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chrisman321 Warrior
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 | | 11/19/2006 12:32 PM |
|  I am a lvl 10 human fighter and I need the highest AC from armor I can get with 32,000 gp without reducing my speed, I have +3 dexterity, +3 AC from feats, see what you can do for me. You can also buy like gloves of dexterity or something too for the dex modifier, but not like bracers of armor. You can go over 32,000 also but only a couple thousand. It is ok to be creative too.
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| gss_000 Commander
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 Baltimore, MD
 | | 11/19/2006 12:41 PM |
| | What books are available to you? | | Completed trades: blackthorne, Drakkengi,Thorgrin, Ironfist Boulderbender x2, ckissee, nasamonkey, Username, Star, Ace13 x3, emontedodger x2, Drconveyor, church, Joeyb, Sir Bozak The Damned, Xeromod, the other guy x2, Qucalion of Celene, Dagaron x2, berus316, qillan_dvra, AshloreDarkShadow
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| chrisman321 Warrior
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 | | 11/19/2006 12:44 PM |
| | As in my race, class, or what exactly? Why does it matter? Im asking someone to tell me what items I should get and tell me what it does if I dont know. By the way, is there any way to buy something that gives you spell resistance? | | Completed Trades (11) My Trade List My Sell Thread My AC Thingie
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|  zenthrus Commander
 4592 Posts



 SLC, UT
 | | 11/19/2006 1:08 PM |
| You must have a substantially generous DM since total character wealth
at 8th level is typically 27,000 gp, of which no more than 13,500
should be devoted to a single item. I digress...
Within the
parameters you have specified (no speed restriction, 32,000gp) and
using the Core rulebooks (PHB, DMG) this is about the best you can do
is:
+4 Mithral Breastplate (+9 total AC) +3 Heavy Steel Shield (+5 total AC) and either Ring of Protection +1 OR Amulet of Natural Armor +1
Giving
a grand total of +15 AC (7 armor, 7 enhancement, 1 deflection (or 1
natural)) for 31,520gp with no loss of speed (Mithral Breastplate
counts as light armor). You'd have a net armor check penalty of -2 and
a maximum dex bonus of +6 (granted, Gloves of Dexterity +6 are beyond
the scope of your finances).
If this doesn't suit you, perhaps you could oblige us by specifying weapon selection/fighting style/etc.
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| gss_000 Commander
 3204 Posts



 Baltimore, MD
 | | 11/19/2006 2:37 PM |
| Posted By chrisman321 on 11/19/2006 12:44 PM As in my race, class, or what exactly? Why does it matter? Im asking someone to tell me what items I should get and tell me what it does if I dont know. By the way, is there any way to buy something that gives you spell resistance?
It matters because DMs do not always allow every book. It's not worth anyoe's time or effort to give a build if half the items are banned because the books are banned in your campaign.Â
In this case, zenthrus gave you a good build out of the DMG, a very handy book to do what you are asking. But again, if we have more information we can give you better options.
As to your last question, you can buy upgrades to your armor, which I feel aren't worth the price since the SR is so low, or a Mantle of Spell Resistance, which is way out of your price range. Again, all of these things are in the DMG.
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| chrisman321 Warrior
 308 Posts




 | | 11/19/2006 3:14 PM |
| | Oops, sorry I meant lvl 10 fighter, I also forgot to mention I am a two weapon fighter so I cant do with the shield. That money is all I have to spend, I have bought other stuff for weapons and magic items. Well I think I can use pretty much any book within reason of a human, pssst, my DM won't know or care that much unless it is too unfair so recommend me any type you want | | Completed Trades (11) My Trade List My Sell Thread My AC Thingie
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| chrisman321 Warrior
 308 Posts




 | | maijstral Underboss
 2105 Posts



 | | 11/19/2006 3:57 PM |
| If you don't care about armor check penalties then you can go with mithral full plate +4 and boots of striding and springing. Your speed won't change, -10 for the armor but +10 for the boots and you still get your full +3 dex bonus.
Mithral Full Plate +4: +12 to AC 26650 gps boots of stride/spring: 5500 gps
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| chrisman321 Warrior
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 | | 11/19/2006 4:31 PM |
| | Nah, thats the thing, I already got boots of striding and springing and I want to keep it at 40 speed so that is why I said without reducing my speed. | | Completed Trades (11) My Trade List My Sell Thread My AC Thingie
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| yack Commander
 3129 Posts



