jgsugden
Commander
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Walnut Creek, CA
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| In case you've missed it:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20060501a
Some pretty cool stuff in there, including fixed versions of polymorphing, some very cool new feats that give fighters some more juice, and a cool new knight class that shows a lot of promise. | |
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reezel
Sergeant
555 Posts
| | 05/02/2006 4:19 PM |
| | Yeah, I am really looking forward to this book. The middle part (character concepts) seems pretty worthless to me at this point in my D&D career, but the crunchy parts look to be quite tasty. | |
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orcdoubleax
Sergeant
694 Posts
| | 05/02/2006 4:30 PM |
| | that massive feats list is only the general list. [:0] | |
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AesophDarkfable
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5628 Posts
| | 05/02/2006 4:40 PM |
| | Im looking forward to this one now and I wasnt. I want more Dragon Shaman info but the guy that has it over at Enworld hasnt posted that yet :) | |
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LargeMarmot
Sergeant
463 Posts
| | 05/02/2006 4:51 PM |
| | I'm waiting until I get my hands on it to judge. It may be some really cool stuff or it could be a waste of time that I'll never use. | |
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Benimoto
Underboss
1125 Posts
| | 05/02/2006 5:03 PM |
| | I'm looking forward to it. New stuff to use is fun, and the PHB II puts it in a non-setting-specific book to better fit it in. | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6842 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 05/02/2006 5:10 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by orcdoubleax
that massive feats list is only the general list. [:0]
What do you mean? | |
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maijstral
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| 05/02/2006 5:14 PM |
| from what i've seen on enworld and WOTC boards the only thing that intrests me is the alternate class features and,possibly, the dragon shaman.
I never liked the cavaler and his successor the Knight dosen't interest me, neither does the beguiler.
Over all i'm reserving judgement till it comes out and I have a chance to look it over but right now I'm leaning towards no thanks. | | | |
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Omand
Commander
3120 Posts
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
| | 05/02/2006 9:13 PM |
| Hello,
I think that I will be picking it up, but I want to see and handle a copy first before I commit. I do that with all of my gaming purchases of late, so no real comment on quality or not.
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1140 Posts
| | 05/03/2006 2:39 AM |
| | I never bought the DMG II because it seemed crammed with useless stuff. PHB II seems more useful, but I'm not sure I'd actually use all that stuff in my game, let alone get my fellow players to look through yet another list of classes, prestige classes, and feats. | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5132 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 05/03/2006 2:48 AM |
| | Someone in my gaming group will pick it up. I'm leaning against (been spending too much recently) but if I like the quality once I have a chance to flip through it I'll likely splurge. DMGII just didn't offer enough to a long-time DM to justify the expense. | |
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orcdoubleax
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694 Posts
| | 05/03/2006 5:41 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Corim Danex
quote:
Originally posted by orcdoubleax
that massive feats list is only the general list. [:0]
What do you mean?
From the index this is the types of feats in the book. The list of feats is only General feat. It would be the largest list, but we still have 6 different types of feats that are not listed.
Chapter 3: New Feats
General Feats - list we seen [^]
Ceremony Feats - what is this [?]
Combat Form Feats - love this in complete warrior [:D]
Divine Feats - very popular aboung those religious types [:)]
Heritage Feats - like bloodline feats kind of thing right [?]
