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Zaukrie
Underboss
2007 Posts
    
 | | 06/04/2006 9:41 PM |
| From Erik (from ENWorld):
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Layer 666 is not detailed (so you can make it as eeeeeevul as you want). I also retconned the two existing post-666 layers by changing their first digit to "5", so there are no longer any official layers beyond 666. There are hundreds of "available" layer slots from 1-666, so there's really no reason to push beyond that number, other than to piss off long-time players.
So says I.
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yack
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3320 Posts
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| | 06/04/2006 9:48 PM |
| | Thats good because 666 is so fitting for the Abyss. I always thought it ended on the 666th. | |
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bshugg
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1833 Posts
| | 06/05/2006 12:19 PM |
| I never liked the "infinite layers of the Abyss" concept. 666 layers seemed better, despite being another argue point that the fundo-christiants could grab onto to point to the evilness that is DnD.
An infinite number of layers would let them overwhelm the 9 layers of hell a long time ago in the blood war, and take over every material plane as well. A finite number of layers lets most of them be kept under control by infighting and Chaos. This leaves just enough to harass the material plane and fight the bloodwar. | |
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Zaukrie
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2007 Posts
| | 06/05/2006 12:24 PM |
| Actually, later in the thread Erik says the Abyss is still infinite if that is what you want in your campaign.
I think 666 infinitely sized layers, with sub-planes, demi-planes...whatever else, is probably enough to house all the demons of the abyss that aren't elsewhere fighting, seducing, or otherwise destroying the lives of mortals and immortals alike.
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Grim
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482 Posts
| | 06/05/2006 12:49 PM |
| | I always found it odd that there was more than 1 infinite layer. If it is inifinite, there is no room for anything else. Either it is infinite or it isn't. Boggles the mind. | |
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Venport
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739 Posts
| | 06/05/2006 1:30 PM |
| | It's the idea that there are infinite numbers between 1 and 2 (1.1, 1.2, and can keep going on and on and on) So Layer 1 can have sub layers just like numbers have fractions. | |
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Monsoon28
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2313 Posts
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| | 06/05/2006 1:59 PM |
| | Glad to hear it, I'm a fan of the 666 design rather then the infinite layers concept. | |
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Ghendar
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| | 06/05/2006 2:08 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by bshugg
An infinite number of layers would let them overwhelm the 9 layers of hell a long time ago in the blood war, and take over every material plane as well. A finite number of layers lets most of them be kept under control by infighting and Chaos. This leaves just enough to harass the material plane and fight the bloodwar.
Not necessarily. Who's to say what the population is on these layers? A great many of them could be unpopulated or sparsely populated.
It's kinda like saying just because Alaska is so huge, it would overwhelm Connecticut in a conflict.
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IanB
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3112 Posts
| | 06/05/2006 2:22 PM |
| | I'm in total agreement with Erik on this. | |
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| | 06/05/2006 2:38 PM |
| | I... will... not... get... dragged... into... a battle discussing how the residents of 9 infinite planes would be equally mateched versus the residents of 666 infinite or infinite infinite planes... | |
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taliesin
Underboss
1113 Posts
| | 06/05/2006 4:40 PM |
| Yeah, I know. If each layer is infinetly large, then it doesn't really matter how many layers there are.
I think the "Infinite Abyss" just had a nice ring to it, and it still is infinite, just not in # of layers. | |
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| | 06/06/2006 1:08 AM |
| | meh, either way. | |
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dagonet
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442 Posts
| | 06/06/2006 1:46 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by bshugg
An infinite number of layers would let them overwhelm the 9 layers of hell a long time ago in the blood war, and take over every material plane as well. A finite number of layers lets most of them be kept under control by infighting and Chaos. This leaves just enough to harass the material plane and fight the bloodwar.
