Lachlarlan_the_Mad
Sergeant
470 Posts
    
 | | 07/10/2006 10:21 PM |
| You can find it over at the WotC site.
It seems rather incomplete for a ~300 page book.
The Necrosis Carnex looks like something you'd see in a Silent Hill game. | |
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Beast
Sneak
143 Posts
| | 07/10/2006 11:14 PM |
| | The Inferno Spider looks pretty awesome, as well as the Yugoloth. And why does the Greenspawn Razorfiend look nothing like the mini? | |
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maijstral
Underboss
2105 Posts
| | 07/10/2006 11:44 PM |
| cool, I love the art in the monster manuals. But I notice the greenspawn razorfiend in the MM4 doesn't look anything like the mini.
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MightyEinherjar
Sergeant
387 Posts
| | 07/11/2006 1:21 AM |
| Yeah, I'm pretty sure thats not all the pictures. How many spawn were there supposed to be? 16? There's only a few of them in there, not a single whitespawn...there's bound to be more.
Also, I bet it's a typo with the razorfiend. | |
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JodyJ
Warrior
260 Posts
| | 07/11/2006 8:51 AM |
| | 224 pages. | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 07/11/2006 9:24 AM |
| | Its definitly incomplete. They previewed the Bluespawn Godslayer earlier...Yet its art is not in the gallery. | |
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mordulin
Skirmisher
37 Posts
| | 07/11/2006 9:26 AM |
| | The Wrackspawn looks way better than its mini, and I love the Justice Archon art, but what is with the Demon Squirrels? | |
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Rising Dragon
Sneak
91 Posts
| | 07/11/2006 9:52 AM |
| | As silly demon squirells are, I know a few DMs who won't be able to risist using them. | |
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yack
Commander
3320 Posts
Gatineau Canada
| | 07/11/2006 10:15 AM |
| | the demon squirells are my favorite out of the pictures. Man if they made a mini out of that it would be awesome. Other then that there really is nothing that really makes me go WOW! But I will buy it anyways. | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5132 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 07/11/2006 12:20 PM |
| | Demon Squirrels are probably lifted right out of Final Fantasy V (the infamous Nut and Skull Collectors). Silliness. Just plain silliness [:P] | |
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Lachlarlan_the_Mad
Sergeant
470 Posts
| | 07/11/2006 12:28 PM |
| PC: Aww, look at the cute little squirrel.
- Few Seconds Later & 100 Squirrels Later -
PC: GET THEM OFF ME! GET THEM OFF ME!
Moral of the story: Never touch a squirrel's nuts. | |
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Username
Warlord
5692 Posts
| | 07/11/2006 2:41 PM |
| I think D&D is starting to rip off Pokemon:
Greenspawn Razorfiend:
[img]http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/mm4_gallery/98719.jpg[/img]
Scyther:
[img]http://www.pikachu.cz/Pokedex/RBY2/123...Scyther.jpg[/img]
[:D] | |
Originally posted by Schooly_D
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6841 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 07/11/2006 6:22 PM |
| Observations:
The justice archon looks great.
There are far too few creatures for such a large book.
There seem to be three large groups:
(a) spawn of Tiamat (as we knew)
(b) a bunch of weird creatures
(c) drow, orcs, githyanki, gnolls, ogres (not new creatures) huh?
A handful of other things.
I am quite disappointed by the creature selection. Very disappointed. I thought MM4 would be better than that. Oh, well. Too bad I bought one on ebay yesterday. I would not have bought it off ebay if I would have seen that gallery first. | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6841 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 07/11/2006 6:24 PM |
| | And another thing, what's up with the triskelion????? That's a uniquly magic the gathering creature. Bleh. And the clockwork steed? Bleh. | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5132 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 07/11/2006 6:55 PM |
| Triskelion means:
A figure consisting of three curved lines or branches, or three stylized human arms or legs, radiating from a common center.
It's not specific to MtG, it's an obscure word from the English language [:D]
The Clockwork Steed wins the Wrackspawn Award for the art gallery. That is a straight-up MtG import [V] | |
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Lachlarlan_the_Mad
Sergeant
470 Posts
| | 07/11/2006 8:33 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by zenthrus
Triskelion means:
A figure consisting of three curved lines or branches, or three stylized human arms or legs, radiating from a common center.
Based on that definition, wouldn't a Xorn be a triskelion? | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5132 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 07/11/2006 9:34 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Lachlarlan_the_Mad
Based on that definition, wouldn't a Xorn be a triskelion?
If you discount the Xorn's legs, yes [:D] | |
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Username
Warlord
5692 Posts
| | 07/12/2006 9:59 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Corim Danex
Observations:
(c) drow, orcs, githyanki, gnolls, ogres (not new creatures) huh?
A handful of other things.
I am quite disappointed by the creature selection. Very disappointed. I thought MM4 would be better than that.
I'll have to agree on that point. Why in the world are they putting humanoids with class lvls as new monsters? Me thinks WOTC just ran out of material... | |
Originally posted by Schooly_D
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Ragecage
Sergeant
362 Posts
| | 07/12/2006 12:25 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Username
quote:
Originally posted by Corim Danex
Observations:
(c) drow, orcs, githyanki, gnolls, ogres (not new creatures) huh?
A handful of other things.
