The Arcane Archer<br>Level    BAB    Fort    Ref    Will    Special            Spells per Day<br>1st    +1    +2    +2    +0    Enhance arrow +1    -<br>2nd    +2    +3    +3    +0    Imbue arrow        +1 level of existing class<br>3rd    +3    +3    +3    +1    Enhance arrow +2    -<br>4th    +4    +4    +4    +1    Seeker arrow        +1 level of existing class<br>5th    +5    +4    +4    +1    Enhance arrow +3    -<br>6th    +6    +5    +5    +2    Phase arrow        +1 level of existing class<br>7th    +7    +5    +5    +2    Enhance arrow +4    -<br>8th    +8    +6    +6    +2    Hail of arrows        +1 level of existing class<br>9th    +9    +6    +6    +3    Enhance arrow +5    -<br>10th    +10    +7    +7    +3    arrow of death        +1 level of existing class

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Originally posted by Sir Bozak The Damned

That would be overpowering it, since the class already gives you the full Fighter BAB and saves and you retain your spells. It would fit in more with the class to have medium BAB and what you are suggesting. But that might be just me...

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• The Arcane Trickster, with poor bab, 2 good saves, and usefull special abilities at each level, gets full spell progression.


• The Eldritch Knight, with good bab, one good save, and nearly full spell progression.


• The Spell Sword (CompWar), with good bab, 2 good saves, good special abilities that improve with level, and full spell progression

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Originally posted by maijstral

Instead of adding a +1 caster level,which would allow the Archer to cast more and higher level spells as well as its Arcane Archer abilities, you could have a spell list to choose from.

You could make up a spell list for the arcane archer by level and every level he can pick one to add to his spell list but only for the purpose of imbueing arrows. This would also eliminate the need for a lot of spellcasting levels. The spell list would increase in power as you gain Archer levels i.e. a 1st and 2nd level archer picks from the level one arcane archer list,2 & 3d level picks from level 2 or lower and so forth.

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Originally posted by driordan

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Originally posted by maijstral

Instead of adding a +1 caster level,which would allow the Archer to cast more and higher level spells as well as its Arcane Archer abilities, you could have a spell list to choose from.

You could make up a spell list for the arcane archer by level and every level he can pick one to add to his spell list but only for the purpose of imbueing arrows. This would also eliminate the need for a lot of spellcasting levels. The spell list would increase in power as you gain Archer levels i.e. a 1st and 2nd level archer picks from the level one arcane archer list,2 & 3d level picks from level 2 or lower and so forth.

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I'm not 100% sure that I follow what you're saying, but whatever it is it sounds complicated.

Can you point to a PRC that already does what you're proposing so that maybe I can understand it a little better?

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Originally posted by Sir Bozak The Damned

I still say, Full BAB, 2 out of 3 good saves and special abilities make it as strong as a prestige Fighter class with no extra feats. The new spells are a good idea that many mentionned. If the Spell Sword is as strong as you say, then I would agree about the spell progression you propose, that would seem to make the two equal ( also no access to anything here at work but the PH,DM,MM1 and OA 3.0 )...

Overall, my feeling about the class remains that it seems too focused on melee for an ex-spellcaster and giving it partial or new spells and reducing his BAB are necessary to make it a sensible PrC. Then again, look at a CE Cleric, Monk with high stats or a Paladin and they all seem overpowered to me.

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Originally posted by Sir Bozak The Damned

Simply put, having "Arcane" in the name and have no Arcane spells makes this class weird. It does look fun to play though, but I still think the switch from magic to straight range melee is too drastic.

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