Nah, an infinite number of (infinite) abyssal layers is fine as long as the demons spend more time fighting one another (not exactly a stretch of the imagination) as they do anyone else. Also, if the lower layers (300+? 400+? 667+?) only connect to the upper layers at a few points, all those cranky demonic inhabitants aren't going to be *able* to get to the point where they can cause trouble.
Anywho, it always seemed a bit goofy to me that, amid all these small numbers of planes (twin paradises, seven heavens, nine hells, three glooms), we have this giant Abyss. The old first-edition great wheel illustration has all the layers of the planes marked as these lozenge-type things, with the Abyss as this huge spiral that curls around into the depths of the page. Very cute. [:D]
Heck, even with 666 layers there's room for all sorts of fun. They should make the Abyss a dumping ground for every failed TSR/WotC campaign system. Layer 321: Dark Sun. Layer 375: Birthright. Layer 700: Spelljammer. And so on and so forth. . . [:D]
And every one of those layers infested with a new (but still unappealing) take on the halfling! [:p] | |
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Gristlemane
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623 Posts
| | 06/06/2006 2:00 AM |
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Originally posted by dagonet
Heck, even with 666 layers there's room for all sorts of fun. They should make the Abyss a dumping ground for every failed TSR/WotC campaign system. Layer 321: Dark Sun. Layer 375: Birthright. Layer 700: Spelljammer. And so on and so forth. . . [:D]
But then they would have to officially declare that a world was dead. And I don't think I could survive the pot banging and yowling of Dragonlance fans when that setting becomes a layer of the abyss. [)] | |
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Can of the Cave Beer
Commander
2838 Posts
| | 06/06/2006 2:15 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by dagonet
Heck, even with 666 layers there's room for all sorts of fun. They should make the Abyss a dumping ground for every failed TSR/WotC campaign system. Layer 321: Dark Sun. Layer 375: Birthright. Layer 700: Spelljammer. And so on and so forth. . . [:D]
I think that idea actually has a LOT of merit to it...
A game where the resident Demon Lord has twisted its level to look more like the mortal world, and then sends its chosen followers into it to see who can currupt the most/cause the most carnage.
The PCs manage to rise up and slay the ineffective ones and give the stronger ones more experience!!
Very interesting. | |
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madda
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714 Posts
| | 06/06/2006 6:28 AM |
| Well, I had to say something about the 666 layers of the abyss on 6/6/06. It would be a shame not to.
So, for all of you who are concerned about the "reduction" in the abyss size, I can assure you that 1 layer of infinite three-dimensional (real) space, finitely countable (666 for example) layers of infinite three-dimensional (real) space, and infinitely countable layers of infinite three-dimensional (real) space, all have the same "size" (or cardinality as it's called). The topology is different but no demon will be short of space.
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Heck, even with 666 layers there's room for all sorts of fun. They should make the Abyss a dumping ground for every failed TSR/WotC campaign system. Layer 321: Dark Sun. Layer 375: Birthright. Layer 700: Spelljammer. And so on and so forth. . .
Nice idea, but I don't think WotC will ever totally admit failure of a campaign world. Moreover, it's gonna be tough on Spelljammer since it's in layer 700 in a 666 layers complex [)] | |
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Zenako
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3472 Posts
| | 06/06/2006 11:29 AM |
| One byproduct of having infinite planes of infinite size is to vastly diminish the significance and role of PC's in the Universe. Of what consequence is it if you are the biggest muckity muck on a planet with bounded dimensions, when that planet is but a mote in the vast dimension of just that infinite plane amongst many.
Far more satisifying to bound the universe and world and to provide "edges" to where things and beings can be and interact. Think of the abyss in the onion scheme of layers, each one distinct yet bounded by the geometry of a sphere. One can then even postulate meaningful battles between layers for rulership and it would have a meaning. If the world you live on is infinite, then there should be very little reason to worry about comflict since the competition for land and resources would be artificial at best. | |
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Grim
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482 Posts
| | 06/06/2006 11:56 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Zenako
One byproduct of having infinite planes of infinite size is to vastly diminish the significance and role of PC's in the Universe. Of what consequence is it if you are the biggest muckity muck on a planet with bounded dimensions, when that planet is but a mote in the vast dimension of just that infinite plane amongst many.