 Ottawa, Canada
 | | 11/19/2006 5:25 PM |
| I agree with Z on this except as you stated because of the 2 weapons you will have to cancel out the shield which will drop you. You could then just bumped up the magic item (ring or amulet) but not both because they do not stack. I'm not at my books right now to do the math to figure out what can fit in the xp. I'll have to get back to ya. | | Champion of the Peryton Vindicated Champion : Pit Fiend, Devourer ATG: Fog Giant DW: Duergar Priest RPG Only!!!! The Drumming Drunkn' DM | |
| chrisman321 Warrior
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 | | gss_000 Commander
 3204 Posts



 Baltimore, MD
 | | 11/19/2006 8:04 PM |
| You might want to think of taking Improved Buckler Defense as a feat. Then for a -1 penalty to all attacks, you can have a shield and improve this build.
If you don't want a shield, you can get a +2 bump to AC with the 9000 you save by getting a Dusty Rose Pism Ioun Stone (+1 insight bonus to AC) and Gloves of Dex +2. Are you going Dervish, which is why you want no movement penalties? | | Completed trades: blackthorne, Drakkengi,Thorgrin, Ironfist Boulderbender x2, ckissee, nasamonkey, Username, Star, Ace13 x3, emontedodger x2, Drconveyor, church, Joeyb, Sir Bozak The Damned, Xeromod, the other guy x2, Qucalion of Celene, Dagaron x2, berus316, qillan_dvra, AshloreDarkShadow
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| Star Sergeant
 978 Posts



 New Britain, CT
 | | 11/19/2006 10:59 PM |
| Warning - possible munchkin answer forthcoming.
I always go with Dastana from the Arms and Equipment Guide (when I'm allowed to get away with it).
Dastana - This pair of metal bracers in addition to some other types of armor to provide an additional armor bonus that stacks with both the foundation armor and any shield worn. You can wear dastana with padded, leather or chain shirt armor. You need the Armor Proficiency (light) feat to wear dastana without penalty.
Dastana 25GP/+1 Armor Bonus/0 Max Dex/-1 Armor Check/ 5% Arcane Failure/5lb
So. I would go with:
+3 Mithral Chain Shirt +3 Buckler (using Imp. Bucker Defense as gss_000 said) +3 Dastana
Total Cost = 28,440 GP Total Bonus to AC = +15 Armor Check penalty = 0 Normal movement Max Dex = +6 | | Champion of Gromph Baenre | |
| chrisman321 Warrior
 308 Posts




 | | Star Sergeant
 978 Posts



 New Britain, CT
 | | 11/20/2006 5:34 AM |
| | You should consider taking Dervish. True you won't get the buckler's bonus to your AC while you're dancing - but you won't always be dancing. The cool thing about Dervish is that you get all of your attacks on your enemy then move away. The enemy then has to move up to you and only get's one attack. You're worried about AC. The best AC is not stading there and taking all of your enemies attacks. You said you were going to be a two weapon fighter. If you're using scimitars and don't take Dervish - at least one level - you're crazy. | | Champion of Gromph Baenre | |
| gss_000 Commander
 3204 Posts



 Baltimore, MD
 | | 11/20/2006 7:45 AM |
| | And if I remember correctly you get a bonsu to AC when you move, can take 10 on tumble checks even in combat, movement increase, and thousand cuts. If you can make all the requirements it's a neat build. | | Completed trades: blackthorne, Drakkengi,Thorgrin, Ironfist Boulderbender x2, ckissee, nasamonkey, Username, Star, Ace13 x3, emontedodger x2, Drconveyor, church, Joeyb, Sir Bozak The Damned, Xeromod, the other guy x2, Qucalion of Celene, Dagaron x2, berus316, qillan_dvra, AshloreDarkShadow
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|  zenthrus Commander
 4592 Posts



