TokyoBrit
Sneak
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| Quick question.
The Divine Metamagic Feat from Complete Divine allows a character to use turn undead attempts to apply a specific metamagic feat to a spell without increasing the level of the spell.
Therefore, using a combination of maximise spell and divine metamagic (maximise spell), a 5th level cleric can prepare a 13HP CLW as a 1st level spell rather than a 4th level spell by expending 3 turning attempts.
This of itself is a no-brainer, but what if the cleric casts that 1st level metamagic'd spell into a ring of spell storing? With a minor ring of spell storing, they could store 3 metamagic'd 13HP CLW spells.
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jai
Commander
3235 Posts
| | 02/02/2006 12:05 PM |
| | I would shy away from letting that happen. While the level increase is taken from turning attempts and not from spell levels, the effect spell level is still higher than a 1st level spell. Therefore i would say no, it wouldn't work. | | | |
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Malin Lug
Sergeant
742 Posts
| | 02/02/2006 12:12 PM |
| | I have to agree with Jai on this one. The level increase of the spell is there either way. It would be easier to use the spell Faith Healing instead. | |
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stonefro2000
Sergeant
465 Posts
| | 02/05/2006 3:12 AM |
| | as a house rule i wouldn't allow metamagic spells in rings of spell storeing. to me it's a bit of a sneaky way to get out of burring a higher level spell slot | |
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Malin Lug
Sergeant
742 Posts
| | 02/05/2006 11:47 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by stonefro2000
as a house rule i wouldn't allow metamagic spells in rings of spell storeing. to me it's a bit of a sneaky way to get out of burring a higher level spell slot
I could allow metamagic, but the spell would be considered the adjusted level. An empowered Cure Light Wounds would be considered a 3rd level spell (better to just use a cure serious wounds.)
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MerricB
Underboss
2353 Posts
Australia
| | 02/05/2006 5:21 PM |
| Spells in the ring of spell storing are cast as written in the PHB with no modifications; you can't trick one out with feats, higher caster level, etc.
A 9th level caster may put a magic missile into the ring, but it is cast as a 1st level caster from the ring.
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 02/05/2006 6:26 PM |
| The SRD states:
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Spell Storing, Minor
A minor ring of spell storing contains up to three levels of spells that the wearer can cast. Each spell has a caster level equal to the minimum level needed to cast that spell. The user need not provide any material components or focus, or pay an XP cost to cast the spell, and there is no arcane spell failure chance for wearing armor (because the ring wearer need not gesture). The activation time for the ring is same as the casting time for the relevant spell, with a minimum of 1 standard action.
For a randomly generated ring, treat it as a scroll to determine what spells are stored in it. If you roll a spell that would put the ring over the three-level limit, ignore that roll; the ring has no more spells in it. (Not every newly discovered ring need be fully charged.)
A spellcaster can cast any spells into the ring, so long as the total spell levels do not add up to more than three. Metamagic versions of spells take up storage space equal to their spell level modified by the metamagic feat. A spellcaster can use a scroll to put a spell into the minor ring of spell storing.
The ring magically imparts to the wearer the names of all spells currently stored within it.
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Accordingly, per the DMG/SRD, you may trick out the spells being dropped into the ring. There has been no errata to change this rule. These rules do not appear to envision the possibility that a metamagic feat might be applied to a spell without a level increase.
Accordingly, the rules do technically allow the application of the divine metamagic feat. However, this appears to me to violate the intent of the rings by allowing spells that are too powerful to be applied and stored in the rings. Accordingly, as a DM, I would house rule that divine metamagiced spells are treated as if the standard metamagic version of the spell were applied to the spell.
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EldritchSoul
Warrior
324 Posts
| | 02/05/2006 7:07 PM |
| | but the spell isn't being modified by the sudden feat, the feat is what's being modified. the spell would be cast from the cleric at the unmodified level, but be stored at the modified level. | |
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Bragi
Sneak
106 Posts
| | 02/06/2006 11:24 PM |
| | Keep in mind that the divine metamagic feat was errattaed so that you must choose a specific metamagic feat that you already have to apply to the feat. | |
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minatoman38
Underboss
1363 Posts
Minaniuonuma-shi, Japan
| | 02/07/2006 1:09 AM |
| So this means the divine metamagic feat can only be used in conjunction with one specific feat? For example it can only be used with maxmimize spell if that is the metamagic feat you tied it to.
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Originally posted by Bragi
Keep in mind that the divine metamagic feat was errattaed so that you must choose a specific metamagic feat that you already have to apply to the feat.
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Elucidus
Skirmisher
30 Posts
| | 02/07/2006 9:53 AM |
| | Right, I would either say it has to be counted as a higher level in the ring, or that the priest loses access to those undead turns until it is used. Though the later is worser solution. | |
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