Far more satisifying to bound the universe and world and to provide "edges" to where things and beings can be and interact. Think of the abyss in the onion scheme of layers, each one distinct yet bounded by the geometry of a sphere. One can then even postulate meaningful battles between layers for rulership and it would have a meaning. If the world you live on is infinite, then there should be very little reason to worry about comflict since the competition for land and resources would be artificial at best.
Well said. The ability to teleport at will also renders distance moot as well. In an infinite plane, each demon lord could have a domain well removed from each other (by infinite miles even). There is no need for multiple layers. Also, the number 666 is infernal (i.e. Satan) and therefore more suited to the Hells rather than the Abyss. Anyone else find the mix up strange? | |
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dagonet
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442 Posts
| | 06/06/2006 5:27 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Grim
quote:
Originally posted by Zenako
One byproduct of having infinite planes of infinite size is to vastly diminish the significance and role of PC's in the Universe. Of what consequence is it if you are the biggest muckity muck on a planet with bounded dimensions, when that planet is but a mote in the vast dimension of just that infinite plane amongst many.
Far more satisifying to bound the universe and world and to provide "edges" to where things and beings can be and interact. Think of the abyss in the onion scheme of layers, each one distinct yet bounded by the geometry of a sphere. One can then even postulate meaningful battles between layers for rulership and it would have a meaning. If the world you live on is infinite, then there should be very little reason to worry about comflict since the competition for land and resources would be artificial at best.
Well said. The ability to teleport at will also renders distance moot as well. In an infinite plane, each demon lord could have a domain well removed from each other (by infinite miles even). There is no need for multiple layers. Also, the number 666 is infernal (i.e. Satan) and therefore more suited to the Hells rather than the Abyss. Anyone else find the mix up strange?
Dante's descending circles in the Inferno basically locked in the number 9 for whatever set-up D&D used for Hell. Ditto on the Purgatorio/Paradiso for the Seven Heavens. The Abyss was the next best choice to use everyone's favorite demonic number, especially given that the Old and New Testaments have lots of demons flitting around.
And speaking of Satan, Dragon magazine actually statted up Lucifer a *long* time ago (Issue 60-something, IIRC). I believe he was a bit weaker than the average Archdevil, too. [:p] | |
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dagonet
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442 Posts
| | 06/06/2006 5:32 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Can of the Cave Beer
quote:
Originally posted by dagonet
Heck, even with 666 layers there's room for all sorts of fun. They should make the Abyss a dumping ground for every failed TSR/WotC campaign system. Layer 321: Dark Sun. Layer 375: Birthright. Layer 700: Spelljammer. And so on and so forth. . . [:D]
I think that idea actually has a LOT of merit to it...
A game where the resident Demon Lord has twisted its level to look more like the mortal world, and then sends its chosen followers into it to see who can currupt the most/cause the most carnage.
The PCs manage to rise up and slay the ineffective ones and give the stronger ones more experience!!
Very interesting.
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FeranEldritchKnight
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385 Posts
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| | 06/06/2006 5:35 PM |
| | If the abyss has 666 layers, to most it is infinite. Who would travel through all 666 and think, "That's all? We're done?" I picture it as called the infinite layers, but there's only 666 and nobody has really counted them to know for sure. | |
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IanB
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3112 Posts
| | 06/06/2006 8:11 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by dagonet
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Originally posted by Can of the Cave Beer
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Originally posted by dagonet
Heck, even with 666 layers there's room for all sorts of fun. They should make the Abyss a dumping ground for every failed TSR/WotC campaign system. Layer 321: Dark Sun. Layer 375: Birthright. Layer 700: Spelljammer. And so on and so forth. . . [:D]
I think that idea actually has a LOT of merit to it...