 SLC, UT
 | | 11/20/2006 9:49 AM |
| For the two-weapon fighter.....
First, take Improved Buckler Defence (-1 to attacks, retain buckler's AC) and Shield Specialization (increase shield's AC bonus by 1).
Next, since the Arms and Equipment Guide is the most frequently disallowed supplement (combination of 3.0 and lots o' broken stuff), this is based on PHB, DMB, and PH2.
+4 Mithral Breastplate 20350 +3 Buckler 9165 Amulet of Natural Armor +1 2000
31,515 gp
+5 armor, +2 shield, +7 enhancement, +1 natural = +15 AC
Spend whatever remains on potions of Shield of Faith (+2 deflection bonus to AC for 10 rounds = 50gp) and Cat's Grace (+4 Dex (meaning +2 AC) for 30 rounds = 300gp).
Pop a pair of potions and you've got a 32 AC for 10 rounds (taking the +3 AC from feats you mentioned).
As to other considerations....Dervish is a good Prestige option. Also, take a level of Barbarian. No reason not to (you don't lose BAB) and you gain an additional 10 feet of movement (speed 50). Then swap out the barbarian rage ability for Whirling Frenzy alternate (Unearthed Arcana) for +4 Str, +2 dodge AC, and +2 on saves.
Grand total of cheeze = 50ft speed, 34 AC  | | Knight Warlord a.k.a. Commander (#32) in only 6 months. Where's my pie? Champion of Dwarven Thunderlashers Knight of the Large Dire Chicken Have/Want List Trade References | |
| Star Sergeant
 978 Posts



 New Britain, CT
 | | 11/20/2006 9:55 AM |
| The bonus to AC is nice - will offset not getting the buckler AC when you're dancing a little bit. Taking 10 on tumble and the movement increase seems to fit the character concept as well.
But the best part of Dervish is that you get all of your attacks and move away. Your ememy has to move to hit you and only gets one attack. Taking away your enemies secondary attacks is better than a high AC (though there's no reason not to also have a high AC). | | Champion of Gromph Baenre | |
| Star Sergeant
 978 Posts



 New Britain, CT
 | | 11/20/2006 9:59 AM |
| Posted By zenthrus on 11/20/2006 9:49 AM
Next, since the Arms and Equipment Guide is the most frequently disallowed supplement (combination of 3.0 and lots o' broken stuff), this is based on PHB, DMB, and PH2.
I warned that my post may be munchkin like - and specified "If you can get away with it". 
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| gss_000 Commander
 3204 Posts



 Baltimore, MD
 | | 11/20/2006 12:04 PM |
| That's the reason I asked about the banned books. These are nice builds, BTW. I feel that high AC builds only pay off at high levels since you never really have the resources to get past the to hits even at this level. But then again...
I'm trying to do the same for an epic campaign I might be in, with at least level 30 characters. So far I think if I remember correctly I can get to the 80's or 90's, but it takes a lot of classes (Half Elf aragon, Human Paragon, Stoneblessed, Deepwarden, Dwarven Defender, and then maybe Monk) and almost all my feats an money dedicated to this. It means I can't really hit things well, but it's going to be hard to hit me, which I like. | | Completed trades: blackthorne, Drakkengi,Thorgrin, Ironfist Boulderbender x2, ckissee, nasamonkey, Username, Star, Ace13 x3, emontedodger x2, Drconveyor, church, Joeyb, Sir Bozak The Damned, Xeromod, the other guy x2, Qucalion of Celene, Dagaron x2, berus316, qillan_dvra, AshloreDarkShadow
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| chrisman321 Warrior
 308 Posts




 | | 11/20/2006 1:57 PM |
| | I dont use double scimitars, hah, I use double Flaming Bastard swords. The best one I have seen so far is Zenthrus' second post, its just great. More ideas are welcome and Zenthrus, one question: what would my AC be without the potions or temporaral stuff you mentioned? So like the Armor, Shield, Dodge, Feats, and whatever else stuff that are my regular AC (except dodge, but include it anyways). Would it be like 32 or 30 AC maybe? Whats the enchantment thing you mentioned with the +7? | | Completed Trades (11) My Trade List My Sell Thread My AC Thingie
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| warty_nosed_goblin Underboss
 1384 Posts




 | | 11/20/2006 3:31 PM |
| Posted By zenthrus on 11/20/2006 9:49 AM For the two-weapon fighter..... First, take Improved Buckler Defence (-1 to attacks, retain buckler's AC) and Shield Specialization (increase shield's AC bonus by 1). Next, since the Arms and Equipment Guide is the most frequently disallowed supplement (combination of 3.0 and lots o' broken stuff), this is based on PHB, DMB, and PH2. +4 Mithral Breastplate 20350 +3 Buckler 9165 Amulet of Natural Armor +1 2000 31,515 gp +5 armor, +2 shield, +7 enhancement, +1 natural = +15 AC Spend whatever remains on potions of Shield of Faith (+2 deflection bonus to AC for 10 rounds = 50gp) and Cat's Grace (+4 Dex (meaning +2 AC) for 30 rounds = 300gp). Pop a pair of potions and you've got a 32 AC for 10 rounds (taking the +3 AC from feats you mentioned). As to other considerations....Dervish is a good Prestige option. Also, take a level of Barbarian. No reason not to (you don't lose BAB) and you gain an additional 10 feet of movement (speed 50). Then swap out the barbarian rage ability for Whirling Frenzy alternate (Unearthed Arcana) for +4 Str, +2 dodge AC, and +2 on saves. Grand total of cheeze = 50ft speed, 34 AC  That's a very nicely minmax'd design. One possible improvement would be to loose the buckler, since the to-hit penalty for two non-light weapons is fairly stiff, and another -1 will drop damage by ~5%.
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| yack Commander
 3129 Posts



