MackeyJ
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| | Are a Chimeras young born or hatched? | |
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madda
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Can of the Cave Beer
Commander
2838 Posts
| | 03/11/2006 3:28 PM |
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Originally posted by MackeyJ
Are a Chimeras young born or hatched?
I would wager, that given the dominance of mammalian traits, that Chimera young are born--IF they can reproduce naturally.
Natural reproduction seems "iffy" to me. With the possibility of five different Dragon heads, there are effectively 5 different species which should not be able to reproduce (as Dragons, to my knowledge, are unable to interbreed).
Chimera breeding just doesn't seem right to me.
(edit: Of course, I could be wrong...[v]*looks at previous post*) | |
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True_Blue
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2386 Posts
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| | hmm it does seem to make more sense if they were constantly made by mad wizards, etc. But, for some reason, I hate it if a certain monster, race, etc cant breed. I like to know there can always be more made the "natural" way for some reason. I wonder what would happen if two chimeras with different colored dragon heads got together. Would one just be chosen? Interesting. | |
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maijstral
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2105 Posts
| | 03/11/2006 5:04 PM |
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Originally posted by True_Blue
hmm it does seem to make more sense if they were constantly made by mad wizards, etc. But, for some reason, I hate it if a certain monster, race, etc cant breed. I like to know there can always be more made the "natural" way for some reason. I wonder what would happen if two chimeras with different colored dragon heads got together. Would one just be chosen? Interesting.
could be like cats, one could have a dominate gene and the other a ressesive that might show up a few generations down the line. Or given mulitiple births there could be one or more of each type in a litter. | | | |
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jgsugden
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This is the kind of detail that DMs should feel free to change to suit their needs. Heck, in one of my games, I made *all* creatures have eggs (humans included) to suit a story I wanted to tell. | |
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MackeyJ
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1414 Posts
| | 03/11/2006 5:35 PM |
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Originally posted by jgsugden
This is the kind of detail that DMs should feel free to change to suit their needs. Heck, in one of my games, I made *all* creatures have eggs (humans included) to suit a story I wanted to tell.
There are several people that I can think of right now that I suspect were hatched from eggs [:D]
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Grim
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482 Posts
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| | I hope they are born hornless. Ouch! | |
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True_Blue
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2386 Posts
| | 03/11/2006 8:22 PM |
| | haha I've never went that extreme. Everyone born from eggs? Interesting heh. I realize its not hard for a DM to come up with a way. But for some reason I like it when there's some kind of official source, even if there are several and they are different. Its nice to see different ppls takes on the same thing, and choose what is your favorite..and even modify. | |
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Luisjoey
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| | 03/11/2006 11:45 PM |
| Well chimaeras are magical beast don´t they? this make them be possibly magicreated with some spell or something...
I like the breed idea, and could be funny to see which heads the puppy would have... look he has his mother eyes!!! (basilisk [:D] bad joke) | |
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dagonet
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442 Posts
| | 03/12/2006 12:21 PM |
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Originally posted by A Can of the Cave Beer
With the possibility of five different Dragon heads, there are effectively 5 different species which should not be able to reproduce (as Dragons, to my knowledge, are unable to interbreed).
Is it canonical (for 3.5 edition) that Dragons of different species can't interbreed? It would be kind of ironic if our scaly friends were able to produce offspring with pretty much anything *but* Dragons of a different color/metal/gem.
I *love* sig, by the way. It explains a great deal about events in B5. . . [:D] | |
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Agent Oracle
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| | 03/12/2006 12:57 PM |
| The other side of the coin is that any creature can be used for the middle head of a chimera (according to the template in MMII), BUT, the rear half of the chimera is allways that of a goat, which would (potentially) include their reproductive organs. now, i'm all for reproductive such-and-such being randomized by magic, but it does pose some frightening questions:
#1 Would a wizard creating a chimera bother to check if he was using a male or female black goat? Since female goats don't have horns...
#2 Would we wind up with a disparative number of male chimeras?