A game where the resident Demon Lord has twisted its level to look more like the mortal world, and then sends its chosen followers into it to see who can currupt the most/cause the most carnage.
The PCs manage to rise up and slay the ineffective ones and give the stronger ones more experience!!
Very interesting.
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3171 Posts
| | 06/06/2006 11:08 PM |
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Can of the Cave Beer
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2838 Posts
| | 06/07/2006 12:09 AM |
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Originally posted by dagonet
And what happens when the PCs find out they've been strenghtening the hordes? [}:)]
Do they abandon their "home" for the Prime? Do they try to "liberate" their home from the Demons?
Just imagine the fun when a more powerful demon gets tired of pretending to be banished!
The DM that pulls this off will never have players that trust him/her again... | |
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taliesin
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1113 Posts
| | 06/07/2006 11:40 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Can of the Cave Beer
quote:
Originally posted by dagonet
And what happens when the PCs find out they've been strenghtening the hordes? [}:)]
Do they abandon their "home" for the Prime? Do they try to "liberate" their home from the Demons?
Just imagine the fun when a more powerful demon gets tired of pretending to be banished!
The DM that pulls this off will never have players that trust him/her again...
Do any of us have players that trust us now?[}:)] | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 06/07/2006 11:49 AM |
| Im personally reading Erik's quote as that the Abyss STILL has infinite layers...Its just that they will not stat them or detail them beyond the 666th layer.
I see nothing that states that there is no longer is a 667th layer and beyond.
I guess the Fiendish Codex will reveal if Im wright or wrong. | |
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Chozyn
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213 Posts
| | 06/07/2006 11:51 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by taliesin
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Originally posted by Can of the Cave Beer
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Originally posted by dagonet
And what happens when the PCs find out they've been strenghtening the hordes? [}:)]
Do they abandon their "home" for the Prime? Do they try to "liberate" their home from the Demons?
Just imagine the fun when a more powerful demon gets tired of pretending to be banished!
The DM that pulls this off will never have players that trust him/her again...
Do any of us have players that trust us now?[}:)]
I have players that trust me...
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bshugg
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1833 Posts
| | 06/07/2006 3:59 PM |
| That would make for a neat concept:
My players adventure all along in a Forgotten Realms campaign only to discover around level 21 that its actually the 567th layer of the abyss and they actually died and have been fighting in a domain of lies. Any pain and suffering they forced on the enemy monsters was actually dealt to illusion covered innocents. [}:)] I think my Paladin's head would pop! Of course can he really be sure he's a paladin? Maybe he's been a black guard all along.
Actually sounds more like a part of Hell rather than the Abyss. | |
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Ironballz
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68 Posts
| | 06/08/2006 11:24 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Zenako
One byproduct of having infinite planes of infinite size is to vastly diminish the significance and role of PC's in the Universe. Of what consequence is it if you are the biggest muckity muck on a planet with bounded dimensions, when that planet is but a mote in the vast dimension of just that infinite plane amongst many.
Far more satisifying to bound the universe and world and to provide "edges" to where things and beings can be and interact. Think of the abyss in the onion scheme of layers, each one distinct yet bounded by the geometry of a sphere. One can then even postulate meaningful battles between layers for rulership and it would have a meaning. If the world you live on is infinite, then there should be very little reason to worry about comflict since the competition for land and resources would be artificial at best.
I don't think this is quite true. Regardless of "size" of the universe, the PC's have as much effect as the GM chooses. If you're entire campaign takes place in a small farming village of 50 and the PC's can still be made to feel small, ineffectual and irrelevant.
On the other hand, the "Infinite Layers of the Abyss" has a sort of horrid sound to it. It speaks of unstoppable evil. To me, the Abyss is and should be infinite. It is populated by an infinite number of demons. If it weren't for the demon's unwillingness to work together AND the heroic efforts of good beings, they would have destroyed/enslaved everything a long time ago.
