 Sir Bozak The Damned Commander
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 Québec
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| I was looking in the PDF's I have and could not find the "Improved Two-WEapon Fighting" feat, could someone tell me where to find it or just explain what it does ? My guess is that it negates the final -2/-2 for fighting with a double weapon or two weapons, but you never know. All I managed to find was the "Improved Two-Weapon Defense" feat...
Also, I was wondering if a player adds the maximum dexterity bonus from his shield as well as from his/her armor ? My guess is no, but just in case. Thanks in advance :) | | Please donate BLOOD at http://www.monstersgame.co.uk/ac=vid&vid=11018554 Champion Of Kaz the Minotaur Knight of ALL Draconians. Squire Of ALL Constructs The number ONE fanatic Of Dread Guards ! I own 66 !!! And the GMR1 !!! 119 completed trades so far...NB called shot: Medusa | |
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nyjastul69 Commander
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 | | 01/27/2006 2:20 PM |
| I don't have books with me, but I think it's in Complete Warrior.
Max Dex bonus isn't added to anything. It tells you how much of your dex bonus can added to your AC based on the specific armor your wearing. A shield has no max dex bonus. | |
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 Sir Bozak The Damned Commander
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 Québec
 | | 01/27/2006 2:23 PM |
| | That was the first place I looked :( | | Please donate BLOOD at http://www.monstersgame.co.uk/ac=vid&vid=11018554 Champion Of Kaz the Minotaur Knight of ALL Draconians. Squire Of ALL Constructs The number ONE fanatic Of Dread Guards ! I own 66 !!! And the GMR1 !!! 119 completed trades so far...NB called shot: Medusa | |
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reezel Sergeant
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 | | 01/27/2006 2:31 PM |
| http://www.d20srd.org/srd/feats.htm#improvedTwoWeaponFighting It's right in the PH. It means that instead of one attack with your off hand weapon you also get a second attack with it at your second BAB - 5 | | Champion of the Beholder and Beholderkin
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nyjastul69 Commander
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 | | 01/27/2006 2:31 PM |
| It seems we're both fools, it's core. [:I]
From the SRD:
IMPROVED TWO-WEAPON FIGHTING [GENERAL] Prerequisites: Dex 17, Two-Weapon Fighting, base attack bonus +6.
Benefit: In addition to the standard single extra attack you get with an off-hand weapon, you get a second attack with it, albeit at a –5 penalty.
Normal: Without this feat, you can only get a single extra attack with an off-hand weapon.
Special: A fighter may select Improved Two-Weapon Fighting as one of his fighter bonus feats.
A 6th-level ranger who has chosen the two-weapon combat style is treated as having Improved Two-Weapon Fighting, even if he does not have the prerequisites for it, but only when he is wearing light or no armor.
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reezel Sergeant
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 | | 01/27/2006 2:33 PM |
| quote: Originally posted by Sir Bozak The DamnedAlso, I was wondering if a player adds the maximum dexterity bonus from his shield as well as from his/her armor ? My guess is no, but just in case. Thanks in advance :)
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/equipment/armor.htm THe shield doesn't affect max dex bonus. | | Champion of the Beholder and Beholderkin
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 Sir Bozak The Damned Commander
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 Québec
 | | 01/27/2006 2:50 PM |
| Thank you and again, what is the SRD ? And my player and I ( in another game ) both took Two-Weapon Fighting And "Science" Of Two Weapon Fighting. It was my french PH that threw me off, sorry...
And reezel, can one add say the +3 DEX bonus from a Breastplate to the +2 from a Tower Shield ? That would make +8 for the plate and +6 from the shield... | | Please donate BLOOD at http://www.monstersgame.co.uk/ac=vid&vid=11018554 Champion Of Kaz the Minotaur Knight of ALL Draconians. Squire Of ALL Constructs The number ONE fanatic Of Dread Guards ! I own 66 !!! And the GMR1 !!! 119 completed trades so far...NB called shot: Medusa | |
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nyjastul69 Commander
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 Rhode Island
 | | 01/27/2006 3:05 PM |
| quote: Originally posted by Sir Bozak The Damned
Thank you and again, what is the SRD ? And my player and I ( in another game ) both took Two-Weapon Fighting And "Science" Of Two Weapon Fighting. It was my french PH that threw me off, sorry...
And reezel, can one add say the +3 DEX bonus from a Breastplate to the +2 from a Tower Shield ? That would make +8 for the plate and +6 from the shield...
Breast Plate gives a +5 to AC and trhe tower shield gives a +4 for a total of +9 to AC. The BP has a max dex bonus of +3 and the tower shield has a max dex bonus of +2. What this means is that if the character in question has a dex of 18 for example, that char can only add a +2 from their dex, not the entire +4.