Metamagic Feats - magic up boys [}:)]
Tactical Feats - conditional feats, but when they work watch out ΖD] | |
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Underboss
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Wadsworth, OH
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Wolfgang
Warlord
6585 Posts
Milton, Ontario Canada
| | 05/03/2006 9:05 AM |
| | I really can't wait for this to come out | |
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Monsoon28
Underboss
2313 Posts
Toronto
| | 05/03/2006 9:52 PM |
| | Well it's out here in Finland, I went to the shop to FINALLY buy Spell Compendium and low and behold, PHBII on the shelf. I didn't buy it, but I did skim through it, looked interesting I'll probably buy it in the near future. Then again I still need to buy Races of the Dragon and Moonsea comes out next month....hmmm need to be making money again! | |
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MerricB
Underboss
2353 Posts
Australia
| | 05/03/2006 11:40 PM |
| Here are the other feats (from the ENworld thread):
Ceremony Feats
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Ritual Blessing
Ritual Blood Bonds
Combat Form Feats
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Combat Focus
Combat Stability
Combat Defense
Combat Vigor
Combat Awareness
Combat Strike
Divine Feats
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Divine Armor
Divine Fortune
Divine Justice
Divine Ward
Profane Aura
Sacred Healing
Sacred Purification
Sacred Radiance
Heritage Feats
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Celestial Sorcerer Heritage
Celestial Sorcerer Aura
Celestial Sorcerer Lance
Celestial Sorcerer Wings
Celestial Sorcerer Lore
Infernal Sorcerer Heritage
Infernal Sorcerer Eyes
Infernal Sorcerer howl
Infernal Sorcerer Resistance
Metamagic Feats
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Blistering Spell
Earthbound Spell
Flash Frost Spell
Imbued Summoning
Smiting Spell
Tactical Feats
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Blood-Spiked Charger
Combat Cloak Expert
Combat Panache
Einhander
Mad Alchemist
Shadow Striker
http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?t=175428&page=1&pp=40
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reezel
Sergeant
555 Posts
| | 05/04/2006 10:23 AM |
| Not sure if anyone read through the alternatives for the fighter, but this type of thing is exactly why I am looking forward to this book.
quote:
COUNTERATTACK
Every offensive move creates an opening for a counterattack, and you know how to exploit this facet of combat to its fullest.
Level: 12th.
Replaces: If you select this class feature, you do not gain the fighter bonus feat at 12th level.
Benefit: At 12th level, you learn to hold back some of your offensive prowess to enable a potent counterattack. As a full-round action, make one melee attack at your highest base attack bonus. At any time before the start of your next turn, you can use an immediate action to make a melee attack (using your highest base attack bonus) against an enemy that attacks you in melee.
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 05/04/2006 5:31 PM |
| | It sounds like a very good book. I'm pretty sure my next new PC will be a Knight... although the other new classes also seem pretty darn cool, too. | |
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forkedmoon
Underboss
1305 Posts
| | 05/04/2006 10:22 PM |
| | Is this book going to be a requirement to play the new campaigns or just a good suggestion? | |
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Kiddoc
Underboss
1797 Posts
| | 05/04/2006 11:45 PM |
| PHBII is actually a fantastic addition to my collection. I love the class special ability substitutions (especially the Marshal!), and the additional descriptions and samples.
The feats are actually pretty well balanced, because many of them have very high-level or strict prerequisites.
My favorite section of the book, other than the "building your identity" fluff, is the Teamwork Benefits. This section deals entirely with party dynamics and has a lot of excellent suggestions for how to improve party functioning. Furthermore, the teamwork benefits are like entire "free" feats that a party can "research" and learn.
So if a party completes a mission where charging is important, they might learn a "teamwork benefit" that lets other team (re: party) members step aside when someone is charging (i.e., you can charge through teammates). There are a huge selection of these "cooperative" feats in there that are really creative, and actually quite helpful for facilitating good teamwork.
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True_Blue
Underboss
2386 Posts
| | 05/05/2006 1:58 PM |
| | I'll buy it especially for the feat choices. I'm in the camp that you can never have too many options or choices, so I'm happy for something like this. I think it will be a lot more useful than the DMG 2 was, but I've used the DMG 2 a couple times also. | |
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 05/05/2006 2:48 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by ChristopherGroves
They need to have a party feat that gives you a bonus against mind controlling spells ... with the prereq that as a party you have to go an entire session without agreeing on anything or comprimising. If you can remain stubborn for an entire evening, you get the party benefit ...
Talk about getting something for nothing ... I can't rememeber a single session where the party wouldn't have qualified for this ... | |
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Thenameless
Warlord
12481 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 05/07/2006 12:36 AM |
| | I like the Knight. Its inherent strengths and weaknesses are very much in line with what my idea of a Knight is. | |
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Stabmastaarson
Sergeant
442 Posts
| | 05/08/2006 11:17 PM |
| I just got my copy today and I must say I'm impressed. I like the variations to the existing classes quite a bit and the new classes are pretty well done, in my opinion.
