Talistran
Warrior
310 Posts
    
 | | 07/12/2006 10:14 AM |
| That they suck and are hated?! Is it common knowledge in Eberron that a vast number of people think they are stupid and don't really fit in with a FANTASY game called Dungeons & Dragons?
I mean, do the Dino's and Warforged / Robots really know how truly stupid they are?
Do they know they belong in a Prehistoric / Sci Fi game, not a fantasy one?
*Disclaimer: This post was made in jest. While the author truly believes that Dino's and Robot's don't belong in D&D, this post was not meant to hurt the feelings of Dinosaurs, Robots, or lovers of the Eberron system.*
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zenthrus
Warlord
5132 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 07/12/2006 10:54 AM |
| They're probably somewhat ignorant of the fact [)]
Likewise, ninjas (Kara-tur) and pirates (Sword Coast) in the Forgotten Realms probably aren't entirely aware of their mortal enemy status [:D] | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 07/12/2006 10:57 AM |
| I love dinosaurs. Lost-World style adventures are definitly a part of D&D...have been for years.
And I know saying that Warforged arent Robots is beatign a dead horse...but so is calling them Robots :)
Have other constructs and golems upset D&D gamers? Mostly no. SO why Warforged? Is it because they are a PC race?
Monsters in D&D come from all types of mythology and legends and stories...Even modern stories (although altered a bit). D&D is a big melting pot mix of things. Where else can a Celtic Druid and a Japanese Ninja be in the same party and encounter Aztec Cuatle, Egyptian Spinxes, Greek Cyclops, Hebrew Golems, Indian Rakshasa, and some Modern Clockwork Horrors and Tolkein Orcs?
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Kunimatyu
Sergeant
725 Posts
| | 07/12/2006 11:00 AM |
| If Dinosaurs aren't part of D&D/fantasy, then neither are the dire animals(yeah, they're big bad prehistoric animals, based on the old original stuff).
Also, thanks to 1930s pulp, dinosaurs and fantasy are quite linked together. | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 07/12/2006 11:04 AM |
| Dinos are like funky things with no Mythological history behind them like Digesters, Delvers, Destrachans, Grick, Etherial Filchers ect.
You like em' or you dont.
I think the Dino-Haters are a small (but very vocal) minority.
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Lachlarlan_the_Mad
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470 Posts
| | 07/12/2006 11:55 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
Monsters in D&D come from all types of mythology and legends and stories...Even modern stories (although altered a bit). D&D is a big melting pot mix of things. Where else can a Celtic Druid and a Japanese Ninja be in the same party and encounter Aztec Cuatle, Egyptian Spinxes, Greek Cyclops, Hebrew Golems, Indian Rakshasa, and some Modern Clockwork Horrors and Tolkein Orcs?
I couldn't have said it better myself. | |
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Talistran
Warrior
310 Posts
| | 07/12/2006 12:04 PM |
| This whole thread came about as a friend of mine tried to convince me and my wife to join an Eberron campaign.
Which I declined, but I did jokingly say, "Ok, but I am playing a Warforged Robot who thinks that he is subpar to "real humans" and doesn't really have the right to exist in this universe. So, he will be constantly trying to kill himself, but will fail miserably at every turn."
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Ragecage
Sergeant
362 Posts
| | 07/12/2006 12:07 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Talistran
That they suck and are hated?! Is it common knowledge in Eberron that a vast number of people think they are stupid and don't really fit in with a FANTASY game called Dungeons & Dragons?
I mean, do the Dino's and Warforged / Robots really know how truly stupid they are?
Do they know they belong in a Prehistoric / Sci Fi game, not a fantasy one?
*Disclaimer: This post was made in jest. While the author truly believes that Dino's and Robot's don't belong in D&D, this post was not meant to hurt the feelings of Dinosaurs, Robots, or lovers of the Eberron system.*
[:D]
I don't think dinosaurs know much at all. I mean, have you seen the size of their brains, man! [:o)]
And warforged, well, I'm not really sure they have brains, at least, in the classical sense. We'll probably have to wait until the Golem Manual supplement for that one, though, with the inevitable Anatomy of a Warforged section. | |
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mordulin
Skirmisher
37 Posts
| | 07/12/2006 12:09 PM |
| I love the fact that in Eberron you can technically have a robot (warforged) ninja/pirate (dread pirate prc) airship captain who with the leadership feat can half dreaded Dino raiders (Glidewing riders)
By the way my DM has already warned me that if I even dare try to create such a character, the skies shall open wide and devour any trace of my character and his crew. | |
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Kunimatyu
Sergeant
725 Posts
| | 07/12/2006 12:12 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Talistran
This whole thread came about as a friend of mine tried to convince me and my wife to join an Eberron campaign.
