Link
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Netherlands
 | | 04/19/2006 5:54 PM |
| This topic has probably been discussed before, but how do you treat the Large blue in RPG combat? As a medium Dragon with a Large base, or as a Large (juvenile) dragon that is a bit small?
The RPG-side of the stat card states the first, but if the dragon should be based in combat, the base is wrong.
How do you handle this? | |
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Underboss
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| | 04/19/2006 6:11 PM |
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Trying to make your RPG game fit the miniature and stat card is somewhat of a losing battle.
So either use the stats out of the monster manual with the Large Blue Dragon, or use the stats on the back of the card with a medium proxy (or maybe even the Blue Wyrmling if you have one), depending on which is an appropriate encounter for the PCs. | | | |
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yack
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| | 04/19/2006 7:24 PM |
| | I always use the manuals the cards are all in a book that I never open except too trade. RPG in my world = manuals. | |
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IanB
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| | 04/19/2006 7:33 PM |
| | The RPG side of the cards typically ranges from incomplete to useless, I won't touch it except in emergencies. | |
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Can of the Cave Beer
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| | 04/19/2006 11:30 PM |
| "Use the Force, Luke..."
Uhh, make that
"Use the Manual, Link..."
[:o)]
Seriously, that's my real gripe about the descrepency between the mini and the RPG side of the card--i.e. There shouldn't be one! I understand that [skirmish-wise] none shall tread in the Shadow of the Red (Praise be to the Dragon of Crimson Scale!), but there's no reason that the RPG side of the card shouldn't match the mini. | |
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zenthrus
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| | 04/19/2006 11:41 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Can of the Cave Beer
there's no reason that the RPG side of the card shouldn't match the mini.
Yet, sadly, they often don't match. I used the LBD as a Large Blue Dragon (pulling appropriate stats from the MM). If I had more I'd proxy them as Blue Abishai (which I hope are coming out in DQ). | |
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Netherlands
| | 04/20/2006 3:52 AM |
| No, no! I don't care about the stat card! I'm afraid you got me all wrong: my bad.
I think my question was not entirely clear. My 'dilemma' with the LBD is: As a medium dragon, the base is't right, and as a Large dragon, the size isn't right: I want my players to go 'damn!' when I present them the dragon, not 'huh?'. | |
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griffrat
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| | 04/20/2006 6:45 AM |
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If I am looking for the "DAMN" factor. Then the only way to go is metal or a repaint. From what I have been told it is not the size that matters...[:I][:o)][B)]
Seriously, for me it is all about the description during the combat. When I plunk the LBD down I describe it in relation to what the players see and let the imagination from the PCs POV let them carry the load.
But I also look at the dragons as all having differnt sizes "in the size category. What matters is that the grid and I am cool with the different scales, i.e. LRD vs LBD vs LSD vs etc....but this may just be me....
You could always repaint a LCD into a LBD if you were so inclined....[)]
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yack
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Gatineau Canada
| | 04/20/2006 7:10 AM |
| | I'm lost on the question then cause my large blue dragon is a large blue dragon. If you took the fig and changed it too stand like the large red it would be bigger.So I'm lost on the question. | |
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Sulaco
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| | 04/20/2006 9:11 AM |
| | I'd use the stats as-written and have it function as a normal large figure on the map. If they don't match up in terms of size abilities I really don't care as long as the encounter is fun. | |
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Link
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314 Posts
Netherlands
| | 04/20/2006 9:25 AM |
| Imo the LBD is not as big as the LRD: it's more like the size of the medium black, only the wings are bigger.
Well anyhow, Griff and Sulaco: I think you're right. As long as the encounter is fun, the whole size thing is not worth the fuss. I'll just call it a smaller juvenile Blue, amd let my description do the rest. | |
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| | 04/23/2006 3:14 AM |
| I would use it as a dragon. Probably to harrass adventurers.
(a large dragon, to answer the question) | |
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| | 04/23/2006 5:48 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by griffrat
You could always repaint a LCD into a LBD if you were so inclined....[)]
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| | 04/23/2006 6:56 PM |
| | When in doubt, I use the book stats. The stat cards are good quick references for simple monsters such as Orcs and Goblins, but dragon encounters are meant to be memorable. Use proper stats for a large dragon, and maybe even "juice it up a bit" so that the players encounter something that they weren't expecting. | |
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| | 04/23/2006 6:58 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by yack
I'm lost on the question then cause my large blue dragon is a large blue dragon. If you took the fig and changed it too stand like the large red it would be bigger.So I'm lost on the question.
I, too, am lost on the question. My flight of LBD's looks like a group of Large Blue Dragons ready to rip things apart. No medium about it. | |
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yack
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Gatineau Canada
| | 04/24/2006 11:09 AM |
| | YUp..Link you must of gotten a mini blue then. Cause my bunch of large blue dragons tower my meduim Blacks.I have them behind the black dragons and have no issue of seeing them. The Blue is suppose too be a little smaller then the Red, but thats cause of the race difference. | |
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wildmage
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| | 05/07/2006 10:01 AM |
| I just got my first LBD and I was amazed by the paint job- the irridescent blue around the head and neck looks awesome! This is probably my favorite large dragon right now (I don't have a Copper or Bronze yet). Of my recent E-bay purchases I was the most happy with this one! (and happy with the fact that I completed the last few figures from Giants of Legend, Aberrations, and Deathknell in the process- now I've bot all of Harbinger through Deathknell as long as one final package shows up in the mail soon).
Consider that a large blue dragon can represent either a Juvenile (CR 8) or Young Adult (CR 11), or higher CR if you tack on character levels. That's about right for the level range of PCs I would want to pit against a large blue dragon so I think the mini is perfect for the job and looks great too! | |
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IHawk
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| | 05/07/2006 10:15 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by dariustad
quote:
Originally posted by yack
I'm lost on the question then cause my large blue dragon is a large blue dragon. If you took the fig and changed it too stand like the large red it would be bigger.So I'm lost on the question.
I, too, am lost on the question. My flight of LBD's looks like a group of Large Blue Dragons ready to rip things apart. No medium about it.
How many Dragons does it take to get the group classified
as a "Flight." I am hoping it is more than 4. Otherwise it
sounds cooler than it is [:D] | |
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wildmage
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123 Posts
| | 05/07/2006 10:44 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by IHawk
How many Dragons does it take to get the group classified
as a "Flight." I am hoping it is more than 4. Otherwise it
sounds cooler than it is [:D]
Well, since it's Dariustad, I'm guessing between a dozen and a gross. I think he probably has a bit of dragon blood flowing through his veins- perhaps he even has a few horns growing out of his head and some wings starting to sprout out of his back. It will be interesting to see what breath weapon he develops: Perhaps the dreaded "Cone of Halitosis Gas." | |
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