The focus on how to create backgrounds for characters is a welcome addition for those who may have a hard time with that sort of thing. I also like the addition of starting equipment packages and suggested feat lists in the back of the book. They're not definative, but provide a new player with a good idea of what they can work towards that's not total cheese. I don't have time to do an in-depth review, sorry.
Merric should have that covered soon... | |
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Amurayi
Underboss
1471 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 10:28 AM |
| Ok those who have the book, please tell me something about the "Penetrating Shot" Feat. It seems WAY to overpowered judging by the preview text.
Penetrating Shot
Req: Str 15, Point Blank Shot, base attack bonus +10
Effect: Your ranged attack targets every foe in 60-ft. line
Is there a catch? | |
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PatEllis15
Commander
4463 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 10:40 AM |
| I like the sound of some of these feats (Penetrating shot!!!!) as they are likely to make their way to DDM.
I wonder how many were actually developed specifically FOR DDM!
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Ghendar
Warlord
13069 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 05/09/2006 11:29 AM |
| Huh? Wha????
This HAS to be wrong.
So, can it penetrate a thin wooden wall to hit an enemy on the other side? How about a pane of glass? If it could theoretically penetrate the plate mail armor of several foes, how could it not go through thin walls and such.
Gonna be very interesting to read the whole description. | |
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taliesin
Underboss
1113 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 1:02 PM |
| | If it works similar to the Exit Wound special quality from Complete Warrior, then each target after the first gets a cumulative +4 cover bonus to AC, and you only roll the attack roll once. So, if you rolled a total score of 26, you'd hit AC 26 on the first target, 22 on the second, 18 on the third, etc. Also, as soon as you fail to hit a target in the line, the effect ends. | |
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Sammael
Underboss
1881 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 4:11 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by PatEllis15
I wonder how many were actually developed specifically FOR DDM!
Zero, I would hope. RPG rules should be developed and playtested with the RPG in mind, not Skirmish. | |
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Shoe
Sergeant
804 Posts
| | 05/09/2006 7:06 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Amurayi
Ok those who have the book, please tell me something about the "Penetrating Shot" Feat. It seems WAY to overpowered judging by the preview text.
Penetrating Shot
Req: Str 15, Point Blank Shot, base attack bonus +10
Effect: Your ranged attack targets every foe in 60-ft. line
Is there a catch?
No catch. Use a standard action to take a shot in a 60-foot line. Roll an attack at each creature in the line. If you hit, you deal damage. Any bonus damage (sneak attack, flaming weapon) only affects the first target.
You're at least 10th level when you do this, so you might hit everyone behind your primary target for an extra 1d8+10, but give up your extra attacks to do so.
Compare to the 10th level sorcerer blasting lightning bolt (ALL DAY!) for 35 damage a pop, and it really isn't broken.
Better than many other Feat options in the game? Yes. No question. With hundreds, maybe thousands, of feats available, there are perhaps 75-90% or more that aren't considered as true options. All the feats in this book were deliberately designed to fall in the 10-25% that are.
Also, many of the higher-power feats were created specifically to provide compelling options at the mid-to-high levels of play. | |
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Amurayi
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Shoe
Sergeant
804 Posts
| | 05/14/2006 9:42 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Amurayi
A warlock with his Eldritch Blast (against the touch AC of every enemy) or a thief with his thrown daggers benefits from this as well??
While I don't think using the blast or daggers would be a balance issue at all, the feat doesn't actually allow it. (The warlock would be, what - 14th level? It's a little bit better than the eldritch chain blast shape, and on par with the eldritch cone, which he could take at 11th level.)
The feat only applies to projectile weapons (not thrown or EB). | |
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IHawk
Underboss
1054 Posts
Lisle, Illinois
| | 05/14/2006 10:03 PM |
| So far, i've liked most of what i've seen in PHB II...I didn't
think that I would. I've been wrong before.
My favorite stuff so far is the feats and expanded spells. I do
like some of the alternate packages for some classes, specifically
the wizard and sorc (sorc a bit more).
The new base classes are all good, i've already approved them
for addition to my home game.
Gold star for this book.
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