Which I declined, but I did jokingly say, "Ok, but I am playing a Warforged Robot who thinks that he is subpar to "real humans" and doesn't really have the right to exist in this universe. So, he will be constantly trying to kill himself, but will fail miserably at every turn."
Anyways :)
Man, you missed out! Eberron is a very refreshing twist on classical Tolkienesque fantasy with some suprisingly mature(not in THAT way) themes that you'll really never see the likes of the Forgotten Realms get around to. | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 07/12/2006 12:25 PM |
| quote:
Man, you missed out! Eberron is a very refreshing twist on classical Tolkienesque fantasy with some suprisingly mature(not in THAT way) themes that you'll really never see the likes of the Forgotten Realms get around to.
And the stereotype that Eberron is all about Warforged and Dinosaurs is about as accurate and Forgotten Realms being all about Drow. | |
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wicked cool
Underboss
2151 Posts
| | 07/12/2006 12:46 PM |
| used to be all dwarves hated elves too. race relations have come a long way since then. demons are no longer called demons they are now called outsiders. i could see your point maybe on warforged as u cant see posibly playing a construct character but its not like they shoot laser beams. dinosaurs however have been in the game since the very begining. a mastodon is sort of a dinosaur in that it existed in prehistoric times. a mastodon or oliphant(spelling) plays a role in the lord of the rings books so you can just justify dinosaurs being part of fantasy roleplaying
what exactly is a fantasy setting?
i say keep them .
island of dread (a first ed module) had dinosaurs and is considered a classic.
i cant wait for the next dino mini.
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bshugg
Underboss
1833 Posts
| | 07/12/2006 1:07 PM |
| Talking to the creator at Winter Fantasy, the robots (warforged) are the most popular feature of the entire setting! He didn't realize they would make as big a splash as they did. People love the robots, and its a very common race choice in eberron game tables.
The Dinosaurs have been around since a 1st edition adventure and were in the MM1. I don't mind them at all. | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 07/12/2006 1:36 PM |
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Talking to the creator at Winter Fantasy, the robots (warforged) are the most popular feature of the entire setting! He didn't realize they would make as big a splash as they did.
Thats fine...I just hope WotC doesnt "give em' what they want" and just churn out tons of Warforged Books like Forgotten Realms did with Drow. | |
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Yukon Cornelius
Warrior
337 Posts
| | 07/12/2006 10:04 PM |
| Dinos are awesome. One day, I hope to see a "lost world" themed minis expansion with tons of the buggers.
I think all the dino haters are fans of Jeff Goldblum, and they're mad about what they did to his Jeep.
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Gristlemane
Sergeant
623 Posts
| | 07/13/2006 1:07 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
Thats fine...I just hope WotC doesnt "give em' what they want" and just churn out tons of Warforged Books like Forgotten Realms did with Drow.
We don't have to buy it you know. Well, Merric would. But us sane people don't. [)]
They are making a new Forgotten Realms that centers around the Yuirwood and the Star Elves. You know, those elves with lightbulbs on their foreheads. Obviously, many people aren't huge fans of the X^15th subrace of elves, especially with the lightbulb things they wear. But the solution is to just not buy the adventure and get the Red Hand of Doom instead.
Personally I don't like dinosaurs, robots or aliens with ray guns in generic DnD. It's a mood killer, just like running into a BBEG necromancer who picks up his cell phone to answer a call right before you attack him would be. But in a dedicated adventure they are cool. | |
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nyjastul69
Commander
2731 Posts
Rhode Island
| | 07/13/2006 9:15 AM |
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Originally posted by wicked cool:
used to be all dwarves hated elves too.
They most certainly did not. If your refering to 1st Ed., the table listed them as an A for antipathy.[:p][)] | |
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FeranEldritchKnight
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385 Posts
Kansas City, MO USA
| | 07/13/2006 10:22 AM |
| | Personally, I think the concept of warforged is interesting, but I don't feel they fit into a classic fantasy campaign either. As for dinosaurs, they have been around since 1e as others have pointed out, but they are a part of history, not fantasy. If I wanted to use dinosaurs, it would only be in a "Land of the Lost" / Isle of Dread type situation, and never anywhere else. In a fantasy setting, dragons take the "giant lizard" role away from dinosaurs IMO. | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 07/13/2006 10:54 AM |
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As for dinosaurs, they have been around since 1e as others have pointed out, but they are a part of history, not fantasy.
