Knight of Argenis
Corim Danex
Warlord
6841 Posts
    
West Valley City, Utah
 | | 07/13/2006 9:58 AM |
| I haven't read the book. I scanned it to see what monsters were in it.
Creatures (if I counted right): 105
Number of Spawn of Tiamat: 14
Number of Old Creatures with Levels/Templates: 30+
Number of Creatures with Miniatures released: 13+
It looks like the depth per creature is excellent.
It's the creature selection and amount I am disappointed with.
After looking it through, I regretted buying it.
It might grow on me over time, but I have initial regret. | |
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Knight of Argenis
Corim Danex
Warlord
6841 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 07/13/2006 10:06 AM |
| About the Spawn of Tiamat:
For example, there is a Bluespawn Godslayer. There is no other color of spawn that is called a Godslayer. Likewise, the only Razorfiend is a greenspawn. Each creature is different. | |
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Kunimatyu
Sergeant
725 Posts
| | 07/13/2006 10:42 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Corim Danex
About the Spawn of Tiamat:
For example, there is a Bluespawn Godslayer. There is no other color of spawn that is called a Godslayer. Likewise, the only Razorfiend is a greenspawn. Each creature is different.
Also, there are varying types of each color. There are only two blackspawn, but four bluespawn, for instance.
Oh, and the blackspawn spiderthingy is *retarded*. | |
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Knight of Argenis
Corim Danex
Warlord
6841 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 07/13/2006 10:50 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Kunimatyu
Oh, and the blackspawn spiderthingy is *retarded*.
That is an understatement. That is one of the dorkiest creatures I have ever seen. It looks like a big black blob with a vaguely (highly obsese) black dragon looking face on it. It doesn't look like a spider in the slightest, though the description mentions something about spider. | |
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griffrat
Commander
3507 Posts
| | 07/13/2006 10:56 AM |
| One of the things that I thought was really nice was the "camp encounters" Such as the lizard folk. Where there was pretty much an entire village for your PC killing pleasure. Starting off with the standard soldier, then the special soldier (the Wasp Rider very cool) then the badder soldier, then the shaman and finally villiage leader. Very cool concept and done with a few creatures, i.e. the orcs and some ogres as well.
I like the maps that tend to go along with the monster entry as well. Just a nice over all touch IMHO... | |
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Knight of Argenis
Corim Danex
Warlord
6841 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 07/13/2006 11:14 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by griffrat
I like the maps that tend to go along with the monster entry as well. Just a nice over all touch IMHO...
I agree that the maps are a nice addition. I was surprised to see them. (Note: they are not skirmish size, but are full page, scaled down maps that look nice.) | |
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nyjastul69
Commander
2731 Posts
Rhode Island
| | 07/13/2006 11:43 AM |
| | It seems that this might be the first 3.x book that I'm not going to buy. | |
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Yukon Cornelius
Warrior
337 Posts
| | 07/13/2006 4:33 PM |
| The real star of this book is the layout. The new stat blocks and expanded information (like the knowledge checks!) are inspired.
Now, if only the creatures were worthy of the formatting. I think I saw maybe two that I would use, not counting leveled creatures that already exist in other books (like gnolls and orcs and lizardfolk.) A number of them just look plain goofy.
I think this book is proof that WOTC is running out of creature ideas, and they're just milking us for cash.
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doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 07/13/2006 4:41 PM |
| In contrast, I like the book and I think I will be getting a lot of use out of it.
I hope they make the rest of the Spawn of Tiamat over the next 3-4 sets. | |
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Venport
Sergeant
739 Posts
| | 07/13/2006 4:54 PM |
| | at one point shoe said that there would be at Reference to the DDM communitys Nameing of the wrackspawn... as the WTF...anything on that? | |
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Sammael
Underboss
1881 Posts
| | 07/14/2006 3:16 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by doubtofbuddha
I hope they make the rest of the Spawn of Tiamat over the next 3-4 sets.
That's be a great way of getting me to stop collecting DDM! | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 07/14/2006 8:38 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by doubtofbuddha
I hope they make the rest of the Spawn of Tiamat over the next 3-4 sets.
