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03/27/2006 7:26 AM  
Here are the names so far, lets start voting. Im also going to post this in general and let everyone who wants to vote come in and vote since this is for the whole community. If there is a name you would like to put into voting just post it and ill update the list with that name.For easier tracking please just pick one and when you post just post the name you would like to vote for or the name you would like to add.

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03/27/2006 7:27 AM  
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03/27/2006 7:38 AM  
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03/27/2006 9:54 AM  
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03/27/2006 10:33 AM  
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03/27/2006 10:55 AM  
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03/27/2006 10:58 AM  
None of the above.

Speaking as a writer, names a very hard and very, very important. The name should come last and should evoke the flavour and uniqueness of the setting. Locking into a name now is a very bad idea.

As such I vote the name should be "TBD" until everything else is done.

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03/27/2006 11:53 AM  
While having a name with maxminis might be cool, I prefer a more epic name.

I vote for Argenis.

The remainder of ther names and any others people submit on the name thread we can use for continents cultures, etc. Like if Argenis doesn't win, we could use it for the realm of Argenis and call the people Argenisians, for example.

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03/27/2006 12:18 PM  
The name should say something about the content. So why not discuss what this world will be about first to find a proper name?

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03/27/2006 12:25 PM  
The name we decide now should be subject to change, once we flesh out the world's cultures.

But we need a working name to get it going. We won't know what the world's about until we work it out through endless discussion and voting.

Maybe we'll revote on the name later?

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03/27/2006 12:55 PM  
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03/27/2006 2:27 PM  
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03/27/2006 3:54 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by Sulaco

None of the above.

Speaking as a writer, names a very hard and very, very important. The name should come last and should evoke the flavour and uniqueness of the setting. Locking into a name now is a very bad idea.

As such I vote the name should be "TBD" until everything else is done.



I second this... Could go into another essay a to why but a name is like the packaging and you don't want to call it a blender when it toasts bread.

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03/27/2006 3:55 PM  
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03/27/2006 4:11 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by brazenwood

While having a name with maxminis might be cool, I prefer a more epic name.

I vote for Argenis.





I concur. Very cool and epic sounding. I like it. Argenis gets my vote

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03/27/2006 4:51 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by Sulaco
The name should come last and should evoke the flavour and uniqueness of the setting.


Why does making it come last do anything to evoke flavour? Greyhawk, Eberron, and Forgotten Realms only evoke meanings because of the rich campaign setting that they are named for. The setting/world can be named now just fine, and then have the rest of the world/campaign setting fleshed out such that whatever name that is chosen will then evoke rich flavor and uniqueness.

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03/27/2006 4:52 PM  
I agree with reasons stated by brazenwood and Ghendar for voting for Argenis.

I vote for Argenis.

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03/27/2006 5:04 PM  
I vote for Azuron.

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03/27/2006 5:08 PM  
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Why does making it come last do anything to evoke flavour? Greyhawk, Eberron, and Forgotten Realms only evoke meanings because of the rich campaign setting that they are named for.


Precisely. Question asked, question answered.

Names are very difficult and very important. Writers often spend ages agonizing over just the right name, and such a name can make or break a piece. Would the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy have worked if the protagonist had been named Slasher MacIronballs rather then Arthur Dent? Would Darth Vader have held the same menace if he'd been named Blacky von Blakenstein?

Naming a thing before knowing what that thing even is is just plain silly. It's like your folks telling you their bringing home a new pet and you name it "Mr. Fluffy Bunnykins" and it turns out to be a fish. You need to know what you are naming before you name it, and "a campaign setting" is simply far too vague to make such a decision at this point.

The choice of name at this stage will also dictate, perhaps irreversably, the content that follows. You will get very, very different submissions for a setting named "The Green Isle of MacManus" as opposed to, say, "The Emirates of Al'Aqbari".

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03/27/2006 5:39 PM  
I'm with Sulaco. Naming should be reserved until later. A "working title" is perfectly fine but it would be problematic to perma-lock into something that didn't quite fit later down the road.

A side note about names: For some odd reason many fantasy/sci-fi writers like random, completely unpronouncable names. These are typically detractions from not additions to a work.

My vote for a working title is either Axim or Argenis. Both are simple, generic, and easy to pronounce [:D]

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03/27/2006 6:02 PM  
Not to add to the arguement but the waiting on the name I'd agree with. Sulaco does have a point in that if we lock a name now it will influence greatly the flavor of what folks will/would expect. For example, I like the name Argenis as well but just sounding it out gets me thinking Greek/Roman flavoring etc. If we choose to use a working title, for now Argenis will do.

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03/27/2006 6:05 PM  
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Originally posted by zenthrus

I'm with Sulaco. Naming should be reserved until later. A "working title" is perfectly fine but it would be problematic to perma-lock into something that didn't quite fit later down the road.

A side note about names: For some odd reason many fantasy/sci-fi writers like random, completely unpronouncable names. These are typically detractions from not additions to a work.