Alot of D&D is based on History.
Its funny how when WotC decided to have PCs wear more Fantasy-looking armor and costumes they were jumped all over by alot of people (ironically probably dino-haters) for not leaving the armor looking like armor from Earth's History. | |
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Yukon Cornelius
Warrior
337 Posts
| | 07/13/2006 4:36 PM |
| | I thought people jumped all over them because everything had belt buckles. | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5132 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 07/13/2006 4:56 PM |
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Originally posted by Yukon Cornelius
I thought people jumped all over them because everything had belt buckles.
That was part of it (too anime-ish). It was also in part because a lot of the concept artwork for armor wouldn't actually protect the wearer (who cares how spiffy your armor is if it doesn't actually protect the vitals?). | |
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Puggins
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622 Posts
| | 07/13/2006 4:59 PM |
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Originally posted by FeranEldritchKnight
Personally, I think the concept of warforged is interesting, but I don't feel they fit into a classic fantasy campaign either.
So you don't consider Wizard of Oz classic fantasy? The tin man is virtually the prototype warforged.
I just don't get people calling warforged "robots." Robots have no gears or microchips. They are created using magical forges. They are no more robotic that the iron golem.
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As for dinosaurs, they have been around since 1e as others have pointed out, but they are a part of history, not fantasy.
Tolkien fantasy, sure, but there are tons of other fantasy settings that use 'em. It's not like they're omnipresent, either- you got a few raptor and pterodons running around the Halfling homeland and the rest holed up in Xen'Drik, which, for all intents and purposes, IS the land of the lost. | |
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Ridureyu
Underboss
1622 Posts
| | 07/13/2006 5:55 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Gristlemane
[quote]Originally posted by Count Dooku
Personally I don't like dinosaurs, robots or aliens with ray guns in generic DnD. It's a mood killer, just like running into a BBEG necromancer who picks up his cell phone to answer a call right before you attack him would be. But in a dedicated adventure they are cool.
I'm going to do that now.
"As you enter the chamber of X'ar'aragoth, a faint, almost imperceptible tune begins to play. The Lich King produces a tiny rectangle of metal, and places it to his ear.
"Yeah?" He says, his dark voice echoing with eldritch fury. "Look, dude, I'm kinda busy right now. Mind if I call you back in ten-twenty minutes? No, no, it's not your fault - just gotta get some business done, okay? Are you driving? Don't you know how dangerous that... okay, okay. Um... I'll take one with everything but onions and peppers on it. I can't stand green peppers - I think I'm allergic. Anyway, I've gotta run now, just call when you're about to pull in so I can turn on the garage light for ya. Thanks!"
With that, the undead scourge hides the small device back within his robes and turns to face you.
"You fools!" he shouts, his voice resonating within the chambers. "Today I shall feast upon your souls!" | |
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Korhal_IV
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852 Posts
| | 07/13/2006 8:34 PM |
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Originally posted by Puggins
I just don't get people calling warforged "robots."Robots have no gears or microchips. They are created using magical forges. They are no more robotic that the iron golem.
I find it funny that you wrote "robot" where you probably meant "warforged".
Anyway, he's got the right of it. Iron Golems look far more mechanical than warforged do, with their wooden limbs and innards. There's a lot of stuff in D&D that very blatantly crosses into sci-fi, but calling warforged robots is like calling psions Jedi. It's a matter of flavor.
Most of the people who slam on warforged and dinosaurs are people who've never played Eberron. When you do, and when you read the sourcebooks, they actually turn out pretty cool. Like Bshugg said, the 'forged have been tremendously popular.
Either way, both warforged and dinosaurs are small bits of Eberron - dinosaurs exist only in the Talenta Plains, and the number of warforged in existence is very, very small, most of whom are downtrodden laborers or infantry, where they shouldn't pop out very much if you don't want them to. | |
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delguidance
Sergeant
394 Posts
| | 07/14/2006 12:48 AM |
| Core D&D is fantasy, but its an interesting system that gives you leeway as far as your imagination can take you. If you want to get Cthonic, or East Asian, or Maztican, Steam Punked, Alternitied, Paranoided, I think D&D can get you there.
So... Dinos and Robots okay.
Also the general tone of this post, "do they know how dumb they are?" is hilarious.