You can find out what the SRD is about here:
http://www.geocities.com/sovelior/srd/home.html
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 jgsugden Commander
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| quote: Originally posted by Sir Bozak The Damned
Thank you and again, what is the SRD ? And my player and I ( in another game ) both took Two-Weapon Fighting And "Science" Of Two Weapon Fighting. It was my french PH that threw me off, sorry...
And reezel, can one add say the +3 DEX bonus from a Breastplate to the +2 from a Tower Shield ? That would make +8 for the plate and +6 from the shield...
Again, Bozak, this is a question that is clearly answered in the books. Although Rezeel has been nice enough to ptovide you with an answer, you should really try to resolve these issues for yourself. The only way to learn to play D&D is to read the books. If you keep asking questions of others and try to obtain the information in a piecemeal fashion, it will never form the complete picture you need.
Accordingly, you'll end up asking more and more questions that could easily be answered by sitting down and puzzling things out with the book.
Save yourself some time. Save the rest of the people on these boards some time. Just sit down and read the rules.
You can find the most important D&D core rules on the internet in the System Reference Document (SRD) if you don't have an English PHB, DM Guide and Monster Manual. Two versions of the SRD are available through the following links:
http://www.d20srd.org/ http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=d20/article/srd35
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Malin Lug Sergeant
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| quote: Originally posted by jgsugden
quote: Originally posted by Sir Bozak The Damned
Thank you and again, what is the SRD ? And my player and I ( in another game ) both took Two-Weapon Fighting And "Science" Of Two Weapon Fighting. It was my french PH that threw me off, sorry...
And reezel, can one add say the +3 DEX bonus from a Breastplate to the +2 from a Tower Shield ? That would make +8 for the plate and +6 from the shield...
Again, Bozak, this is a question that is clearly answered in the books. Although Rezeel has been nice enough to ptovide you with an answer, you should really try to resolve these issues for yourself. The only way to learn to play D&D is to read the books. If you keep asking questions of others and try to obtain the information in a piecemeal fashion, it will never form the complete picture you need.
Accordingly, you'll end up asking more and more questions that could easily be answered by sitting down and puzzling things out with the book.
Save yourself some time. Save the rest of the people on these boards some time. Just sit down and read the rules.
You can find the most important D&D core rules on the internet in the System Reference Document (SRD) if you don't have an English PHB, DM Guide and Monster Manual. Two versions of the SRD are available through the following links:
http://www.d20srd.org/ http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=d20/article/srd35
(FYI: I recall pointing you towards the SRD on multiple occasions in the past ... please take the advise this time)
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*censored* glumag Warlord
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 | | 01/27/2006 4:37 PM |
| quote: Originally posted by jgsugden Again, Bozak, this is a question that is clearly answered in the books. Although Rezeel has been nice enough to ptovide you with an answer, you should really try to resolve these issues for yourself. The only way to learn to play D&D is to read the books. If you keep asking questions of others and try to obtain the information in a piecemeal fashion, it will never form the complete picture you need.
Accordingly, you'll end up asking more and more questions that could easily be answered by sitting down and puzzling things out with the book.
Save yourself some time. Save the rest of the people on these boards some time. Just sit down and read the rules.
You can find the most important D&D core rules on the internet in the System Reference Document (SRD) if you don't have an English PHB, DM Guide and Monster Manual. Two versions of the SRD are available through the following links:
http://www.d20srd.org/ http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=d20/article/srd35
(FYI: I recall pointing you towards the SRD on multiple occasions in the past ... please take the advise this time)
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The Defenestrator AesophDarkfable Warlord
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 | | 01/27/2006 5:39 PM |
| quote: Originally posted by jgsugden
quote: Originally posted by Sir Bozak The Damned
Thank you and again, what is the SRD ? And my player and I ( in another game ) both took Two-Weapon Fighting And "Science" Of Two Weapon Fighting. It was my french PH that threw me off, sorry...
And reezel, can one add say the +3 DEX bonus from a Breastplate to the +2 from a Tower Shield ? That would make +8 for the plate and +6 from the shield...
Again, Bozak, this is a question that is clearly answered in the books. Although Rezeel has been nice enough to ptovide you with an answer, you should really try to resolve these issues for yourself. The only way to learn to play D&D is to read the books. If you keep asking questions of others and try to obtain the information in a piecemeal fashion, it will never form the complete picture you need.
Accordingly, you'll end up asking more and more questions that could easily be answered by sitting down and puzzling things out with the book.
Save yourself some time. Save the rest of the people on these boards some time. Just sit down and read the rules.
You can find the most important D&D core rules on the internet in the System Reference Document (SRD) if you don't have an English PHB, DM Guide and Monster Manual. Two versions of the SRD are available through the following links:
http://www.d20srd.org/ http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=d20/article/srd35
(FYI: I recall pointing you towards the SRD on multiple occasions in the past ... please take the advise this time)
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kyrin Commander
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 | | 01/27/2006 6:58 PM |
| Wow, y'all are *harsh*. Geez, you don't wanna be the dude's reference librarian, just ignore him!
