Mushroom King
Thor
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 | | 02/25/2006 7:18 PM |
| I was looking at the cantrip "Inflict Minor Wounds".
Am I missing an obvious use for this spell??? Only a single point of damage??? and the Wizard has to tie up a spell slot??? Why bother?? Won't a simple slap or girly kick do 1 pt. of damage or more???
Nobody ever selects this spell. How (or why) can I sell it??
Spell seems worse then useless. Why take up the slot??
Help me understand..... GRIN | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5132 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 02/25/2006 7:27 PM |
| Great fun in taverns...it's like an extra hard slap to the waitress' bottom [:o]
One use for inflict minor is when a villainous cleric runs out of combat spells he has a last ditch effort to do something (spont cast IMW instead of Detect Magic).
Another use would be coming across sealed doors in a dungeon that can only be opened by channeling negative energy. Why waste a rebuke undead/higher level spell when IMW works just as well?
If you were going to try and sell it you could always set up as a shady lawyer who "creates" bruises on his clients to create cases of battery...
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Mushroom King
Thor
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| | 02/25/2006 7:44 PM |
| But wouldn't a punch do 1d4 + any STR mod.????
Why "touch" for only one point??? Why cast this ever???
Can it ignore Damage Resistance or other defenses???
Can IMW be added to a punch????? That would be semi-useful.
Waitress' butts....hmmmm??? Great role playing but still a bad spell to pick.... If I understand it right.
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zenthrus
Warlord
5132 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 02/25/2006 8:06 PM |
| A punch deals 1d3 + STR (nonlethal). You'd likely just knock out your clients. If you're wearing gauntlets you'll likely kill most commoners. 1 point of real damage makes for a more convincing plea to the magistrate. [}:)]
Spells, spell-like abilities, and energy damage bypass Damage Reduction. Suppose you are facing a werewolf and no one in your party is wielding silver weapons. It's down to just a couple of HP but your fighters can't quite beat the DR to kill it. Walk up, touch it a couple of times and voila: dead.
99% of the time it is essentially worthless to select. Evil clerics (or neutral negative energy channelers) can spontaneously cast it so it's somewhat less useless for them (it's available that 1% of the time). | |
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Mushroom King
Thor
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| | 02/25/2006 8:14 PM |
| Would the target know who hurt him???
I'm pictureing guards tying up this Cleric and taking several attacks as they man-handle him.....This right???
Can this sort of attack be added to a punch attack????
I know this sort of stuff is in the rules.....But they are all the way in the other room. Much easier to ask people in other countries.... GRIN
Any other great uses for this dumb spell?????
Thanks Guys this was bugging me. I at least have some ideas.... | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5132 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 02/25/2006 8:35 PM |
| Touch spells can be delivered via an attack. If the attack misses the spell misses. This may be restriced to specific spells but I know Chill Touch/Shocking Grasp can be delivered via punches.
A spellcaster being manhandled isn't likely to cast spells with somantic components (I'm also too lazy to go look up and see if IMW has somantic components).
If you cast it stilled and silent the target wouldn't know who got them [:O]
I suppose it would be entirely situational if you could get away with casting it without the target noticing that you did it. In a large, dense crowd it's possible to be struck without knowing exactly who did it.... | |
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Mushroom King
Thor
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| | 02/25/2006 8:38 PM |
| Cool, So it can be used with a punch???
Cool that makes the Clerics "Bitch-Slap of Rightous Anger" much better, in effect a +1 attack.... | |
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maijstral
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| | 02/25/2006 9:39 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by zenthrus
A spellcaster being manhandled isn't likely to cast spells with somantic components (I'm also too lazy to go look up and see if IMW has somantic components).
yep Inflict has a somatic component.
Before you go hitting on the waitress make sure she isn't an acolyte or something imagine the embarrassment of being knocked off your feet by the waitress's 'empowered slap'.[}:)]
As for using it in a punch, by the rules that would be an unarmed attack and unless you have the proper class ability or feat you will provoke an AOO but a touch attack is concidered an armed attack so no AOO. So theoretically you would provoke an AOO for casting the spell then another one for attempting the punch all for 1 point of damage + the 1d3+str subdual.[B)]
I'm sure someone out there has thought of a good use of Inflict minor, but I tend to forget I even have 0 level spells.
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Mushroom King
Thor
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1938 Posts
| | 02/25/2006 9:55 PM |
| "I tend to forget I have 0 level spells....*
Yea, That's what I'm trying to fix or something...
Note: Is it possable to trigger TWO Attack of O's from the same lame move??? Would the Orc get TWO AOO??? I thought only one. No matter how many dumb actions you made??? | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5132 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 02/25/2006 10:46 PM |
| You'd provoke two AoO. Of course the orc would have to have Combat Reflexes to take advantage of the second opportunity which isn't all that likely.