Infinite implies unconquerable. Even the most munchkin of power gamers will eventually realize, by definition, he can't kill an infinite number of demons. Better to close those gates than try to conquer the Abyss.
666 layers does have a certain sound to it, I agree. It's also far easier to grasp than infinite.
An undefined number though I feel is far more horrific. One of the problems with D&D is it's need to define everything, give it a stat and measure it in some way. Having things unmeasurable, vague and undefined leaves some mystery to things. Not knowing how big the Abyss is, in and out of character, gives even the mere mention of the Abyss more power.
Anyways, those are my takes on that. I don't think it really matters much either way, 666 sounds cool and is close enough to "infinite" for RP purposes. I think an undefined number is just as effective and sounds more horrific though. | |
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Lachlarlan_the_Mad
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470 Posts
| | 06/08/2006 11:47 AM |
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442 Posts
| | 06/08/2006 12:05 PM |
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Ravenloft. . . [}:)] | |
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Lachlarlan_the_Mad
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470 Posts
| | 06/08/2006 12:36 PM |
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Ravenloft. . . [}:)]
I didn't include Ravenloft or Dragonlance because they've been reprinted using the D20 system.
The others mentioned have not. | |
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Can of the Cave Beer
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2838 Posts
| | 06/08/2006 8:35 PM |
| For some reason, Ravenloft "feels" like Juiblex to me. Maybe it's just the tendrils of Mist, or maybe something more Cthulu-esque. But Ravenloft is certainly Juiblex...
Perhaps with Orcus screwing around with things...
And here's something to ponder--How do the Good clerics power their spells? Do the Celestial powers know that somewhere in the Abyss, someone is calling on them? Or would it be the plane's controller fueling everything?
If the Celestial powers do know, would they send a rescue party? I can just see a party about to strike a crushing blow against a "demon" (real or not) when a Ghaele interrupts them and tries to get them to come with her saying the whole thing is a setup and they need to not slay the demon! | |
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dagonet
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442 Posts
| | 06/09/2006 1:17 AM |
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Originally posted by Can of the Cave Beer
For some reason, Ravenloft "feels" like Juiblex to me. Maybe it's just the tendrils of Mist, or maybe something more Cthulu-esque. But Ravenloft is certainly Juiblex...
Perhaps with Orcus screwing around with things...
Nah, isn't it canon these days that Juiblex is too unconcerned with non-slime matters (i.e. lazy) to throw together something like this?
Actually, I'd sort of meant that the Demon Prince for each of the "failed campaign" layers would be one of the principal characters from the setting. So maybe Strahd for Ravenloft, or one of the Dark Powers if they've ever been explicitly identified.
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And here's something to ponder--How do the Good clerics power their spells? Do the Celestial powers know that somewhere in the Abyss, someone is calling on them?
Definitely. I mean, what better way to strike at your enemy than by nurturing sparks of virtue in the very heart of his/her realm?
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If the Celestial powers do know, would they send a rescue party? I can just see a party about to strike a crushing blow against a "demon" (real or not) when a Ghaele interrupts them and tries to get them to come with her saying the whole thing is a setup and they need to not slay the demon!
A rescue party would be more problematic--I'm not sure how they're handling inter-planar portals/gates in this facet of 3E (i.e. do we have to either use the Styx or pass through Pazunia?), but getting to the deeper levels would likely be difficult. I'd think the celestials would go more for prophetic dreams, etc, rather than direct assistance. Having said that, though, there's no reason to believe that *every* inhabitant of one of these layers is native to the Abyss. . .
Or how about this: the campaign takes place on a big chunk of one of the Upper Planes which has ended up in the Abyss (as with Occipitus in Shackled City), and the lingering celestial energy balances out the standard Abyssal conditions to create an environment identical to that of the Prime? A huge island continent, surrounded by tainted oceans in which truly terrible monsters lurk. . .
