Count Dooku
Commander
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 | | 04/11/2006 1:44 PM |
| I know that once you multiclass you can never take another level of monk again.
One of my players wishes to multiclass into a Barbarian. I know its a really weird combo....Believe me I told him.
The thing is that to be a Monk you must be lawful....To be a Barbarian you must beany alignment BUT lawful.
If he changes alignment from LN to N wat would happen? Would he still have access to all his monk powers? I know he would lose out on alot of his monk abilities for wearing armor or using weapons...But I mean if he was unarmed and unarmored...Could he still use his monk powers despite the non-lawful alignment? | |
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maijstral
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2105 Posts
| | 04/11/2006 1:49 PM |
| Yes, a monk who becomes nonlawful cannot gain new levels as a monk but retains all monk ablilities.
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nyjastul69
Commander
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Rhode Island
| | 04/11/2006 1:52 PM |
| | Using the RAW, you can't have this multi-class combo, for the reason you stated. I think the Monk would lose all Monk powers if he changed alignments. | |
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maijstral
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2105 Posts
| | 04/11/2006 2:02 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by nyjastul69
Using the RAW, you can't have this multi-class combo, for the reason you stated. I think the Monk would lose all Monk powers if he changed alignments.
Players handbook says you can do this, you can just never advance as a monk again.
You still retain your monk powers, with the armor caveat. As a nonlawful monk/barbarian you keep all the monks powers you accrued to that point but should you wear any armor you lose the AC bonus,flurry of blows and fast movement. | | | |
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Count Dooku
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| | 04/11/2006 2:08 PM |
| | Thanks for clearing that up :) | |
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nyjastul69
Commander
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Rhode Island
| | 04/11/2006 2:15 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by maijstral
quote:
Originally posted by nyjastul69
Using the RAW, you can't have this multi-class combo, for the reason you stated. I think the Monk would lose all Monk powers if he changed alignments.
Players handbook says you can do this, you can just never advance as a monk again.
You still retain your monk powers, with the armor caveat. As a nonlawful monk/barbarian you keep all the monks powers you accrued to that point but should you wear any armor you lose the AC bonus,flurry of blows and fast movement.
Yup. I overlooked that, thanks. | |
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orcmonk220
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| | 04/11/2006 3:08 PM |
| | It's an interesting combo idea though. Gain the monk skill you want, then multiclass out. If I'm reading it right. | |
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orcdoubleax
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| | 04/11/2006 4:26 PM |
| One question.
How is his alignment changing? You can just decide to change your alignment. | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4636 Posts
New York
| | 04/11/2006 4:35 PM |
| Well in order to change you alignment you just need to act that way enough and the DM rules you are that new alignment.
He has never really played his character lawfully...He just wanted to be a monk.
Well hes getting bored of the class so wants to multiclass into a raging barbarian...that alone I feel pushes his alignment away from lawful oficially.
His character story is that he is a Half-Orc raised in a human village that hated orcs so he had no friends..He also had seriosu anger issues that would get him killed someday. So his mother dropped him off at a monestary so he could be taught how to control his rage.
Well hes a 4th level Monk now and hes a kung-fu fighting nut that every once in a while snapps and gets violent or starts shouting at people and monsters that tick him off. So the transition to Barbarion acually fits his character | |
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zenthrus
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| | 04/11/2006 7:01 PM |
| | Sounds like a reasonable situation for a dramatic alignment shift. As has been stated, per the rules there's no reason a Monk couldn't change alignment and multilcass Barbarian. It's a pretty permanent shift (no going back). | |
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nycfarmkid
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| | 04/11/2006 8:49 PM |
| I played a chracter similar to this once, but backwards. started out as a half-org NG barbarian that was raised in a monastary. He couldn't overcome the natural rage of his orc blood, so he couldn't take levels in monk. Eventually he was able to do so and his alignment changed to LG and he took levels as monk. We worked out a thing to replace his rage ability, but it worked.
Now on the other hand, you could play a monk that due to some event succombs to his passion and anger and could then take levels as a barbarian. I kind of like the idea actually. This way you wouldn't lose any abilities. The speed bonuses wouldn't stack however. | |
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CarrionCrawler
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| | 04/11/2006 9:16 PM |
| Count,
Also check out the Chaos monk from dragon magazine to see if it has anything different to say....I don't remember which # it is in... | |
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Thenameless
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| | 04/12/2006 12:26 AM |
| While the book says that the monk class must be lawful, in reality, it is only their disciplined training that makes them so. A person can be of a chaotic nature, but adhere to the strict training regimen required of a monk.
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| | 04/12/2006 3:19 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
Well in order to change you alignment you just need to act that way enough and the DM rules you are that new alignment.
He has never really played his character lawfully...He just wanted to be a monk.
Well hes getting bored of the class so wants to multiclass into a raging barbarian...that alone I feel pushes his alignment away from lawful oficially.
His character story is that he is a Half-Orc raised in a human village that hated orcs so he had no friends..He also had seriosu anger issues that would get him killed someday. So his mother dropped him off at a monestary so he could be taught how to control his rage.
Well hes a 4th level Monk now and hes a kung-fu fighting nut that every once in a while snapps and gets violent or starts shouting at people and monsters that tick him off. So the transition to Barbarion acually fits his character
It doesn't really sound like he became really lawful in the first place. It sounds more like the alignment was taped onto his forehead as a false advertisement.[:p] | |
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| | 04/12/2006 4:17 AM |
| I am lawfull, please move along. [:p]
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nycfarmkid
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1210 Posts
Wadsworth, OH
| | 04/12/2006 6:43 AM |
| | There is a feat in the Eberron Setting called Monastic Training. It allows you to pick a single class with which you can multiclass as a monk. Still wont get around the alignment problem tho. Also, thera re feats in Complete adventurer that allow you to multiclass between monk and certain other classes. There are ones for paladin as well. Specifically for paladin thee is one that lets you multiclass as a bard while still remaining lawful, which bards cannot be. Using this as precedent you could make a feat for the monk/barbarian combo. It would also let you stack your monk and barbarian levels to determine unarmed damage as other feats have done. | |
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Fearfrost
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| | 04/13/2006 5:26 PM |
| | IMO sounds like a fun roleplaying situation. The longer he is away from the rigors and disipline of the monastary the more his natural rage takes over. If I were DM it would be cool by me, odd but well thought out. | |
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