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glauron
Underboss
1379 Posts
Sydney, Australia
| | 07/15/2006 11:00 PM |
| I've played in all the campaign worlds, and Eberron is the best. We have a group of 8 gamers and run six sessions a month. Current adventures are set in Greyhawk, FR, and Eberron.
Last weekend in the Greyhawk game we battled a tribe of lizardfolk. Their chief was riding a Fiendish T-Rex. Dinosaurs, but no Eberron. The week before in FR, we battled a 'robot' which was in fact the container of a lich's phylactery. Robots, but no Eberron.
Last Tuesday in the Eberron setting, the PCs fought animals and aberrations, no dinosaurs, though one of the PCs was a warforged.
There is something about Eberron that makes it special. You need to immerse yourself to enjoy it. Stereotyping Eberron as a world of robots and dinosaurs is not only wrong, it is probably depriving you of the chance to enjoy a campaign setting that is unique, interesting, and lots of fun.
The people who bag Eberron are the ones who have never given it a chance. Those who play Eberron know, and we're happy to spread the word in the hope that others will enjoy this campaign setting as well.
That said, everyone is entitled to an opinion, and as Dalton said, "Opinions vary".
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Kithmaker
Commander
3926 Posts
| | 07/15/2006 11:40 PM |
| I'll admit it: I'm a warforged hater. And a dino hater. Not really sure why on the dinos, to be honest, but here are my thoughts on warforged:
I can accept constructs. They are completely artificial things made animate through the use of magic. This, to me, is the kind of stuff that makes perfect "sense" (I use the word loosely, as I must in such an argument) in a D&D world.
The problem comes in when you take this magical machine and merge the concept with a living being. It's too "cyborg-y." I just don't think the two should be compatible.
If they were more like armored suits ("mechs?") that were magically animated, I could get behind them a little bit. But actually being part magically animated machine, part living creature is just too much of a stretch -- or just doesn't feel right to me.
I mean, what happens to a warforged when the magic that animates their non-living parts is dispelled? Do they become paraplegics (or worse) in anti-magic zones? | |
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driordan
Sneak
52 Posts
| | 07/16/2006 4:42 AM |
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Originally posted by Ragecage
And warforged, well, I'm not really sure they have brains, at least, in the classical sense.
I thought warforged were missing hearts and scarecrows were missing brains. | |
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Werebat
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110 Posts
Rhode Island, USA
| | 07/16/2006 6:57 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Ridureyu
"As you enter the chamber of X'ar'aragoth, a faint, almost imperceptible tune begins to play. The Lich King produces a tiny rectangle of metal, and places it to his ear.
"Yeah?" He says, his dark voice echoing with eldritch fury. "Look, dude, I'm kinda busy right now. Mind if I call you back in ten-twenty minutes? No, no, it's not your fault - just gotta get some business done, okay? Are you driving? Don't you know how dangerous that... okay, okay. Um... I'll take one with everything but onions and peppers on it. I can't stand green peppers - I think I'm allergic. Anyway, I've gotta run now, just call when you're about to pull in so I can turn on the garage light for ya. Thanks!"
With that, the undead scourge hides the small device back within his robes and turns to face you.
"You fools!" he shouts, his voice resonating within the chambers. "Today I shall feast upon your souls!"
You know, I could actually see Xykon doing this, if he hasn't already...
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Werebat
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110 Posts
Rhode Island, USA
| | 07/16/2006 6:58 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Puggins
It's not like they're omnipresent, either- you got a few raptor and pterodons running around the Halfling homeland and the rest holed up in Xen'Drik, which, for all intents and purposes, IS the land of the lost.
You forgot about Q'Barra and Argonessen.
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6842 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 07/16/2006 7:59 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Korhal_IV
Most of the people who slam on warforged and dinosaurs are people who've never played Eberron.
Many of those people don't play Eberron because of things like robot-like warforged and dinosaurs. And flying ships and railroads. And superhero action points. | |
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Werebat
Sneak
110 Posts
Rhode Island, USA
| | 07/16/2006 8:54 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Corim Danex
quote:
Originally posted by Korhal_IV
Most of the people who slam on warforged and dinosaurs are people who've never played Eberron.
Many of those people don't play Eberron because of things like robot-like warforged and dinosaurs. And flying ships and railroads. And superhero action points.
Then they should play in the fantasy world of Generic, and fight Orcs and Zombies under the thrall of Count Blandula.