I mean, it's not like he insinuated that experienced traders are trying to take advantage of new traders or anything... You guys are making me look like a nice guy...
...and I don't like it!!!
(Seriously, take it easy. I mean, aren't y'all used to people asking you questions they could find the answer to themselves? Oh yeah, most of you aren't teachers...)
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 Sir Bozak The Damned Commander
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 Québec
 | | 01/27/2006 7:37 PM |
| | What is up with all the ***** attitude, I was only asking a few questios...I prefer no answers to being called an idiot or a **** spammer. I think you need to get off your high horse, jsungenden and many of you just going along with the "I hate Bozak" trend and calling me a spammer but spamming yourself just to insult me !!! Some of you should be ashamed of how you treat people. I am sorry I gave two of my fellow D&D friends this website when some of you are just a bunch of **** !!! | | Please donate BLOOD at http://www.monstersgame.co.uk/ac=vid&vid=11018554 Champion Of Kaz the Minotaur Knight of ALL Draconians. Squire Of ALL Constructs The number ONE fanatic Of Dread Guards ! I own 66 !!! And the GMR1 !!! 119 completed trades so far...NB called shot: Medusa | |
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Darastrix Maekrix dariustad Warlord
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 | | 01/27/2006 7:40 PM |
| quote: Originally posted by glumag
quote: Originally posted by jgsugden Again, Bozak, this is a question that is clearly answered in the books. Although Rezeel has been nice enough to ptovide you with an answer, you should really try to resolve these issues for yourself. The only way to learn to play D&D is to read the books. If you keep asking questions of others and try to obtain the information in a piecemeal fashion, it will never form the complete picture you need.
Accordingly, you'll end up asking more and more questions that could easily be answered by sitting down and puzzling things out with the book.
Save yourself some time. Save the rest of the people on these boards some time. Just sit down and read the rules.
You can find the most important D&D core rules on the internet in the System Reference Document (SRD) if you don't have an English PHB, DM Guide and Monster Manual. Two versions of the SRD are available through the following links:
http://www.d20srd.org/ http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=d20/article/srd35
(FYI: I recall pointing you towards the SRD on multiple occasions in the past ... please take the advise this time)

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 Sir Bozak The Damned Commander
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 Québec
 | | 01/27/2006 7:46 PM |
| | Okay, so this idea of a "community" was complete BS and hypocrisy then.. | | Please donate BLOOD at http://www.monstersgame.co.uk/ac=vid&vid=11018554 Champion Of Kaz the Minotaur Knight of ALL Draconians. Squire Of ALL Constructs The number ONE fanatic Of Dread Guards ! I own 66 !!! And the GMR1 !!! 119 completed trades so far...NB called shot: Medusa | |
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Gristlemane Sergeant
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 | | 01/27/2006 7:56 PM |
| Bozak, the maximum dexterity bonus to AC can't be added. So with your example of a tower shield and breastplate, the maximum bonus would be 2. With any other shield it is 3.
As to the other topic being explored on this thread, I would just advise you to ignore people you feel are insulting you. Or respond with a [)] | | It's deja vu all over again. | |
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 Sir Bozak The Damned Commander
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 Québec
 | | 01/27/2006 8:15 PM |
| Thanks Gristlemane, I wish there were more people like you on here and less self-proclaimed experts that think they rule the world and crush those they feel inferior. Yes, that was a jab at many veterans that posted on this thread. You have an issue with me ? Email me personnaly if you have any "real" courage and not an entire mob waiting to lick your feet...
So, the answer was just that normal shields have no AC limit, just the Tower Shield...How hard was that to simply tell me and not treat treat me like crap ??? Many veterans here are self-worshippers and it disgusts me...
Also, the french book also has a "Mastery" of Two-Weapon Fighting requiring a BAB of 11, I am guessing it is the feat I was looking for. I guess I will wait to go check online instead of asking politely on a "Roleplaying" thread on a website devote to D&D... | | Please donate BLOOD at http://www.monstersgame.co.uk/ac=vid&vid=11018554 Champion Of Kaz the Minotaur Knight of ALL Draconians. Squire Of ALL Constructs The number ONE fanatic Of Dread Guards ! I own 66 !!! And the GMR1 !!! 119 completed trades so far...NB called shot: Medusa | |
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mordantos Underboss
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 | | 01/27/2006 8:16 PM |
| quote: Originally posted by Sir Bozak The Damned
Okay, so this idea of a "community" was complete BS and hypocrisy then..