 Ottawa, Canada
 | | 11/20/2006 4:36 PM |
| Z option is pretty good.. better than what i would give as I don't use Prestige classes... hahaha. Thats one powerful pc. | | Champion of the Peryton Vindicated Champion : Pit Fiend, Devourer ATG: Fog Giant DW: Duergar Priest RPG Only!!!! The Drumming Drunkn' DM | |
| chrisman321 Warrior
 308 Posts




 | | gss_000 Commander
 3204 Posts



 Baltimore, MD
 | | 11/20/2006 7:01 PM |
| Relax. Sometimes it takes a bit to answer. 
The enchantment is the enhancement bonus totals from the shield and the armor (3+4 =7). | | Completed trades: blackthorne, Drakkengi,Thorgrin, Ironfist Boulderbender x2, ckissee, nasamonkey, Username, Star, Ace13 x3, emontedodger x2, Drconveyor, church, Joeyb, Sir Bozak The Damned, Xeromod, the other guy x2, Qucalion of Celene, Dagaron x2, berus316, qillan_dvra, AshloreDarkShadow
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| chrisman321 Warrior
 308 Posts




 | | 11/20/2006 7:37 PM |
| | Yeah, I getcha now. You guys don't need to worry about my Attack bonus, my strongest one is like +17 even after the subtraction. Tight, thanks a lot guys, I will also be posting additional questions here and keep you updated on my pc. One more thing, what is my regular AC with the dodge bonus but without the potions? | | Completed Trades (11) My Trade List My Sell Thread My AC Thingie
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|  zenthrus Commander
 4592 Posts



 SLC, UT
 | | 11/21/2006 11:41 PM |
| Posted By chrisman321 on 11/20/2006 7:37 PM Yeah, I getcha now. You guys don't need to worry about my Attack bonus, my strongest one is like +17 even after the subtraction. Tight, thanks a lot guys, I will also be posting additional questions here and keep you updated on my pc. One more thing, what is my regular AC with the dodge bonus but without the potions? Regular AC should be 31 (+7 enhancement, +5 armor, +2 shield, +1 natural, +3 Dex, +3 Misc. Feats +10 base). Flat-footed AC = 28 (or 25 depending on the wording of the feats granting extra AC) Touch AC = 23 (shield, armor, and natural bonuses don't apply)
Seems I miscalculated a bit in my previous post. With Shield of Faith potion AC = 33. Add a Cat's Grace potion AC = 35. With Whirling Frenzy AC = 37.
For extra-cheesiness, skip the barbarian level and pick up Combat Expertise (extra-cheese). Drop 5 points off your attacks (still leaving you presumably a +11 on your strongest attack) and crank your AC to 36 (no potions) or 40 (Shield of Faith + Cat's Grace).
Fire Giants (CR 10) would only have a 5% chance to hit (must roll a 20) if your AC is cranked to 40. Noble Salamanders (CR 10) would have a 15% chance to hit (must roll 18-20) on their first attack and 5% (the minimum) after that. Conversely, even if you're cranked down to a +11 attack bonus, you'll be hitting them ~40% of the time.
Nice thing about this build is you are only relying on the PHB/DMG and two splatbook feats (Improved Buckler Defense and Shield Specialization). Makes it easy to convince the DM.
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| gss_000 Commander
 3204 Posts