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Stabmastaarson
Sergeant
442 Posts
| | 07/17/2006 5:44 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Corim Danex
quote:
Originally posted by Korhal_IV
Most of the people who slam on warforged and dinosaurs are people who've never played Eberron.
Many of those people don't play Eberron because of things like robot-like warforged and dinosaurs. And flying ships and railroads. And superhero action points.
I've had ONE player complain about action points, most people I've played with/DM'd love them.
I find it very interesting that people complain about D&D becoming too "superhero"-esque. Hate to ruin the party, but that's what PCs essentially become. I mean, c'mon, a group of 4 (or so) people who defy (or directly serve) the gods, kill demons and save the land time and again....are what, just normal folks?
And for those who think that's WotC's fault...read The Throne of Bloodstone some time. That's some AD&D superhero craziness right there.
I say, if you don't like Eberron's thematic elements (warforged, lightning rails, dinos, etc) don't use them, there's still lots of good stuff that could be used in a non-eberron campaign. I think it's a great setting and I love running it, Warforged and all. | |
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 07/17/2006 6:39 PM |
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Originally posted by Kithmaker
I mean, what happens to a warforged when the magic that animates their non-living parts is dispelled? Do they become paraplegics (or worse) in anti-magic zones?
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/antimagicField.htm
"The spell has no effect on golems and other constructs that are imbued with magic during their creation process and are thereafter self-supporting (unless they have been summoned, in which case they are treated like any other summoned creatures)."
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ChristopherGroves
Warlord
6093 Posts
| | 07/19/2006 8:31 AM |
| So ... I like Eberron.
I don't like ALL of Eberron, but I do like Eberron. As a setting, it is "full" of life, features, history, culture, etc.
Unlike other worlds and settings that have come and gone, Eberron has, in my opinion, solidified itself as a full-featured setting. It, Greyhawk and FR are the only settings that I find to be more than niche or expanded-niche. I'm not trying to down-play settings like DL ... but you must admit that DL is niche in concept, and thus it is niche as a game setting.
That doesn't mean that you have to like it ... there are plenty of folks who don't play GH or FR either. They may object to the arbitrarily high power-levels in FR (isn't EVERYONE an Epic character?) and the over-the-top magic ... or they may object to the simplified it-is-what-it-is and sword-wraiths-only-exists-on-this-border purist mentality of GH.
I like them all.
However ... most people who object to those have no interest in playing in Eberron ... I would imagine if you are one of those DMs or game groups that use the material to feed your own world, those things simply wouldn't fit.
It is *different* though in Eberron ... and frankly, it has to be. Otherwise, what would separate it from more generic settings? | |
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Kithmaker
Commander
3926 Posts
| | 07/19/2006 9:26 AM |
| | OK, fair enough on the anti-magic field, but how do Warforged reproduce (if at all)? How old are they (in general)? Do they die of old age? | |
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Wayne
Underboss
1371 Posts
| | 07/19/2006 9:51 AM |
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Originally posted by Kithmaker
OK, fair enough on the anti-magic field, but how do Warforged reproduce (if at all)?
They don't reproduce. By treaty, House Cannith (creator of warforged) shut down and destroyed all their creation forges. Rumors persist, however, that their are at least two creation forges still active ... one in the Mournlands, perhaps under the control of the Lord of Blades (a warforged "messiah") and one somewhere in the bowels of Sharn, City of Towers.
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How old are they (in general)?
I believe sentient warforged were first seen in about 163 YK, which makes the oldest warforged in its 30s. The Treaty of Thronehold was signed two years ago, so the youngest warforged (barring the above hidden creation forges) is two years old.
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Do they die of old age?
I don't actually remember. I do think they "age," yeah, but I'm not positive.
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I'm not a dino hater myself but I never use them in D&D. Just not the "flavor" I want. On the other hand, if my campaign was a lost world/savage land type of game, then they would have a place. otherwise no.
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mordulin
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| | 07/19/2006 1:03 PM |
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Originally posted by Kithmaker
Do they die of old age?
The Eberron campaign setting does not list a venerable or maximum age, at this time it is assumed that a warforged does not die of old age. This isn't the first race without a maximum age though, look at the Elan from the Expanded Psionics Handbook | |
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IanB
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| | 07/19/2006 1:22 PM |
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Originally posted by Kithmaker
OK, fair enough on the anti-magic field, but how do Warforged reproduce (if at all)? How old are they (in general)? Do they die of old age?
The ECS book addresses this stuff. | |
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