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GuJiaXian
Sergeant
652 Posts
    
Roswell, GA
 | | 10/17/2006 12:52 PM |
| I've been working with the SRD while at work, and just noticed that all references to illithid/mind flayers seem to be gone. They're not listed anywhere in the monster sections, and even the epic paragon template (which uses a paragon mind flayer as the example in the ELH) doesn't list them. Any ideas why? Are mind flayers not open source?
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salmander
Sneak
140 Posts
| | 10/17/2006 2:54 PM |
| I don't think they are.
Go here for another opinion
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 10/17/2006 3:36 PM |
| | You are correct. They are one of the few unique creatures in the MMI that WOTC decided not to put in the SRD. What's funny is that there are prestige classes that are worded to obviously reference mind flayers that are open. It makes for interesting reading. | |
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 10/17/2006 4:40 PM |
| | Some other ones that aren't OGL are the beholder and (somewhat oddly) the yuan-ti. | |
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GuJiaXian
Sergeant
652 Posts
Roswell, GA
| | 10/17/2006 6:56 PM |
| Anyone know why this is the case?
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"Clearly a case of too many hunchbacks and not enough mad scientists..." | |
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 10/17/2006 7:24 PM |
| | I think it's because these creatures really are unique to D&D. They may have influences from other places (the mind flayer is like a humanoid Cthulu), but I can't think of any other game, area, source where they have ever been before D&D. The other creatures are clearly derived from historical or literary sources that it makes sense to make them open source. While the rules are pen, nothing that has been distinctly WOTC intellectual property has been given to the public. | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4636 Posts
New York
| | 10/17/2006 8:09 PM |
| | Shows what I know...I thought everything in the 3 Core Rulebooks were OGL. | |
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GuJiaXian
Sergeant
652 Posts
Roswell, GA
| | 10/17/2006 9:19 PM |
| Posted By Count Dooku on 10/17/2006 8:09 PM
Shows what I know...I thought everything in the 3 Core Rulebooks were OGL.
Yeah, so did I, until now.
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 10/18/2006 7:58 AM |
| | It's funny, that way. I keep on wanting to think of it as "open source" like Linux and that community, but it really isn't. | |
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nyjastul69
Commander
2710 Posts
Rhode Island
| | 10/18/2006 8:10 AM |
| | WotC is pretty good about letting d20 co.'s use the core material that's not in the SRD. All you have to do is ask. At least that's the way it was when I was playtesting for MonkeyGod Ent. | |
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GuJiaXian
Sergeant
652 Posts
Roswell, GA
| | 10/18/2006 8:26 AM |
| | It's just frustrating to not have that information in front of me when I don't have my core books handy (when I'm at work, for example). | |
"Clearly a case of too many hunchbacks and not enough mad scientists..." | |
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nyjastul69
Commander
2710 Posts
Rhode Island
| | 10/18/2006 9:40 AM |
| Posted By GuJiaXian on 10/18/2006 8:26 AM
It's just frustrating to not have that information in front of me when I don't have my core books handy (when I'm at work, for example).
Agreed. I just went to the SRD for Umberhulk info, it's not there. | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4636 Posts
New York
| | 10/18/2006 9:45 AM |
| | Is there a list anywhere of what is in the Core Books but is NOT OGL? | |
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GuJiaXian
Sergeant
652 Posts
Roswell, GA
| | 10/18/2006 9:47 AM |
| So, what exactly are we missing?
Beholder
Mind Flayer/Illithid
Umber Hulk
Anything else?
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nyjastul69
Commander
2710 Posts
Rhode Island
| | 10/18/2006 10:19 AM |
| Posted By GuJiaXian on 10/18/2006 9:47 AM
So, what exactly are we missing?
Beholder
Mind Flayer/Illithid
Umber Hulk
Anything else?
A quick look turns up Carrion Crawler, Slaadi, and Displacer Beast. Specific monsters like the Troll Hunter and Frost Giant Jarl are missing as well.
Edit: Also, it should be noted that named spells have the name dropped, Mordenkainen and Tenser for example. | |
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GuJiaXian
Sergeant
652 Posts
Roswell, GA
| | 10/18/2006 10:32 AM |
| Posted By nyjastul69 on 10/18/2006 10:19 AM
Edit: Also, it should be noted that named spells have the name dropped, Mordenkainen and Tenser for example.
Isn't that technically in line with the Spell Compendium book? It's my understanding that WotC is moving away from "named" spells in order to keep them less campaign/setting-specific.
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10301 Posts
United States
| | 10/18/2006 4:16 PM |
| Once upon a time, I think with the first SRD, the mind flayers were in there. (At least I think it was them, maybe it was the yuan-ti.) Anyway, they've since been removed. I have a copy on a hard drive somewhere... It's not legal to use per the OGL, but, it's still fun to have.
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Frederyck
Sneak
133 Posts
Uppsala, Sweden
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 10/23/2006 5:32 PM |
| | Thanks. I thought there were fewer than that, but it's nice to see the whole list. | |
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Harneloot
Sergeant
575 Posts
| | 10/23/2006 7:21 PM |
| What? The Displacer Beast is too good to be on the SRD but the poor mailigned Blink Dog is ok to farm out?
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MerricB
Underboss
2350 Posts
Australia
| | 10/30/2006 5:42 PM |
| During the days of the "Gentleman's Agreement", mind flayers and other creatures were in the draft SRD. They were removed when it became official.
The removed creatures are distinctive in appearance - blink dogs are just dogs, but a displacer beast isn't just a cat.
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