steve saying "lets get mad at Chris the DM for allowing my char to die" which is total BS. After an hour of us playing and Steve finish crying like a babe in his bedroom (we where at his house) he sat down at the table like an adult, apoligized (meanwhile when he left the table, we all agreed that his char woudln't just leave like that, and the fighter alan has the leadership feat, and he was going to use steves char as his cohort. Going back to the killing thing, Seves Sorcy did have magical stuff on him, so if brians char killed him and took his stuff (Steve woudln't have sacrifice it for the payment to the party for the res) that would have been ok with me as a DM.
Generally i the group is a great group, i have been friends with them all for atleast 4 years, gaming with them for about 3, and Steve is the only cry baby. So im just hoping with this all happening Steve learned not to cry like such a little bitch, and suck it up and act like a man.
Thanks for your imput Zenako, and additional imput will def. be taken into consideration. Going back to what you said, the rogue would have got the magical gear steves char had for retribution for hsi res. | |
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Monsoon28
Underboss
2299 Posts
Toronto
| | 01/24/2006 9:05 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by A Can of the Cave Beer
quote:
Originally posted by Malin Lug
I would say the Operative from Serenity would actually be lawful neutral. Remember that LN is capabale of doing both good and evil acts. He was very, very lawful, following his code of honor no matter what was done, but was not evil by nature. Alot of these characters that people are talking about, are as likely to be LN versus LE.
In the case of the Operative, I would probably be inclined to go with LN as opposed to LE. Just some of the things he said about himself being a monster and killing children ("I do.") and the fact that although there was no place for him in "the Utopia" he was still working to safeguard it. He's doing evil for the sake of the good--so no one else will have to do it, and because he's very adept at it.
I agree, while he regarded himself as a monster, he was doing it for a future of peace and goodness. Someone willing to dirty his hands so other wouldn't have to.
Back on topic:
As for LE, just remember Evil doesn't equal Charlie Manson. Evil can be the coporate executive that steals millions from retirees but would
recoil at the thought of killing someone themself. LE is the perfect alignment to have someone else dirty their hands to achieve it's goals. Grima Wormtongue would be another fine example of LE.
Sammael wrote up an excellent number of examples for LE, any of them would be a great way to go! | |
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Monsoon28
Underboss
2299 Posts
Toronto
| | 01/24/2006 9:16 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Zenako
Had he said something to the effect of, OK, you going to leave, we can live with that, but you mr Sorceror are going to have to live with working off some the debt you just inccured from your living partners. We expect (free spells, or free research or something along those lines to compensate for our losses and out of pocket costs to get you back with the living. That would have been the more lawful approach in my mind.)
Having characters retire due to in game events is perfectly reasonable, and in fact can be very good roleplaying.
A perfect example of how LE would take advantage of the situtaion, through a little good 'ole extortion if need be! [)]
Chris Orlando: Sorry to hear about the guy being so immature, but a suggestion, when writting about his attitude, please refer to him as being a 'baby' not a 'babe'.
Thanks every time you call him a babe, I picture hot chicks in bikinis! [:D] (Ya I can be pretty immature sometimes as well.[)]) | |
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