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mordulin
Skirmisher
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 | | 07/23/2006 1:44 PM |
| I was just looking through my Races of Dragon and noticed that the ritual required for Dragonborn states only that the supplicant only needs to have a non-evil alignment and an intelligence of 3. If so then it looks like you can have a Dragonborn Warforged. Is this right? I just want to make sure that I'm not missing anything. I know that if it is possible then the Warforged loses his composite plating, light fortification, and natural slam, but should keep everything else. Also, does this mean I can still take Body feats (Mithril Body, Adamantine Body, etc...) or Improved Fortification since their requirements are only Warforged and either level or BAB? Finally, although I know it won't come up in play, does becoming a Dragonborn mean that a warforged will die of old age?
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 07/23/2006 7:52 PM |
| You might want to ask someone else for an official answer, but I would say you wouldn't be allowed to take those body feats. Although by the rules you are right, you are still a warforged so you could qualify for those feats, the intention seem to indicate you can't. You've lost all those components that are modified to become light armor, adamantine, etc. You are now totally fleshy. Otherwise, why couldn't a human or a dwarf take those as well?
Now since they have a section on dragonborn in Eberron and don't mention this maybe they can be used together. If I was ruling it for a game, I wouldn't allow it.
Oh, and sicne Dragnborn age and die, so would your dragonborn warforged.
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glauron
Underboss
1379 Posts
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| | 07/24/2006 1:55 AM |
| I wouldn't allow dragonborn warforged. There's something about the "born" part of dragonborn that just doesn't fit a construct, even a living one. Warforged are made, not born.
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dagonet
Sergeant
442 Posts
| | 07/24/2006 2:53 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by glauron
I wouldn't allow dragonborn warforged. There's something about the "born" part of dragonborn that just doesn't fit a construct, even a living one. Warforged are made, not born.
Cheers
I thought the "born" in Dragonborn referred to the rebirth ceremony they all go through, in which they (literally) become children of the (Platinum) Dragon. In any case, it would seem a bit odd for Bahamut, who goes to great lengths to make sure that those who take up his cause do so willingly, to exclude Warforged for something entirely beyond their control.
I would definitely allow Dragonborn Warforged.
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Ghendar
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| | 07/24/2006 6:55 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by dagonet
I would definitely allow Dragonborn Warforged.
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Sure, why not? D&D 3.5 - Where ANYTHING is possible. Regardless of the silliness of it.
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I'm not picking on you Dag, just the system. [:)]
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Count Dooku
Commander
4636 Posts
New York
| | 07/24/2006 8:57 AM |
| I dont own Races of the Dragon yet....If the question is "can warforged change to dragonborn?"...Does that mean ANY race can becoem dragonborn?
What is a halfling or gnome did? Would the dragonborn be a small creature?...Or would they become a medium creature and look like the mini? | |
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Ghendar
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| | 07/24/2006 9:26 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by nycfarmkid
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Originally posted by Ghendar
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Originally posted by dagonet
I would definitely allow Dragonborn Warforged.
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Sure, why not? D&D 3.5 - Where ANYTHING is possible. Regardless of the silliness of it.
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I'm not picking on you Dag, just the system. [:)]
Now see, thats what i like about 3.5. It might be absurd, but you can have anything. From Troll wizards to pixie fighters. Its great for flavor.
One of the greatest things about 3.5 is the ability to do so much with it. One of the worst things about 3.5 is the ability to produce silly creations by piling on templates and such to make things that really make not much sense. Just a personal peave and it's up to the individual to determine what's silly and what's not. | |
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kestrel.ca
Underboss
1680 Posts
| | 07/24/2006 10:10 AM |
| Somethings up with the posts & replies. I'd swear that there were a different set of replies to the exact same post last night, including a reply by me. (Mostly warforged-hate)
And I agree with Dagonet; who are we to argue the choices of Lord Bahamut?
[Edit: actually the main topic was posted in both Maxminis & Hordelings, and that's where I replied to it initially. Way to play with my mind!] | |
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 07/24/2006 11:55 AM |
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Originally posted by Count Dooku
I dont own Races of the Dragon yet....If the question is "can warforged change to dragonborn?"...Does that mean ANY race can becoem dragonborn?
What is a halfling or gnome did? Would the dragonborn be a small creature?...Or would they become a medium creature and look like the mini?
