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Corim Danex
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West Valley City, Utah
 | | 02/07/2006 10:18 PM |
| I am trying to figure out how to use the charts in the DMG to create a magic item--or to get a cost from an item not listed in DMG.
A standard ring of invisibility has market price of 20,000 gp.
Using the chart on pg 285, I don't really know where a regular ring of invisibility would fit. I guessed that it fits in Spell Effect: Use-activated or continuous.
On that line, the pricing would be:
Spell Level x Caster Level x 2000 gp x ??
?? footnote - If a continuous item has an effect based on a spell with a duration measured in rounds, multiply the cost by 4. If the durection of the spell is 1 minute/level, multiply the cost by 2, and if the duration is 10 minutes/level, multiply the cost by 1.5. If the spell has a 24-hour duration or greater, divide the cost in half.
For invisibility:
Spell level 2
Caster level 3
2000 gp
?? = 2
This means the cost would be:
2 x 3 x 2000 x 2 = 24,000 gp
The list price is 20,000 which is reasonable since it is a common magic item and the price has been lowered.
For greater invisibility
Spell level 4
Caster level 7
2000 gp
?? = 4
4 x 7 x 2000 x 4 = 224,000 gp
So, if I did this right, the market price is 224,000 gp. Did I do this right? | |
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maijstral
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| | 02/07/2006 10:39 PM |
| The math looks right to me.
If you think its too high just make it charges per day instead of continuous. A greater invis ring is pretty powerfull so 224,000 isn't an unreasonable price.
IMO 224,000 gp for a possibly game breaking magic item like a greater ring of inviibility is to low, but thats just an opinion. Its the right price using the formulas set out in the DMG. | | | |
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MerricB
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2353 Posts
Australia
| | 02/07/2006 10:55 PM |
| The Ring of Invisibility is intentionally expensive because it is potentially gamebreaking.
A Ring of Greater Invisibility is an epic-level item.
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Master Peon
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| | 02/08/2006 12:09 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by MerricB
The Ring of Invisibility is intentionally expensive because it is potentially gamebreaking.
A Ring of Greater Invisibility is an epic-level item.
Cheers!
Yes, I would agree, this would be epic indeed | |
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MerricB
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| | 02/08/2006 12:12 AM |
| You're looking at 10,000,000+ gp easily for a ring of greater invisibility.
An item that has uses per day is far more balanced and reasonable.
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zenthrus
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SLC, UT
| | 02/08/2006 12:52 AM |
| | A ring of greater invisibility would just be plain silly. I'd keep the cost over half a million gold at the minimum (probably wouldn't allow it into a campaign I was running at all). Greater Invisibility when used properly is already extremely potent. Giving it as a wearable item to anyone who comes along....too much. | |
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Corim Danex
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| | 02/08/2006 1:06 AM |
| | I don't intend for it to be used or to use it. I was more curious about figuring out how much it would cost, since it really would be a ridiculously powerful item, no matter which character had it. | |
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Master Peon
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| | 02/08/2006 9:16 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Corim Danex
I don't intend for it to be used or to use it. I was more curious about figuring out how much it would cost, since it really would be a ridiculously powerful item, no matter which character had it.
I was wondering if it was for our dragonlance monk. I seem to remember him asking what the cost would be. [:P] | |
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reezel
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| | 02/08/2006 11:03 AM |
| | I would like to point out, in case others had missed it, cause I know my group has for years, but a ring of invisibility is not a continuous item. It's use-activated and then only lasts as long as the spell lasts. | |
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| | 02/08/2006 12:43 PM |
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Originally posted by reezel
I would like to point out, in case others had missed it, cause I know my group has for years, but a ring of invisibility is not a continuous item. It's use-activated and then only lasts as long as the spell lasts.
I also noticed that the 3.0 verion is differnet then the 3.5 version (length of time) | |
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IanB
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| | 02/08/2006 12:51 PM |
| | I don't think there's a pricing difference between a constant item and a use-activated item with unlimited uses, is there? | |
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jgsugden
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| | 02/08/2006 2:12 PM |
| Devil's Advocate: One thing to consider here: opportunity cost.
Hyptothetical: I'm a 14th level rogue. I decide that the 'greater invisible' lifestyle is a great option for me. What are my options?