My vote for a working title is either Axim or Argenis. Both are simple, generic, and easy to pronounce [:D]


I agree with all the points made here, ecxept I don't like Axim.
So, 1 vote for "Argenis" as a provisional name.

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03/27/2006 6:40 PM  
Avaron or Argenis.

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03/27/2006 6:51 PM  
I'm also fine with Argenis as a provisional name, until we find out just what this world is all about. [:)]

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03/27/2006 7:18 PM  
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Avaron or Argenis.



Ditto, but as working names.

It's a thinking difference btw about whether to name first or last. Different people think in different ways, not a case of one right way to design a gaming world.

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03/27/2006 8:15 PM  
I like Argenis or Qaelos as names. Argenis sounds a little elfie to me, not thats theres anything wrong with that [:)], but as a working name or the name of a continent its pretty good.

I think we need a name even if its just on a provisional basis its better to refer to the project by a name rather than 'The world' or 'that project we are building'.

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03/27/2006 9:19 PM  
Well I have to agree as a Writer the name is a very important piece of the work. Names are need though to work and as long as the names is flexible and people don't get hurt feelings work with

Argentis or Axim either work well and are generic enough thaat they can be used as people or places later on to flesh everything out.

Personally it took me over a week and a list that started with well over a hundred titles to come up with the name of my book.

(Imagine my horror when I saw that RA Salvatore had used the same title. I had fell out of the Drizzt series and hadn't got back to it. To this day i still haven't read that book.)

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03/27/2006 9:28 PM  
Just my perspective here. I dont think a name really has a lot to do with designing the world. I know there are arguments on both sides and what not.

It seems that the majority is to wait and choose a name later on. That is totally fine with me. Also a quick perusal of the thread seems that argenis (sp) is in favor for the temp name. Thats fine with me. Just needed a name to get something else going. Now get back to deciding on the geography!!!

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03/27/2006 11:18 PM  
On the idea that names can be given before their essence is known...

Well, we humans have a fantastic track record for giving names to our children way before we find out what they are all about. Heck, most people have boy and girl names picked out way before they actually even give birth to the child, and some have names picked out for future children.

I picked the name of my kid, Arian Brazenwood, when I was 14 when I designed a wood elf hero archer for my fantasy stories. I even gave him his own last name (Brazenwood instead of Phipps, which is my birth last name). And gues what, 14 years after I made it up, and ten years after he was born, the name stuck and is perfect for who he is as a soul and individual.

So yes names do have power, and a proxy name for now is fine. Argenis seems to be getting a lot of votes, so let's call it that for now, The Argenis World Design Project, or something and get on with it, and later as the world takes its shape, we can vote to change the name or not.

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03/28/2006 11:45 AM  
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quote:
Originally posted by Sulaco

None of the above.

Speaking as a writer, names a very hard and very, very important. The name should come last and should evoke the flavour and uniqueness of the setting. Locking into a name now is a very bad idea.

As such I vote the name should be "TBD" until everything else is done.



I second this... Could go into another essay a to why but a name is like the packaging and you don't want to call it a blender when it toasts bread.



I concur

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03/28/2006 1:02 PM  
I don't care alot about the name. I am more concern with the geog etc.

that said a working title seams reasonable. All movies have working titles during production. Some stick around and other are changed.

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03/28/2006 3:20 PM  
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I don't care alot about the name. I am more concern with the geog etc.

that said a working title seams reasonable. All movies have working titles during production. Some stick around and other are changed.



Yes, working titles are fine. But to that end I think a title that is evocative rather than specific works best. For example, how many RPG settings are named specifcally for the actual landmass on which it is set? None that I can think of. Rather names like The Forgotten Realms, Planescape, Dark Sun, etc. work better. Aregntis could then become the name fo the main contitnet/area we seek to develop with this project, thus tying the setting name to it in a meanginful way.

Now Argentis seems a frontunner among the listed options. The word Argent is Middle English word (tracing its origins back through French to Latin) which means "silver", thus it seems to me that "The Silver Lands" or something of that ilk might make a good, evocative and nicely non-specific working title.

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03/28/2006 3:30 PM  
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03/28/2006 4:04 PM  
The original proposed name was Argenis and not Argentis, but hey Argentis sounds cool too, especially with the silver meaning.

The main continent could be called Argentis and have say some elves who are famous for their silver work, or Dwarves who mine silver, or whatever...


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03/28/2006 10:44 PM  
quote:
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Now Argentis seems a frontunner among the listed options. The word Argent is Middle English word (tracing its origins back through French to Latin) which means "silver", thus it seems to me that "The Silver Lands" or something of that ilk might make a good, evocative and nicely non-specific working title.


I made up "Argenis" and submitted the name for this naming contest, but I was basing it off of the Latin word for silver. I'll give a little bit more information later. I wasn't saying the background for the name during voting because I didn't want to influence the vote.

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03/30/2006 12:35 AM  
A working title might ba a good idea for now.

That said,

Sinim-Xam is a beautiful word.

It sounds like the name for a planet.

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