That would be awsome. Those guys are really growing on me. | |
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Ridureyu
Underboss
1622 Posts
| | 07/14/2006 9:58 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by doubtofbuddha
In contrast, I like the book and I think I will be getting a lot of use out of it.
I hope they make the rest of the Spawn of Tiamat over the next 3-4 sets.
Yeah, I agree. Some of them seem kind of silly, but I want the Bluespawn Thunderlizard and Redspawn Arcaniss. | |
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doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 07/14/2006 10:16 AM |
| | The only one I am indifferent to (as oppossed to liking) is the Black Spider thingamabob. | |
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Yukon Cornelius
Warrior
337 Posts
| | 07/14/2006 11:31 AM |
| Diff'rent strokes, I guess...
If I never see another Spawn of Tiamat mini, I'll be perfectly content. They need to use those precious slots for more dinosaurs. :) | |
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Wakalimasu
Sergeant
738 Posts
Calgary
| | 07/14/2006 11:42 AM |
| actually teh spawns are pretty cool
more plez :D
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Lab Monkey
Commander
4136 Posts
| | 07/14/2006 12:20 PM |
| | Has anyone found the reference to the Maxminis reaction to the WTF? IIRC it was supposed to be pretty subtle. | |
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Username
Warlord
5692 Posts
| | 07/14/2006 12:40 PM |
| For the most part, I'm not impressed (so I won't be purchasing this book).
However, there were a few interesting monsters in there (just a few) and I would really like to see more dragon spawn made (especially the greenspawn sneak & leaper, the bluespawn ambusher & burrower, the whitespawn 'ice skater', and redspawn arcaniss. Other monster I would like to see made are:
Tomb spider
Various Yuan-ti
Various Gnolls (especially the half fiend)
I was really unimpressed with rehashing older monsters and adding class levels, which should have been taken care of in Savage Species. Also some of the new monster are just plain silly:
Blackspawn fat-stupid-spider
Blackrock Triskelion
Demon Squirrels
The clockworks
Corrupture (looks like ooze/slime to me)
Fang Golem (actually, I think most of the golems in the MM are just plain retarded)
Oaken Defender
and a few more that aren't pictured in the gallery.
Overall, I think WOTC should have waited longer to come up with better material.
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Knight of Argenis
Corim Danex
Warlord
6841 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 07/14/2006 12:41 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Lab Monkey
Has anyone found the reference to the Maxminis reaction to the WTF? IIRC it was supposed to be pretty subtle.
I haven't brought myself to reading the entry on the wrackspawn. I don't know if I ever will read that entry. I don't like bizarre mishapen creatures. | |
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 07/14/2006 7:19 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Corim Danex
quote:
Originally posted by Lab Monkey
Has anyone found the reference to the Maxminis reaction to the WTF? IIRC it was supposed to be pretty subtle.
I haven't brought myself to reading the entry on the wrackspawn. I don't know if I ever will read that entry. I don't like bizarre mishapen creatures.
No ettins in your game, eh? | |
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Knight of Argenis
Corim Danex
Warlord
6841 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 07/14/2006 7:56 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by IanB
quote:
Originally posted by Corim Danex
quote:
Originally posted by Lab Monkey
Has anyone found the reference to the Maxminis reaction to the WTF? IIRC it was supposed to be pretty subtle.
I haven't brought myself to reading the entry on the wrackspawn. I don't know if I ever will read that entry. I don't like bizarre mishapen creatures.
No ettins in your game, eh?
No, I don't mean that. I'm just tired of all the strange things that are in MM2, MM3, Fiend Folio, and, for example, the Wrackspawn and the Blackspawn Spiderthingy from MM4. | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5132 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 07/14/2006 8:03 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Corim Danex
I'm just tired of all the strange things that are in MM2, MM3, Fiend Folio, and, for example, the Wrackspawn and the Blackspawn Spiderthingy from MM4.