 Baltimore, MD
 | | 11/22/2006 1:03 PM |
| I don't have my MMI, so Zenthrus could you do the same analysis with CR 13-14 creatures? That is more likely an opponent for a party of level 10 characters.
Oh, and there is Improved Expertise now, which lets you pull up to your BAB and add it to your AC. I can't remember if there is a level restriction or not, again, I have no books right now. | | Completed trades: blackthorne, Drakkengi,Thorgrin, Ironfist Boulderbender x2, ckissee, nasamonkey, Username, Star, Ace13 x3, emontedodger x2, Drconveyor, church, Joeyb, Sir Bozak The Damned, Xeromod, the other guy x2, Qucalion of Celene, Dagaron x2, berus316, qillan_dvra, AshloreDarkShadow
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| chrisman321 Warrior
 308 Posts




 | | gss_000 Commander
 3204 Posts



 Baltimore, MD
 | | 11/22/2006 5:56 PM |
| You are better off with Improved Buckler. I believe those two feats give you a shield bonus, but you can get a higher bonus from just one feat and the buckler after you upgrade it with money, which is better. You can use the feats for other things.
As for your question, look at what kind of bonus they give you. If the bonus is a shield bonus or even a deflection, then it is counted in your flat footed AC as long as you have the swords in hands. No swords, no defense. But since I don't have the books with me with the feat, there may be an extra condition, like the bonus only applies to foes you are engaging in melee, like the Two Sword Style feat form the FRCS.
By the way, does your DM have a copy of the books with these things that we're talking about in them? From your quesions it seems you don't have them because a lot of your questions can be answered from then and the PHB, which is fine, but you're probably going to want a version of these things that you can reference when you need to. | | Completed trades: blackthorne, Drakkengi,Thorgrin, Ironfist Boulderbender x2, ckissee, nasamonkey, Username, Star, Ace13 x3, emontedodger x2, Drconveyor, church, Joeyb, Sir Bozak The Damned, Xeromod, the other guy x2, Qucalion of Celene, Dagaron x2, berus316, qillan_dvra, AshloreDarkShadow
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| chrisman321 Warrior
 308 Posts




 | | 11/22/2006 7:04 PM |
| | Yeah, my DM has them, I just dont have them with me right now so I have to ask the questions here because we meet once a week, but we have been busy lately so haven't met for like 2 1/2 weeks. | | Completed Trades (11) My Trade List My Sell Thread My AC Thingie
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|  zenthrus Commander
 4592 Posts



 SLC, UT
 | | 11/22/2006 10:29 PM |
| Posted By gss_000 on 11/22/2006 1:03 PM I
don't have my MMI, so Zenthrus could you do the same analysis with CR
13-14 creatures? That is more likely an opponent for a party of level
10 characters.
We'll use everyone's favorite critter....the (CR13) Iron Golem 
With a 36 AC an Iron Golem will hit you 40% of the time (needs to roll
13-20). With a 40AC an Iron Golem will hit you 20% of the time (must
roll 17-20).
With a +11 attack bonus you will hit an Iron Golem 10% of the time (must roll 19-20).
Another example is the Gelugon (aka Ice Devil CR 13).
With a 36 AC a Gelugon has a 25% chance to hit (16 or higher) on its
first attack and a 5% chance on its secondary attacks (20 only). With a
40AC a Gelugon has a 5% chance to hit (20 only).
With a +11 attack bonus you'll be hitting back 5% of the time (20 only).
Â
CR 14 monsters just get uglier. While you'll consistently hit a Truly
Horrid Umber Hulk (50% chance with a +11 attack bonus), it will hit you
regularly (55% chance against AC 36, 35% chance against AC 40). You'd
also better be hitting very hard to chisel away its ~300 hp.
This just goes to illustrate the fact that lots of hit points (i.e.
Improved Toughness) are substantially better than high AC at higher
levels.
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| chrisman321 Warrior
 308 Posts




 | | 11/23/2006 8:33 AM |
| | Wow, but that is just me by myself. I will have the rest of my party with me so it will make it easier, by the way I have like 120 HP so that is moderately high due to Improved Toughness and stuff like that. | | Completed Trades (11) My Trade List My Sell Thread My AC Thingie
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| chrisman321 Warrior
 308 Posts




 | | 11/23/2006 8:33 AM |
| | Wow, but that is just me by myself. I will have the rest of my party with me so it will make it easier, by the way I have like 120 HP so that is moderately high due to Improved Toughness and stuff like that. | | Completed Trades (11) My Trade List My Sell Thread My AC Thingie
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| gss_000 Commander
 3204 Posts