#3 would that lead to male-chimera-on-goat interspecies attraction?
#4 how does the dragon head feel about this?
Of course, Back in the days of 2nd edition i had a player who wanted to buy a dragon so much that I gave him a half-breed dragon whelp, where it was half mercury dragon, half crystal dragon. It had comically large wings which it would probably never grow into, a shiny but crysteline scales, and it's breath weapon was a cloud of semi-explosive gas that did nearly no damage. The thing was a bundle of recessive traits in a bad way... but that didn't mater, i think that player cared more for that dragon whelp than he ever did for any other thing in the game. | |
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Ridureyu
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| | 03/12/2006 5:26 PM |
| | Don't some female goats have horns in some species? | |
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LargeMarmot
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463 Posts
| | 03/13/2006 12:49 AM |
| | I've never actually thought about it. All I know is either way I don't wanna see one born in game. That's a mental image I do not need, although having a misson as a monster's midwife would be an interesting one for a druid. | |
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Can of the Cave Beer
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2838 Posts
| | 03/13/2006 1:42 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by dagonet
Is it canonical (for 3.5 edition) that Dragons of different species can't interbreed? It would be kind of ironic if our scaly friends were able to produce offspring with pretty much anything *but* Dragons of a different color/metal/gem.
I *love* sig, by the way. It explains a great deal about events in B5. . . [:D]
Not specifically that I'm aware of. I figured that Half-Dragons were the result of polymorphed individuals. Keep in mind, though, that I only have the three core books, plus the Miniatures Handbook and Weapons of Legacy. My library is somewhat, ahh, limited.
But, it makes no sense to my mind to have a Red mate with a Green and get a whatever dragon. My mind tells me that Red+Green=Brown and I've never heard of a Brown Dragon.
Sure, it makes zero sense trying logically puzzle out the mechanics of certain aspects of D&D, but I can't help it.
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Gristlemane
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623 Posts
| | 03/13/2006 2:31 AM |
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Originally posted by A Can of the Cave Beer
But, it makes no sense to my mind to have a Red mate with a Green and get a whatever dragon. My mind tells me that Red+Green=Brown and I've never heard of a Brown Dragon.
Ask and ye shall receive.
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devasque
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| | 03/13/2006 1:57 PM |
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Originally posted by A Can of the Cave Beer
But, it makes no sense to my mind to have a Red mate with a Green and get a whatever dragon. My mind tells me that Red+Green=Brown and I've never heard of a Brown Dragon.
Ask and ye shall receive.
Works ok for some but not all. Some comical colors when throwing in white or black to a mix. Red+White=Pink, Black+White=Gray... | |
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dagonet
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442 Posts
| | 03/13/2006 3:12 PM |
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Originally posted by A Can of the Cave Beer
But, it makes no sense to my mind to have a Red mate with a Green and get a whatever dragon. My mind tells me that Red+Green=Brown and I've never heard of a Brown Dragon.
Actually, Brown Dragons were one of the main Dragon types from Second Edition--I believe their breath weapon was a cone of energy
which rotted flesh, though I may be confusing it with the Jade Dragon. . .
The Slayer's Guide to Dragons (yeah, yeah, I know it's third-party) has fairly reasonable rules for chromatic crossbreed combinations:
Black+Red=Maroon.
Black+Blue=Indigo.
Black+Green=Verdigris.
Black+White=Grey.
Red+Blue=Purple (this one dates back to 1st edition (updated in that Best of Dragon Compendium)--it breathed a line of force, I believe).
Red+Green=Russet.
Red+White=Pink (though I think Rose is a bit more dignified).
Blue+Green=Aquamarine.
Blue+White=Azure. | |
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LargeMarmot
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| | 03/13/2006 3:39 PM |
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Originally posted by dagonet
quote:
Originally posted by A Can of the Cave Beer
But, it makes no sense to my mind to have a Red mate with a Green and get a whatever dragon. My mind tells me that Red+Green=Brown and I've never heard of a Brown Dragon.
