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Count Dooku
Commander
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 | | 02/16/2006 11:28 PM |
| I dont have my books on hand so I'll just ask real quick.
How is Spell Resistance used against magic items.
If a firball from a Neclace of Missles is used agains a monster with an SR...what is the Caster level? Is the the level required to create the item? | |
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Fry
Underboss
1724 Posts
| | 02/16/2006 11:48 PM |
| | I think most items list a CL right in the description, don't they? | |
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Wayne
Underboss
1371 Posts
| | 02/17/2006 1:04 AM |
| The Caster Level listed in the description is the Caster Level needed to create the item, not (necessarily) the Caster Level at which spells and effects from the item function.
Unless otherwise specifically called out, the CL for spells and effects from items is the minimum CL at which the spell or effect can be cast. | |
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 02/17/2006 3:25 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Wayne
The Caster Level listed in the description is the Caster Level needed to create the item, not (necessarily) the Caster Level at which spells and effects from the item function.
Unless otherwise specifically called out, the CL for spells and effects from items is the minimum CL at which the spell or effect can be cast.
This is not true for 3.5 D&D according to page 215 of the 3.5 DMG. The DMG states that the caster level listed in a magic item description (following the aura description) indicates the relative power of the item for saving throw bonus determination, level-dependent aspects of the power of the item, and the level for purposes of contending with dispel magics. It does not explicitly state that it is used for SR determiniations, but that would fall under the umbrealla of 'level-dependent aspects of the power of the item'. In other words, it is the effective caster level for the item for purposes of SR.
In 3.5, the standard caster level for this item is listed as 10, so the SR check would be d20+10 for a standard version of the item.
Also note that page 215 of the 3.5 DMG states that the caster level presentation and the prerequisites presentation are two independent presentations of information: the caster level is not a prerequisite for item creation (generally). | |
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Wayne
Underboss
1371 Posts
| | 02/17/2006 4:58 AM |
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Originally posted by jgsugden
[A bunch of correct stuff.]
Dunno what I was thinking, except that I was keeping in mind potions, scrolls, wands, and staffs, all of which break the general rule. (That is, potions, scrolls, and wands use the CL at which they're created (which is the minimum needed to cast the prerequisite spell, unless specified otherwise), and staffs use the CL of the wielder.)
So a wand of fireball that tosses 10-die fireballs would go throush SR as a 10th-level caster. And a staff of charming (CL 8th) wielded by a 15th-level caster would use charm person at 15th level for most purposes, including SR. (The staff of charming itself, however, would resist a targeted dispel magic with its CL of 8th.) | |
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