I remember why I thought it was a good idea to deliver touch spells via an attack. I was playing a Wizard/Monk so the attacks didn't provoke attacks of opportunity and my concentration bonus was high enough to just cast defensively. Again not looking it up I'm about 99% certain you can "hold the charge" on touch attack spells (cast them then discharge them later as long as you don't cast any other spells in the interim).
A Cleric with Improved Unarmed Strike could definitely deal out the righteous pimp slap o' doom [:D]
Cantrips aren't supposed to be terribly useful [:P] | |
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| | 02/26/2006 1:10 AM |
| | It could be usefull for patching up your undead familar.[:)] | |
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Mushroom King
Thor
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1938 Posts
| | 02/26/2006 10:59 AM |
| As a player once said... "Zero aien't no hero..."
It is a cantrip (0) after all.. | |
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wildmage
Sneak
123 Posts
| | 02/26/2006 1:10 PM |
| Consider that Cure minor wounds is actually a great 0th level spell in that it automatically stabilizes a dying character.
While vastly more situational, for an undead character or a character who has taken the Tomb-Tainted Soul feat, Inflict Minor Wounds will have the same effect since these characters are healed by negative energy. Actually I'm not sure, are undead characters ever in the "dying" state and can be stabilized, or are they simply destroyed upon reaching 0 HP? | |
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Malin Lug
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| | 02/26/2006 1:24 PM |
| Yes... it is almost useless. It is a 0 level spell. What do you expect form it? Most of the 0 level spells are pretty much useless beyond you get beyond second level, except for roleplay. Our wizard is a huge fan of Prestidigation (it is the most important spell in the game after crawling through a Dungeon and you need to get clean.)
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IHawk
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| | 02/26/2006 3:56 PM |
| Imagine a cleric / rogue of olimidara touch attacking
with a oth level spell for 1+5d6 points of damage, I
think that could be considered a pretty useful spell!
It could also be very easy to "unstablize" an unconcious
foe who you really don't want answering questions. It isn't
paladinlike, but how many paladins are using inflicts.
Not saying it is awesome or anything...
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driordan
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| | 02/26/2006 5:34 PM |
| | Consider using it as part of an interrogation or torture routine for the bad guys. Sure, it doesn't do as much damage as a punch or a kick, but the fact that it's 'negative energy' that's damaging the subject is somehow more ominous. | |
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Jeb McDonald
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| | 02/26/2006 9:13 PM |
| Depending on your cleric, you can--after a battle is over--go "tend" to the wounds of those who went to negative hit points and who stabilized. Sometimes a Cause Minor Wounds is just enough to get the enemy slipping off towards -10.....
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Malin Lug
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| | 02/26/2006 9:24 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by driordan
Consider using it as part of an interrogation or torture routine for the bad guys. Sure, it doesn't do as much damage as a punch or a kick, but the fact that it's 'negative energy' that's damaging the subject is somehow more ominous.
Acutally in the Evil FR game that we were playing, my Red Wizard carried a small torture chamber in his Haversack. No need to resort to spells for a light session of questioning. | |
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Thenameless
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The Fortress of Solitude
| | 02/26/2006 10:25 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Malin Lug
quote:
Originally posted by driordan
Consider using it as part of an interrogation or torture routine for the bad guys. Sure, it doesn't do as much damage as a punch or a kick, but the fact that it's 'negative energy' that's damaging the subject is somehow more ominous.
Acutally in the Evil FR game that we were playing, my Red Wizard carried a small torture chamber in his Haversack. No need to resort to spells for a light session of questioning.
Funny. I was also in an evil FR campaign about a year ago. We had a Red Wizard in our party as well, but it was our assassin that did the torturing. The guy playing him seemed to be too good at it and enjoying it too much... | |
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Nixlord
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2468 Posts
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| | 02/27/2006 4:45 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Thor
I was looking at the cantrip "Inflict Minor Wounds".
Am I missing an obvious use for this spell??? Only a single point of damage??? and the Wizard has to tie up a spell slot??? Why bother?? Won't a simple slap or girly kick do 1 pt. of damage or more???
Nobody ever selects this spell. How (or why) can I sell it??
Spell seems worse then useless. Why take up the slot??
Help me understand..... GRIN
In my house rules, I solved it by changing cure/inflict minor wounds to heal/deal 1d3 hp instead of just 1.
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Agent Oracle
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19 Posts
| | 02/28/2006 9:30 PM |
| | 0th level spells are "actions of last resort" after the player has run out of all other spells. If a player is down to his "CMW/IMW" he is pretty well boned. Now, comparitively, a PALADIN gets select 0th level clerical spells as his 1st level spells. THAT is a weak spell. | |
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