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kyrin
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3171 Posts
| | 06/09/2006 1:41 AM |
| I love the way your devious mind works, dagonet!
"Captain, why can we not sail past the Pillars of Foozbang?"
"Arrr, I've no idea, landlubber, but I'll not do it fer all the gold in Garmoozia."
"Father, why can't we travel beyond the Mountains of Dawn?"
"Do not ask such questions, my foolish son."
Or something like the Great Desert that surrounded OZ, that disintegrated anything that touched it...
The foreboding surroundings could even depend on the layer and the demon lord:
Dagon: A great sea
Demogorgon: A vast jungle
Orcus: A wasteland of the dead
Juiblex or Lolth: The World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky! And it was all... gooey and stuff.
Fraz-Urb-Uluu: A world surrounded by telemarketers.
You get the idea.
Wow, this could inspire my next campaign...
JIM
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dagonet
Sergeant
442 Posts
| | 06/09/2006 2:15 AM |
| Why thank you. [:D]
But let's not forget some of the less well-known Demon Lords. . .
Malcanthet: "No, my son. You must NEVER follow the Grail-shaped Beacon. . ."
[:p]
And if you run that campaign, I dearly hope you'll post details on it here. | |
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Dordledum
Commander
3463 Posts
Netherlands
| | 06/09/2006 6:56 AM |
| Well, it was allways: "The infinite layers of the Abyss". It never was stated as the infinite number of layers of the abyss. I guess it's just the layers themselves that are infinite.
D. | |
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Grim
Sergeant
482 Posts
| | 06/09/2006 11:20 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Dordledum
Well, it was allways: "The infinite layers of the Abyss". It never was stated as the infinite number of layers of the abyss. I guess it's just the layers themselves that are infinite.
D.
Why would there ever be more than one INFINITE layer? | |
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kyrin
Commander
3171 Posts
| | 06/09/2006 11:36 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Grim
quote:
Originally posted by Dordledum
Well, it was allways: "The infinite layers of the Abyss". It never was stated as the infinite number of layers of the abyss. I guess it's just the layers themselves that are infinite.
D.
Why would there ever be more than one INFINITE layer?
Are you kidding? With these contentious SOB's?
"Okay, Orcus, we'll get out the duct tape. You stay on *your* side of the line, and I'll stay on mine. What are you doing, Graz?"
"I can use duct tape too, you two-headed chimp."
"BABOON! IT'S A BABOON! Or perhaps a mandrill..."
"Splrbl." (Juiblex wrestles with duct tape)
Fraz-Urb-Uluu talks Yeenoghu into duct taping off a huge chunk for him, and then tells Yee that duct tape is candy. Let's watch the fun!
One might as well ask why there is more than one supreme leader...
Hmmm...
JIM
aka kyrin | |
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Pronounce "Drow" like "crow"! Viva la Revolution! We Shall Overcome!
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notserious
Sneak
117 Posts
| | 06/09/2006 11:47 AM |
| | Grim: Why wouldn't there? If one infinite plan of pure, chaotic evil is good (so to speak) then more would be better. and would utter and complete excess be very fitting for the home of pure chaotic evil? And as someone else pointed out, it is perfectly valid from a mathematical perspective - the two dimensional example of infinite points on a number line between 1 and 2 is a good one. But Stephen Hawking also had a nice little piece on bounded, infinite spaces in three and four dimensions. and we have even talked about what happens when you add dimensions - dimensions don't really overlap, so you can have as many infinite dimensions as you like. Personally, I liked Robert Heinlein's take on the whole 666 thing - in the novel "The Number of the Beast" his fictional multiverse is based on there being a lot of dimensions - 10 to the power of 6, to the power of 6, to the power of 6 (which is a ridiculously large 10 to the 216, so you would probably have close enough to infinite fun with plain old 6 to the 6th to the 6th - 1.03 by 10 to the 28 (or roughly a billion quadrillion)) | |
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