Actually, Brown Dragons were one of the main Dragon types from Second Edition--I believe their breath weapon was a cone of energy
which rotted flesh, though I may be confusing it with the Jade Dragon. . .
The Slayer's Guide to Dragons (yeah, yeah, I know it's third-party) has fairly reasonable rules for chromatic crossbreed combinations:
Black+Red=Maroon.
Black+Blue=Indigo.
Black+Green=Verdigris.
Black+White=Grey.
Red+Blue=Purple (this one dates back to 1st edition (updated in that Best of Dragon Compendium)--it breathed a line of force, I believe).
Red+Green=Russet.
Red+White=Pink (though I think Rose is a bit more dignified).
Blue+Green=Aquamarine.
Blue+White=Azure.
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Can of the Cave Beer
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2838 Posts
| | 03/14/2006 12:00 AM |
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Originally posted by dagonet
Black+Red=Maroon.
Black+Blue=Indigo.
Black+Green=Verdigris.
Black+White=Grey.
Red+Blue=Purple (this one dates back to 1st edition (updated in that Best of Dragon Compendium)--it breathed a line of force, I believe).
Red+Green=Russet.
Red+White=Pink (though I think Rose is a bit more dignified).
Blue+Green=Aquamarine.
Blue+White=Azure.
E-GADS! Make it Stop! MAKE it St0-OP!! For the love of all that's multisided, please make it stop!
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That is the exact reason why I'm no fan of mixed Dragons. What's next? Blue-Silver crossing for a Sterling Dragon? Gold-Green for an Electroplated Dragon? *shudder*
I'm probably going to get a lot of flack for this, but there are TOO MANY DRAGONS as it is without introducing cross-breeding into it.
This is why I personally propose the following:
Chimera are experiments of Tiamat's that escaped onto the Prime Material Plane. Their lifespans are essentially that of Dragons, but they have fundamental flaws in personality and temperment that prevent them from achieving the status, intelligence and grace that a Dragon would achieve. Chimera are unable to reproduce on their own, but some are known to seek the services of capable wizards and enter into deals in order to have a "family" created for them.
Those young start off life in clutches of 2-5 eggs which will hatch when cared for properly (the magics necessary to create the egg will sustain it for D3 years in all but the most abusive/torturous conditions). The typical incubation time for a well cared for egg is around 45 days. If it were any longer than that, the parent Chimera would become bored with its new family and either eat or abandon it.
Once hatched, the young posess most of the characteristics you would expect--wyrmling level breath weapon, etc. and are dependant on the adult for most of the next 4 years. During that time, the parent imparts as much knowledge and as many skills as it can to the offspring. Once a Chimera offspring reaches approximately four years if age, it has worn out the tolerance of its parent and is "encouraged" to leave the lair. If it does not leave voluntarily, the parent will attempt to kill it.
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Agent Oracle
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19 Posts
| | 03/14/2006 7:24 AM |
| Male and female goat. 
The male has prominent horns, but the female is without them. The male needs the horns for challenging other males and impressing females.
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LargeMarmot
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463 Posts
| | 03/15/2006 3:12 PM |
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Originally posted by Agent Oracle
Male and female goat.
The male has prominent horns, but the female is without them. The male needs the horns for challenging other males and impressing females.
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orcmonk220
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1608 Posts
| | 03/15/2006 4:08 PM |
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Originally posted by LargeMarmot
quote:
Originally posted by Agent Oracle
Male and female goat.
The male has prominent horns, but the female is without them. The male needs the horns for challenging other males and impressing females.
Indeed.... Wha?
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True_Blue
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2386 Posts
| | 03/15/2006 9:19 PM |
| | lol I like how we just got goat pictures added into the thread. Its nice to scroll down and see some pics of goats heh. | |
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LargeMarmot
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463 Posts
| | 03/16/2006 10:43 PM |
| | I'm waiting for the rants about the govt. made half-goats half-spiders. | |
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