1) Wand of Greater Invisible: 21,000 for caster level 7, or 3K per caster level for higher caster levels. I have to UMD the wand to get it to work (or have a hireling/cohort/henchman do it), but if I'd rather give up actions (or gamble that an underling will be living long enough to use the wand on me when I need it), it is dirt cheap for the effect.
2) Leadership: 1 feat gets me a nearly limitless supply of greater invisibility spells from my cohort sorcerer. In addition, I'll get the benefit of all my cohort's other spells.
3) Hire a spellcaster: Clearly not an option in every campaign world, but if you're playing in a high power world like the Forgotten Realms, it just might be a posibility. 320 - 360 GP per casting (DMG formula for a 7th level wizard or 8th level sorcerer casting it) plus an additional amount for adventuring 'hazard' pay? | |
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Malin Lug
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| | 02/08/2006 5:35 PM |
| I remember our old AD&D group, there was a short sword that gave the ability of Greater Invisibility whenever it was in it's sheath. If I remember right, it was a minor Artifact found in the "Against the Slavelords" modules. I could see a ring in 3.5 that confirmed Greater Invisibilty as a continuous effect would be considered a minor artifact.
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zenthrus
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SLC, UT
| | 02/08/2006 11:59 PM |
| Going strictly by the DMG guidelines a Ring of Greater Invisibility would cost:
Spell level = 4
Min. Caster Level = 7
Continuous/use activated = x2000gp
Spell is measured in rounds = x4
16 x 7 x 2000 = 448,000 gold pieces.
Just under half a million gold for constant invisibility that doesn't go away when you attack. You'd still be susceptible to Dispel Magic and Antimagic Fields. You'd have to take the ring off and put it back on = standard action that doesn't provoke an attack of opportunity to reactivate it.
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Malin Lug
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| | 02/09/2006 1:36 AM |
| And the ring would be worthless against alot of higher level opponents like most of the more powerful demons and devils (true seeing.) Heck, a bunch of Kuo-Toa whips could rock your world.
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Corim Danex
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West Valley City, Utah
| | 02/09/2006 3:11 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by zenthrus
16 x 7 x 2000 = 448,000 gold pieces.
Actually,
16 x 7 x 2000 = 224,000 | |
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Darastrix Maekrix
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| | 02/09/2006 4:07 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by spikegif
quote:
Originally posted by Corim Danex
I don't intend for it to be used or to use it. I was more curious about figuring out how much it would cost, since it really would be a ridiculously powerful item, no matter which character had it.
I was wondering if it was for our dragonlance monk. I seem to remember him asking what the cost would be. [:P]
If I were going for broken cheese, I'd rather put this kind of item on a rogue, an archer, or something similar. The monk wouldn't gain as much as the others would (unless the monk has rogue levels). There's a price to pay for being melee -- you get hit. [)] | |
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Darastrix Maekrix
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| | 02/09/2006 4:09 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by zenthrus
Going strictly by the DMG guidelines a Ring of Greater Invisibility would cost:
Spell level = 4
Min. Caster Level = 7
Continuous/use activated = x2000gp
Spell is measured in rounds = x4
16 x 7 x 2000 = 448,000 gold pieces.
Just under half a million gold for constant invisibility that doesn't go away when you attack. You'd still be susceptible to Dispel Magic and Antimagic Fields. You'd have to take the ring off and put it back on = standard action that doesn't provoke an attack of opportunity to reactivate it.
For that price, I think it would be safe to say you could renew the invisibility as a free action (mental command). The level of character purchasing/making such a thing won't be silly enough to program it with the "remove-to-reset" problem. | |
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Darastrix Maekrix
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| | 02/09/2006 4:12 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Malin Lug
I remember our old AD&D group, there was a short sword that gave the ability of Greater Invisibility whenever it was in it's sheath. If I remember right, it was a minor Artifact found in the "Against the Slavelords" modules. I could see a ring in 3.5 that confirmed Greater Invisibilty as a continuous effect would be considered a minor artifact.
I definitely agree with this assessment, more than simply saying "it's epic only." Putting the "broken" aspects aside, a campaign designed for such an item could easily deal with the pitfalls and annoyances such an item would bring to the game -- and it would only work for one user.
However, an item like this that was good 1 to 3 times per day for a minute or so (pick the time based on your game) wouldn't be too terribly game-breaking. The character would have to pick the times to activate his invisibility like a barbarian chooses when to rage: when it's most needed. | |
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