The dragonborn would be small. They actually have a picture where and they have several creatures of different sizes and to point out the idea that you can still see the original race. And yes, technically any race can become dragonborn, but not every race would. While there is no race requirement, you do lose a lot to become dragonborn. Any character would lose most of their racial traits while still retaining any penalties like level adjustment so while they didn't restrict it to just the PC races, effectively that whose going to take it the most.
Oh, and I'm also in the camp that loves the variety of 3.5. I was getting so tired of playing the same fighter, cleric, mage, etc it was getting downright boring. New campaigns are exciting now because there is so much I want to try out and have ien me a lot of fun roleplaying ideas. Now, not everything is appropriate to all games and DMs have and should control what is in a game (just because it is printed does not mean it has to be in a game, but variety is a good thing in the end. | |
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dagonet
Sergeant
442 Posts
| | 07/24/2006 12:51 PM |
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Originally posted by Ghendar
quote:
Originally posted by dagonet
I would definitely allow Dragonborn Warforged.
[rant]
Sure, why not? D&D 3.5 - Where ANYTHING is possible. Regardless of the silliness of it.
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I'm not picking on you Dag, just the system. [:)]
No problem, Ghendar, my personal pet peeve in 3.5 is the fuzzy math that allows for a monster to be a Half-Dragon, Half-Fiend, Half-Elemental. Too many halves!
As for a Warforged Dragonborn, I still say it makes good sense. One of the big things about the Warforged is that, as created beings, they're (typically) unsure of their place in the world, looking for a purpose, etc. And there are few classes/races more clearly defined than the Dragonborn. For a Warforged who doesn't particularly like itself, it would seem to be an ideal choice.
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Puggins
Sergeant
622 Posts
| | 07/24/2006 5:17 PM |
| | Warforged can absolutely be dragonborn, but the change is a LOT more severe than some posters seem to think. The only things that you maintain from your original form is your size, your attribute modifiers, your base movement speed and your favored class. EVERYTHING else is thrown out, including feats and prestige class abilities that require you to be a member of your former race. That means that the warforged loses ANY body feats, all his immunities, his plating and all his other attributes. Naturally, this makes a warforged a rather bad choice to become a Dragonborn. In essence, Bahamut is altering your form around your soul, and why wouldn't he be able to re-mold a warforged body, considering warforged are creatures with a soul? | |
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dagonet
Sergeant
442 Posts
| | 07/24/2006 10:14 PM |
| Just to play Tiamat's Adcovate here. . . Looking through Races of the Dragon, a GM could technically disallow a Dragonborn Warforged on the grounds that the Rebirth Ritual requires you to sleep, and since Warforged *can't* sleep. . . [}:)]
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Can of the Cave Beer
Commander
2838 Posts
| | 07/25/2006 10:06 PM |
| If my DM gave that to me as the reason why I couldn't become a Dragonborn, there would be one less player at the table.
That's just weak.
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Benimoto
Underboss
1125 Posts
| | 07/26/2006 12:31 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by dagonet
Just to play Tiamat's Adcovate here. . . Looking through Races of the Dragon, a GM could technically disallow a Dragonborn Warforged on the grounds that the Rebirth Ritual requires you to sleep, and since Warforged *can't* sleep. . . [}:)]
Cheers,
Dagonet
Neither can elves and there's examples of elven Dragonborn. | |
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orcmonk220
Underboss
1608 Posts
| | 07/26/2006 2:01 PM |
| | However, isn't an Elf's trance considered sleeping, as it gives the full effects of sleep? | |
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nyjastul69
Commander
2710 Posts
Rhode Island
| | 07/26/2006 2:06 PM |
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Originally posted by orcmonk220
However, isn't an Elf's trance considered sleeping, as it gives the full effects of sleep?
Not exactly. An elf who meditates for 4 hours still needs to rest their mind 4 more hours before preparing spells. | |
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orcmonk220
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dagonet
Sergeant
442 Posts
| | 07/26/2006 3:28 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Benimoto
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Originally posted by dagonet
Just to play Tiamat's Adcovate here. . . Looking through Races of the Dragon, a GM could technically disallow a Dragonborn Warforged on the grounds that the Rebirth Ritual requires you to sleep, and since Warforged *can't* sleep. . . [}:)]
Cheers,
Dagonet
Neither can elves and there's examples of elven Dragonborn.
Ooh, excellent logic-fu, there, Benimoto. [:D]
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