Simple solution. Don't bother reading the entry and don't bother running the monster. [:D]
For every monster that is hated, there will be someone who thinks it's the coolest thing since sliced bread. I like getting a variety of oddball stuff in the Monster Manuals. I know someone out there will eventually run it.
While I prefer less bizarre critters most of the time, I've used some of the oddball stuff for variety/shock value. One of my players loves to throw the really oddball monsters at us when he DMs (he picks stuff even I've only read through once and I'm the primary DM).
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Pale Rider
Underboss
1023 Posts
London, Ontario, Canada
| | 07/15/2006 7:10 AM |
| | I love it. Easily the best MM to date. No more crap monsters with unproncounceable names that always seem to be wierd for the sake of being wierd. | |
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Knight of Argenis
Corim Danex
Warlord
6841 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 07/15/2006 10:19 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Pale Rider
No more crap monsters with unproncounceable names that always seem to be wierd for the sake of being wierd.
Huh? Ok, they're all pronounceable...but some are just weird. | |
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CarrionCrawler
Underboss
1760 Posts
| | 07/15/2006 12:53 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Lab Monkey
Has anyone found the reference to the Maxminis reaction to the WTF? IIRC it was supposed to be pretty subtle.
I read through the book yesterday, and I specifically read all of the Wrackspawn entry...I didn't see anything referring to us. If it is there, it was too subtle for me. | |
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FeranEldritchKnight
Sergeant
385 Posts
Kansas City, MO USA
| | 07/15/2006 2:16 PM |
| | I browsed over the entry for WTF at the FLGS, and didn't notice anything about Maxminis on the first pass, but I didn't pay deep attention. I do think the concept isn't as bad any more. I like the "Wrackspawn in Faerun" entry, as I have read about the raids on the Wall of the Faithless, and I can feel comfortable using these creatures now knowing they have a real place in the world. | |
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Sammael
Underboss
1881 Posts
| | 07/15/2006 6:45 PM |
| | The reference probably got edited out. | |
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glauron
Underboss
1379 Posts
Sydney, Australia
| | 07/16/2006 11:37 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Sammael
The reference probably got edited out.
WTF? Yhey can't do that!
BTW, I love the wrackspawn, as does the guy DMing our Dragonlance campaign. Bring them on WotC. | |
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Can of the Cave Beer
Commander
2838 Posts
| | 07/17/2006 12:19 AM |
| According to those who went to the Dreamblade-thingy, the reference is in there. Nobody has commented on it (that I've seen) though beyond to say that it is in there.
One of those individuals might be willing to shed a bit more light now that the book is out. But, the reference could be any number of things including the begging letter for a series of words or sentences. | |
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MightyEinherjar
Sergeant
387 Posts
| | 07/17/2006 5:34 PM |
| | Anyway to get some scans of the spawn not shown in the gallery? | |
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 07/17/2006 6:37 PM |
| Having gone through it, I can safely say that it is time to stop making more oozes, WotC, you're out of ideas and they're not a very interesting monster type.
In general I like it although I think the space per monster is maybe a little TOO much. I do like getting the pre-statted examples of existing monsters with class levels and such.
In specific terms, I like the addition of a couple more evil fey, and the spawn are generally pretty cool. | |
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Snappa
Sneak
77 Posts
| | 07/17/2006 8:20 PM |
| The pre-statted monsters are awesome. The new monsters are less so. After a casual inspection, there weren't more than a handful that I see myself using. Honestly, new monsters is pretty low on my priority list. I have tons of minis for monsters I haven't used yet. Until I've thrown every cool monster in the other 4 monster books (MM1-3, FF), I'm in no rush to use the new cool toy.
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zhanteel
Sneak
173 Posts
| | 07/18/2006 1:57 PM |
| The wrackspawn entry did give me a new respect for the creature, if not the actual mini (I liked the picture in the book, but didn't really resemble the mini IMO.
I'm really on the fence about whether or not to buy this book. I like the spawn, and always enjoy reading more about creatures I've seen in skirmish (justice archons, bloodhulk, etc). Just not sure what's left after that balances out the cost of the book. | |
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