No, what you are seeing is a community responding to your antics. Politely. But you:
quote: Originally posted by Sir Bozak The Damned "the ***** attitude" "you are just a bunch of **** !!!" "complete BS and hypocrisy"
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mordantos Underboss
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| quote: Originally posted by Sir Bozak The Damned
How hard was that to simply tell me
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 Sir Bozak The Damned Commander
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 Québec
 | | 01/27/2006 8:26 PM |
| | Fair enough...but the answers came with insults, so I would NOT take in the lesson if it came with such a price and my quotes were my honest reaction to the insults and humiliation those veterans directed towards me. I am nice to nice people and the opposite holds true... | | Please donate BLOOD at http://www.monstersgame.co.uk/ac=vid&vid=11018554 Champion Of Kaz the Minotaur Knight of ALL Draconians. Squire Of ALL Constructs The number ONE fanatic Of Dread Guards ! I own 66 !!! And the GMR1 !!! 119 completed trades so far...NB called shot: Medusa | |
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Monsoon28 Underboss
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 Toronto
 | | 01/27/2006 8:36 PM |
| Try not to take it personally, really dude chill.
It's just that Mex Dex Bonus is a essential and basic part of the game, and a fairly straight-forward rule at that. Maybe the problem is you have a French PHB and it isn't as simply stated as the english version? And trust me no one is saying anything other then if you read the rules for yourself you'll learn it a whole lot faster then on these boards. But if after reading them you still don't understand them by all means ask away.
Oh and Malin Lug was yanking your chain.
Lastly if you're having a hard time finding a feat or spell check out the consolidated lists from Wizards at: http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/arch/lists There are four list at this time for Feats, Spells, Prestige Classes, and a Core Class list, which includes Epics, core variants and racial substitutions.
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Monsoon28 Underboss
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| quote: Originally posted by Sir Bozak The Damned Also, the french book also has a "Mastery" of Two-Weapon Fighting requiring a BAB of 11, I am guessing it is the feat I was looking for. I guess I will wait to go check online instead of asking politely on a "Roleplaying" thread on a website devote to D&D...
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 Lab Monkey Commander
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 | | 01/27/2006 9:03 PM |
| quote: Originally posted by Sir Bozak The Damned
Fair enough...but the answers came with insults, so I would NOT take in the lesson if it came with such a price and my quotes were my honest reaction to the insults and humiliation those veterans directed towards me. I am nice to nice people and the opposite holds true...
Hi SBtD, I've read this thread through a few times now and I really don't see anything insulting in what jgsugden posted. It really would be a great idea for you to read through the rules a few times. You'd definitely eliminate the majority of these questions. I know I've pointed you to the SRD on several occasions as well (Blackguard PrC, etc). Here's the version that I like to use: http://srd.pbemnexus.com/home.html
Also, on a personal note, I really don't understand why you feel that many people here "hate" you. However, responding to people with a string of masked insults isn't going make you any friends. Try to relax a little, stop assuming that people here hate you, and I'm sure you'll enjoy hanging out here a whole lot more.
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 Sir Bozak The Damned Commander
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 Québec
 | | 01/27/2006 9:05 PM |
| Thanks Moonsoon, now that I saw the BAB needed, it will be easy to spot. Well, I used to just forego max DEX bonus, so these ARE new rules to me and I wanted to be sure armors and shield did not overlap...
I did not feel Malin Lug was "yanking my chain", I feel like he was verbally abusive to me and used the "gang bang" effect to insult me in a very unprofesionnal way. As to me relaxing, well, that might never happen when I feel someone is treating me like an idiot or assumes French people are stupid [}:)]
More and more, I see the French PH is full of errors and I cannot wait for one of my players to buy the English version for 40% less ( do not get me started on that...) and all my core books will be in english :) | | Please donate BLOOD at http://www.monstersgame.co.uk/ac=vid&vid=11018554 Champion Of Kaz the Minotaur Knight of ALL Draconians. Squire Of ALL Constructs The number ONE fanatic Of Dread Guards ! I own 66 !!! And the GMR1 !!! 119 completed trades so far...NB called shot: Medusa | |
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 Sir Bozak The Damned Commander
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 Québec
 | | 01/27/2006 9:11 PM |
| L M, I just read your post and see that, while it makes sense, you seem to tip towards the veterans like jgsugden posted, who lives by his reputation, I guess, to the detriment of newer members and my insults are not masked at all, or at least not meant to be.
As to the "hate" issue, I go overboard with that, but I am sure if I showed this thread to a neutral observer or my therapist, he/she would see the exclusion and insulting aspects in such replies. | | Please donate BLOOD at http://www.monstersgame.co.uk/ac=vid&vid=11018554 Champion Of Kaz the Minotaur Knight of ALL Draconians. Squire Of ALL Constructs The number ONE fanatic Of Dread Guards ! I own 66 !!! And the GMR1 !!! 119 completed trades so far...NB called shot: Medusa | |
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Thoth, Gatherer of Knowledge MerricB Underboss
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