 Baltimore, MD
 | | 11/23/2006 2:33 PM |
| | Thanks for the analysis. In Living Greyhawk, where feat and magic item access is limited, I'm palying a character (Fighter 5 / Occult Slayer 3) that I'm trying to improve his AC. This makes me think it might be a fools game for the next few levels until a) I get more money and access and b) I can get it high enough that creatures won't as easily hit it. | | Completed trades: blackthorne, Drakkengi,Thorgrin, Ironfist Boulderbender x2, ckissee, nasamonkey, Username, Star, Ace13 x3, emontedodger x2, Drconveyor, church, Joeyb, Sir Bozak The Damned, Xeromod, the other guy x2, Qucalion of Celene, Dagaron x2, berus316, qillan_dvra, AshloreDarkShadow
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| chrisman321 Warrior
 308 Posts




 | | 11/23/2006 2:34 PM |
| Posted By gss_000 on 11/22/2006 5:56 PM You are better off with Improved Buckler. I believe those two feats give you a shield bonus, but you can get a higher bonus from just one feat and the buckler after you upgrade it with money, which is better. You can use the feats for other things.
As for your question, look at what kind of bonus they give you. If the bonus is a shield bonus or even a deflection, then it is counted in your flat footed AC as long as you have the swords in hands. No swords, no defense. But since I don't have the books with me with the feat, there may be an extra condition, like the bonus only applies to foes you are engaging in melee, like the Two Sword Style feat form the FRCS.
By the way, does your DM have a copy of the books with these things that we're talking about in them? From your quesions it seems you don't have them because a lot of your questions can be answered from then and the PHB, which is fine, but you're probably going to want a version of these things that you can reference when you need to.
So I cant get the +3 AC from feats that i mentioned? So wouldn't my armor class be dropped down 3 notches? And also my DM says that touch AC is just 10 plus your dexterity and flat-footed AC is your AC without dexterity. Since I have no books, could you say what is really is? | | Completed Trades (11) My Trade List My Sell Thread My AC Thingie
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| gss_000 Commander
 3204 Posts



 Baltimore, MD
 | | 11/23/2006 5:45 PM |
| I don't have the books here either (I'm away from them for the holiday), but I'll do the best I can without them.
It all depends what type of bonus it is. Different bonuses from differentt sources stack. So for instance armor bonus to AC (from armor) stacks with natural armor bonus (from an amulet) and stacks with a shield bonus (from a shield), etc. If two items provide the same bonus, they don't stack, instead you take the highest. The only exception is a dodge bonus, which always adds to AC no matter from how many sources and why there are very few sources of dodge bonuses. In your case, you have to see what the type of bonus the feats provide. If they provide a shield bonus, you cannot add them to the AC provided by a shield. So if I'm remembering correctly (which I might not be doing) you would lose probably the AC from the feats with this build since you have a better shield bonus from the buckler. The builds described would not be affected because your feats are not added.
Now for your other questions. Deflection bonus is added to your touch AC. Shield, armor, and natural armor bonus is not added. Your DM is right on what flat footed AC is, but there are sometimes exceptions. For instance, the AC from the dodge feat can't be active when you are flat footed. If there are instances like this, it will be in the description of the feats or abilities. | | Completed trades: blackthorne, Drakkengi,Thorgrin, Ironfist Boulderbender x2, ckissee, nasamonkey, Username, Star, Ace13 x3, emontedodger x2, Drconveyor, church, Joeyb, Sir Bozak The Damned, Xeromod, the other guy x2, Qucalion of Celene, Dagaron x2, berus316, qillan_dvra, AshloreDarkShadow
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| chrisman321 Warrior
 308 Posts




 | | 11/24/2006 10:12 AM |
| | Ok, that makes more sense now, but when you have access to your books again, could you check it for me to make sure? Because I dont have my books with me either, hah. | | Completed Trades (11) My Trade List My Sell Thread My AC Thingie
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| gss_000 Commander
 3204 Posts



 Baltimore, MD
 | | 11/24/2006 2:15 PM |
| Well, I forgot I had downloaded a PDF with all the feats. There is a great site called Crystal Keep which has shorthand versions of most of the feats, races, pclasses, templates, etc. It'll be invaluable to you since you don't have the books but are interested in builds. Go to:
http://www.crystalkeep.com/d20/index.php
Anyways, those two feats give shield bonus to AC and you have to wield them to get the bonus. So you can only have those or a buckler, not both at the same time, since they give the same type of bonus. You'll need to choose which is better for you. You'll save money with the feats, but you could use those slots for other things if you want. | | Completed trades: blackthorne, Drakkengi,Thorgrin, Ironfist Boulderbender x2, ckissee, nasamonkey, Username, Star, Ace13 x3, emontedodger x2, Drconveyor, church, Joeyb, Sir Bozak The Damned, Xeromod, the other guy x2, Qucalion of Celene, Dagaron x2, berus316, qillan_dvra, AshloreDarkShadow
For further info go to My Reference Thread and Trade Interface
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