I am quite disappointed by the creature selection. Very disappointed. I thought MM4 would be better than that.
I'll have to agree on that point. Why in the world are they putting humanoids with class lvls as new monsters? Me thinks WOTC just ran out of material...
You know, as repetative as this idea sounds, I like it. It makes it easy to throw random classed demi-humans at PC's off the cuff. The party finds itself off the radar and in a random drow village or outpost, but is far too powerful for an unclassed drow encounter? Now, you can easily and randomly throw them a challenge.
I agree that it shouldn't be used too often, but for the classic races, I don't mind at all. | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 07/12/2006 12:32 PM |
| WotC is damned if they do and damned if they dont so to speak.
If they make a book that dedicates 3 pages per monster, And gives stats for classic humanoid monsters with strange new classes, There will be complaints that there arent enough monsters in the book and rehashing MM1 humanoids arent even NEW monsters.
If they make a book that has one or two monsters on one page and they are all new creatures, There will be complaints that there are to many "WTF" type monsters and the book is full of to much weirdness (such as the Fiend Folio..an underapreciated book that is really awsome).
You cant please everyone. I solve this problem by gobbling up all the monster books I can get :) | |
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Username
Warlord
5692 Posts
| | 07/12/2006 12:48 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Ragecage
The party finds itself off the radar and in a random drow village or outpost, but is far too powerful for an unclassed drow encounter? Now, you can easily and randomly throw them a challenge.
I agree that it shouldn't be used too often, but for the classic races, I don't mind at all.
I see your point, but why put it in a Monster Manual? Why not make a drow source book? | |
Originally posted by Schooly_D
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Sammael
Underboss
1881 Posts
| | 07/12/2006 1:07 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
I solve this problem by gobbling up all the monster books I can get :)
Why? Don't you run only published adventures, which always have statted non-core monsters? | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 07/12/2006 1:14 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Sammael
quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
I solve this problem by gobbling up all the monster books I can get :)
Why? Don't you run only published adventures, which always have statted non-core monsters?
This is very true. I pretty much just like reading the stuff.
And Dungeon Magazine uses stuff from the latest books.
Look at the Shackled City Adventure Path...Its chock full of Fiend Folio monsters because the book came out around the same time Shackled City was in the magazine :)
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zenthrus
Warlord
5132 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 07/12/2006 5:44 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
I solve this problem by gobbling up all the monster books I can get :)
Doesn't that get expensive? Not to mention the paper cuts to your esophagus [)]
I'm rather indifferent about the 'old monsters rehashed.' I'll have to wait and see how useful the entries are before passing judgement. Granted, that means I'll already own the book so it'll be a moot point anyway [:D] | |
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Benimoto
Underboss
1125 Posts
| | 07/13/2006 12:48 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
WotC is damned if they do and damned if they dont so to speak.
If they make a book that dedicates 3 pages per monster, And gives stats for classic humanoid monsters with strange new classes, There will be complaints that there arent enough monsters in the book and rehashing MM1 humanoids arent even NEW monsters.
If they make a book that has one or two monsters on one page and they are all new creatures, There will be complaints that there are to many "WTF" type monsters and the book is full of to much weirdness (such as the Fiend Folio..an underapreciated book that is really awsome).
You cant please everyone. I solve this problem by gobbling up all the monster books I can get :)
IT gets even worse if you think about it. If they make a new monster that's similar to an existing monster, but better and a higher CR, like a war troll, people complain "why not just give a troll some fighter levels or apply a template?" Now that they've done exactly that with some existing classic monsters, people complain that they don't feel they're getting anything new. | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6841 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 07/13/2006 9:51 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
WotC is damned if they do and damned if they dont so to speak.
If they make a book that dedicates 3 pages per monster, And gives stats for classic humanoid monsters with strange new classes, There will be complaints that there arent enough monsters in the book and rehashing MM1 humanoids arent even NEW monsters.
The solution to that particular dilemma is to make a longer book. More creatures, more details. | |
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bshugg
Underboss
1833 Posts
| | 07/13/2006 10:27 AM |
| | There is some really nice art in this book. Devil squirrels rock and remind me of the Forgotten realms adventure Nightmare Keep. The only art I really DON'T like is the Githyanki. I can not believe they approved that art for the book. They look like wild red haired human barbarians. Whats that about? | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6841 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 07/13/2006 10:51 AM |
| | The ogres don't really look like ogres, either. | |
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Ragecage
Sergeant
362 Posts
| | 07/13/2006 11:56 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Username
I see your point, but why put it in a Monster Manual? Why not make a drow source book?
I think if there was ever an ALL DROW sourcebook, a lot of Maxminiers' heads would bleed. [)] | |
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Username
Warlord
5692 Posts
| | 07/13/2006 12:10 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Ragecage
quote:
Originally posted by Username
I see your point, but why put it in a Monster Manual? Why not make a drow source book?
I think if there was ever an ALL DROW sourcebook, a lot of Maxminiers' heads would bleed. [)]
I'd buy it! But it must include normal drow and xen'drik drow. | |
Originally posted by Schooly_D
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zenthrus
Warlord
5132 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 07/13/2006 12:22 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Ragecage
I think if there was ever an ALL DROW sourcebook, a lot of Maxminiers' heads would bleed. [)]
My head is bleeding just from the thought [XX(] | |
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